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'And we won't do any management changes for the foreseeable future'. (Which isn't usually that long, oddly)


Does Life360 include an ankle monitor? I jest. I was abnormal apparently. As a new driver, I had a respect for the laws of physics, and though I 'drove fast', I never had an incident until an 80 year-old woman tried to turn in front of me, and I swerved and hit a mailbox. I did hit patch ice and end up in a ditch, so that gave me a razor sharp respect for winter driving too. But so many kids die testing those laws of physics, and I don't know if anything would be able to stop that happening. But monitoring your children like they are on house arrest is rather draconian, to me.

Yeah, I haven't had kids, but if you have to be able to monitor them 24x7, why let them out of the house. I'm in favor of delaying driver training and getting a license, which angers many, but if your kids can't handle it at 17, make it 20. It might save lives. And parents that start training early would seem to have a leg up on having kids that survive their first 5 years of driving.

Maybe there should be a cheap car for parents to buy for their kids. Something like the Datsun I had for years. It *could* do 65, but it had to be down hill, with a tail wind. I heard of a classmate of my brother's whose brain dead parents bought her a Pontiac GTO muscle car. They might as well have bought her an AK47 and armor piercing bullets, or a bazooka. Talk about idiotic parental behavior. But, like I said, I was abnormal as a kid. I had a healthy respect for pain, and tried to avoid it as much as I could. I saw too many classmates and others at the school end up maimed, or dead, because of stupidity.

But stupid kids... One mother, in the town I went to college, was watching the news on a TV in their break room as she was getting ready to start her day after arriving, and there was a 'breaking news' flash about a car crash. The idiot local station showed the back of the car, sticking out of a grove of trees, and didn't block out the license plate. It was her car. Her son had dropped her off, and was going to school. The car was filled with other kids, and flew off a railroad crossing, bounced down the road, and missed a corner. All in the car died. 8 kids. Her son was at the wheel, showing off. That railroad crossing was well known. Stupid human tricks. Spoiled kid. Wanting to show off. But monitoring her offspring wasn't likely to have stopped that from happening. What a horrific incident. Realizing your kid is an idiot and shouldn't have a license is saving so much time and agony. Give them a car that couldn't do 60 on a dare. *shrug*
Bolded the only thing you said that matters. Interesting you think this post means they are monitored 24/7. This kid is in college. There are 0 kids I have ever seen that make 100% good decisions at 18 years old.
 
Life360: for when you're such a helicopter parent that the free live location/tracking feature built in to iOS isn't good enough so you're willing to pay a monthly fee for basically the same thing to a company with creepy TOS.
How many kids do you have. Funny but life360 doesn't have a fee. Even if it did I woudl pay it. I make enough money I don't worry about monthly fees. When you do have kids you can raise them any way you want but I can say this. All 3 have fully funded college funds ($300K each) and already over $100K in investment accounts for each (age 18, 16, and 10) so I would say we seem to be doing a better job getting them ready for the real world than 99.9% of people.
 
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How is that better, or even different, than Find My?
Notifications that they have reached where they are going. Open app and it lists where everyone is on one map. Shows the speed they are moving at, shows what % their battery is at, etc.

Honestly it is a really solid app. Many times we have used it when our kid was driving to navigate them in confusing areas or where we are when they are coming to meet us.
 
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If you think you’re getting you phone back if you’ve lost it that’s a stretch. That’s going straight to the black market. If you’re lucky 3 times out of 10 you get your phone back.
Black market to sell a brick? If iCloud and Find My is set up properly on that iPhone, it's useless to sell except for parts so might as well give it back to the owner (if you found it)
 
This app is big enough to acquire Tile or Tile is small enough to be bought by an app maker?
 
How is that better, or even different, than Find My?
You can define places, school, home, hairdressers - whatever you choose.
You can then define alerts when certain members of your circle enter or leave.

You get to see your driving history for a week. Routes, speed etc.

As much as I love Apple, they're not the best at everything!!
 
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To all of you using Tile and Life360… how’s your phone battery life? These two apps always run in the background and suck the life of any phone.
Why use Tile with a very limited network of phones with the same app installed (only way it works!) and why use Life360 which is piggybacking on basic iOS features available for free?
You’re being scammed!
What a stupid comment.

There are features available in Life360 that are not available in IOS for free, you're assuming nobody is as intelligent as yourself and makes their own informed decisions right?

I've used Life360 for years and my battery life is fine.

I'll let you know my next app that I intend to download and you can use your superior intelligence to verify if I can obtain the same productivity for free somewhere in IOS - I'll be in touch. ?
 
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Notifications that they have reached where they are going. Open app and it lists where everyone is on one map. Shows the speed they are moving at, shows what % their battery is at, etc.

Honestly it is a really solid app. Many times we have used it when our kid was driving to navigate them in confusing areas or where we are when they are coming to meet us.
I really don't know why people are so intent on knocking something.
If you don't want to use it then don't, but why feel the need to constantly criticise someone who does.

I'm like you, used it for years and it's fantastic.
Don't pay any monthly fee, have 3 defined places and we use it for myself, my wife, 2 teenage boy and my mother and father-in-law.
 
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Sleezy when done as a form of control or manipulation - I agree.

When done transparently as part of a caring relationship it a great way to help kids feel safer.

Safer? From what? It violates their privacy and teaches them that they can't be trusted, and that it's okay for *someone* to be tracking them. I mean, sure, my brother needed a leash as a kid in the grocery, but to warp his brain with the idea that *someone* has to track him 'for his safety', os just too damned Orwellian for me... It's like the kooks that say that beating your kids is 'for their own good'. No, that too is a violation of their person-hood, their psyche, their humanity.

You either can, or you can't trust them, and if 24x7 tracking and monitoring makes you 'feel safer', what the heck does it do to the poor kid? I joked about putting manacles on the wall of the basement if my kid proved to be untrustworthy, and I joked about it. (Again, I never had kids) But would I chip my kid? Would I want to put something on or in them that could be used by others to track them as well? I find the whole idea so morally, ethically, and everythingly repugnant! HOLY CRAP!!! That's putting 'helicopter parenting' on gigantic steroids...
Bolded the only thing you said that matters. Interesting you think this post means they are monitored 24/7. This kid is in college. There are 0 kids I have ever seen that make 100% good decisions at 18 years old.

You are monitoring an adult? Isn't that illegal? It's stalking, or something worse. If it is 18, you are no longer responsible for the child you created. To continue monitoring them is just sick IMO. My parents told me 'You are on your own. We are no longer responsible for you, or what you do. Be careful, and be safe.'
 
Safer? From what? It violates their privacy and teaches them that they can't be trusted, and that it's okay for *someone* to be tracking them. I mean, sure, my brother needed a leash as a kid in the grocery, but to warp his brain with the idea that *someone* has to track him 'for his safety', os just too damned Orwellian for me... It's like the kooks that say that beating your kids is 'for their own good'. No, that too is a violation of their person-hood, their psyche, their humanity.

You either can, or you can't trust them, and if 24x7 tracking and monitoring makes you 'feel safer', what the heck does it do to the poor kid? I joked about putting manacles on the wall of the basement if my kid proved to be untrustworthy, and I joked about it. (Again, I never had kids) But would I chip my kid? Would I want to put something on or in them that could be used by others to track them as well? I find the whole idea so morally, ethically, and everythingly repugnant! HOLY CRAP!!! That's putting 'helicopter parenting' on gigantic steroids...


You are monitoring an adult? Isn't that illegal? It's stalking, or something worse. If it is 18, you are no longer responsible for the child you created. To continue monitoring them is just sick IMO. My parents told me 'You are on your own. We are no longer responsible for you, or what you do. Be careful, and be safe.'
Well the fact that I write a check for about $70,000 a year means that no it isn't illegal. Again you think that when a kid magically turns 18 you are somehow not responsible for your child anymore? That's cute. And no I don't trust any 18 year old in the world. Seems as if your goal is to ge them to 18 and then wash your hand of them. By all means certainly your choice. I'm willing to bet that our parenting has put my kids in a better position to succeed in life. My children are learning that when you are beholden to another for support that support has conditions. Something I was taught as well.

I also see your parents told you when you are 18 you are on your own. At what age did you hit your first million in net worth? How about your second million? Your third? Well I am far past all three of those milestones. The reason is that my parents continued to parent and guide me well past 18.
 
I really don't know why people are so intent on knocking something.
If you don't want to use it then don't, but why feel the need to constantly criticise someone who does.

I'm like you, used it for years and it's fantastic.
Don't pay any monthly fee, have 3 defined places and we use it for myself, my wife, 2 teenage boy and my mother and father-in-law.
You pretty much use it like we do. You have to chuckle at posters who think 18 is some magic number where teenagers go from being teenagers to somehow responsible adults who can run the world.
 
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Well the fact that I write a check for about $70,000 a year means that no it isn't illegal. Again you think that when a kid magically turns 18 you are somehow not responsible for your child anymore? That's cute. And no I don't trust any 18 year old in the world. Seems as if your goal is to ge them to 18 and then wash your hand of them. By all means certainly your choice. I'm willing to bet that our parenting has put may kids in a better position to succeed in life. My children are learning that when you are beholden to another for support that support has conditions. Something I was taught as well.

I also see your parents told you when you are 18 you are on your own. At what age did you hit your first million in net worth? How about your second million? Your third? Well I am far past all three of those milestones. The reason is that my parents continued to parent and guide me past 18.

You misstate what I said, and perhaps I could have said it better. They didn't wash their hands, but stated the fact that I really was 'on my own'. I could make my own mistakes, legally. I could sign contracts, I could really negatively effect my life. They didn't stop caring, which you seem to claim is your goal/right. Stalking isn't caring, it's controlling. 'My children are learning that when you are beholden to another for support that support has conditions'. So, what are your conditions? Your children are learning, either overtly or covertly that people stalking them, out of a weird concept of 'caring' is fine, and that *someone* has that right to violate their life. When does the control stop? I knew someone whose parents controlled and influenced their life. They were in their late 20's. They couldn't date without getting approval. They couldn't go to a college their parents didn't approve of. They were 'smothered in caring', so yes, 'caring' can be toxic, 'caring' can be suffocating, 'caring' can be sick and depraved. Stalking kids 'for their own good' is just bizarre IMO... Putting a tracker on a pet is of questionable benefit, but all of my pets are chipped, so if they do get lost, someone can hopefully help them find their way home, but they have never gotten loose and had to rely on that to get home. But the thought of 'chipping' a child? Of tracking them, in Orwellian fashion, that's just not on my list of permissible things a parent has a right to do. Children aren't pets. We are responsible for our pets until their life ends. Human children aren't pets...
 
You pretty much use it like we do. You have to chuckle at posters who think 18 is some magic number where teenagers go from being teenagers to somehow responsible adults who can run the world.

But legally 18 year olds ARE adults. A local family thought their kid should pay rent in their house, and then decided that they still had the right to search their room. They found out they forfeit that right, and were sued for trespassing on their child. 'But they are our child!' they bleated, in court. The judge had no mercy. 'They are an adult. You charged rent for their room, and that established a relationship based on renter/landlord law, and you violated that law when you entered their space and seized certain items. It was a wake up for the inept controlling parents who thought they had all the control. Even without the rent, there was a certain expectation of privacy for their adult child living at home. Yeah, they are an adult. Would you welcome tracking of another family member?

Would you welcome tracking of your person by anyone else? At some point, you have to trust your spawn to do the right thing. MONITORING and TRACKING them shows they are not capable of being trusted. That is a damaging thing to subject a human being to. I guess I'm glad to have come from a large family. My parents had a lot more to keep them occupied and didn't have to time to try to micromanage my and my sibs lives. They would have been very busy tracking all of us. What a waste of time...

But enough of this. Your relationship with your children is yours to ruin, or salvage. Tread carefully on their rights, and their person-hood. The smallest things can have the largest effects on their psyche, on the way they treat themselves...
 
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But legally 18 year olds ARE adults. A local family thought their kid should pay rent in their house, and then decided that they still had the right to search their room. They found out they forfeit that right, and were sued for trespassing on their child. 'But they are our child!' they bleated, in court. The judge had no mercy. 'They are an adult. You charged rent for their room, and that established a relationship based on renter/landlord law, and you violated that law when you entered their space and seized certain items. It was a wake up for the inept controlling parents who thought they had all the control. Even without the rent, there was a certain expectation of privacy for their adult child living at home. Yeah, they are an adult. Would you welcome tracking of another family member?

Would you welcome tracking of your person by anyone else? At some point, you have to trust your spawn to do the right thing. MONITORING and TRACKING them shows they are not capable of being trusted. That is a damaging thing to subject a human being to. I guess I'm glad to have come from a large family. My parents had a lot more to keep them occupied and didn't have to time to try to micromanage my and my sibs lives. They would have been very busy tracking all of us. What a waste of time...

But enough of this. Your relationship with your children is yours to ruin, or salvage. Tread carefully on their rights, and their person-hood. The smallest things can have the largest effects on their psyche, on the way they treat themselves...
My children are only 14 and 16 but we've discussed this functionality as a family and we all understand the benefits.
Our boys are happy that we know where they are, if they ever choose to not want to be tracked then I would respect that.
 
My children are only 14 and 16 but we've discussed this functionality as a family and we all understand the benefits.
Our boys are happy that we know where they are, if they ever choose to not want to be tracked then I would respect that.

You were up front, and that's good, but I still wonder the long term effect of tracking kids. It makes them buy in to the idea that it's a scary world out there. Instead of working for a better world, it seems many are doublign down on the madness, and feeding into the fear and hopelessness. The pendulum is swinging so fast to the wrong side. I don't know what the answer is, but holy crap, people are chipping their kids... I feel devastated. The world has gone mad... #FreeRangeKids? How to mess with their minds. What kind of future are we ensuring by this. :oops:
 
You were up front, and that's good, but I still wonder the long term effect of tracking kids. It makes them buy in to the idea that it's a scary world out there. Instead of working for a better world, it seems many are doublign down on the madness, and feeding into the fear and hopelessness. The pendulum is swinging so fast to the wrong side. I don't know what the answer is, but holy crap, people are chipping their kids... I feel devastated. The world has gone mad... #FreeRangeKids? How to mess with their minds. What kind of future are we ensuring by this. :oops:
People are not chipping their kids for god's sake. Calm yourself :)
 
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People are not chipping their kids for god's sake. Calm yourself :)

I realize that, but if people are putting 'trackers' on their kids, their clothes, or their tech, what is the operational difference? People that do that are 'figuratively' chipping their kids. In the end, it's the same thing. *Something* is tracking your kids, and *you* put it there. Meaning that *anyone* can also now track your kids. I had a Nike+ foot pod, and some creepy hacker figured out a way to track them, so, for those that do it, track your kids. Realize that you might not be the only people tracking them. THAT would freak me out. Did *I* just enable someone to track my kids too?
 
But legally 18 year olds ARE adults. A local family thought their kid should pay rent in their house, and then decided that they still had the right to search their room. They found out they forfeit that right, and were sued for trespassing on their child. 'But they are our child!' they bleated, in court. The judge had no mercy. 'They are an adult. You charged rent for their room, and that established a relationship based on renter/landlord law, and you violated that law when you entered their space and seized certain items. It was a wake up for the inept controlling parents who thought they had all the control. Even without the rent, there was a certain expectation of privacy for their adult child living at home. Yeah, they are an adult. Would you welcome tracking of another family member?

Would you welcome tracking of your person by anyone else? At some point, you have to trust your spawn to do the right thing. MONITORING and TRACKING them shows they are not capable of being trusted. That is a damaging thing to subject a human being to. I guess I'm glad to have come from a large family. My parents had a lot more to keep them occupied and didn't have to time to try to micromanage my and my sibs lives. They would have been very busy tracking all of us. What a waste of time...

But enough of this. Your relationship with your children is yours to ruin, or salvage. Tread carefully on their rights, and their person-hood. The smallest things can have the largest effects on their psyche, on the way they treat themselves...
First I would never charge my kid rent and I can't believe anyone would. You asked if I would welcome tracking of another family member. My answer is it depends on who it is. As for me being tracked I could not care less. When I hear people saying Apple tracks you or Company X tracks you my response is I couldn't care less. I don;'t go anywhere or do anything that I worry about nor am I that interesting that people would want to follow me for very long. You are correct that I don't trust my 18 year old spawn unequivocally as there is no 18 year old on Earth that I would trust unequivocally. As for your parents being too occupied that sounds like their issue. I run a couple hundred millions dollar division for a company which means I am very busy, and I find the time and effort to make sure I parent my children which does not stop at 18. As for your opinion on how I raise children, when you have none, your opinion is of no value to me.
 
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You were up front, and that's good, but I still wonder the long term effect of tracking kids. It makes them buy in to the idea that it's a scary world out there. Instead of working for a better world, it seems many are doublign down on the madness, and feeding into the fear and hopelessness. The pendulum is swinging so fast to the wrong side. I don't know what the answer is, but holy crap, people are chipping their kids... I feel devastated. The world has gone mad... #FreeRangeKids? How to mess with their minds. What kind of future are we ensuring by this. :oops:
Yes it is a scary world and a very hard world. This is why I make sure to be very involved and focused on making sure they have an exemplary future. My 10 year old has a net worth of about half a million at this point. My focus is to make sure they have enough money and intelligence to navigate the world so that when they are ready to make smart and responsible decisions they will be able to do anything they want. My kids are not scared of the world but they realize that they are held to a higher standard and responsibility measure that comes with the rewards they are able to access.

I do think it is funny that you think that people who use this app are watching it 24/7. The reality is the many I know that use this app use it from time to time to see if there kids got to where they needed to. Last week my middle child was supposed to pick my youngest up from school. My wife opened up the app about 5 minutes before he was supposed to be there and saw he was at my youngest's school. As for my oldest driving he was driving late at night to an area he had never been before. My wife opened up the app to see where he was and said she saw he was driving 85. Told him to slow down. He did and didn't achieve speeds that high after that.

I was on a flight a few weeks ago and my wife was able to see when I had landed and knew I would be home within 30 minutes. Made sure to make me something to eat as I walked in the door. Numerous other examples. BTW when my kid open the app they can also see where I am and where their mom is. You talk about trust but I know of very few adults who would "trust" their children to know where they are at all times.
 
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Yes it is a scary world and a very hard world. This is why I make sure to be very involved and focused on making sure they have an exemplary future. My 10 year old has a net worth of about half a million at this point. My focus is to make sure they have enough money and intelligence to navigate the world so that when they are ready to make smart and responsible decisions they will be able to do anything they want. My kids are not scared of the world but they realize that they are held to a higher standard and responsibility measure that comes with the rewards they are able to access.

I do think it is funny that you think that people who use this app are watching it 24/7. The reality is the many I know that use this app use it from time to time to see if there kids got to where they needed to. Last week my middle child was supposed to pick my youngest up from school. My wife opened up the app about 5 minutes before he was supposed to be there and saw he was at my youngest's school. As for my oldest driving he was driving late at night to an area he had never been before. My wife opened up the app to see where he was and said she saw he was driving 85. Told him to slow down. He did and didn't achieve speeds that high after that.

I was on a flight a few weeks ago and my wife was able to see when I had landed and knew I would be home within 30 minutes. Made sure to make me something to eat as I walked in the door. Numerous other examples. BTW when my kid open the app they can also see where I am and where their mom is. You talk about trust but I know of very few adults who woudl "trust" their children to know where they are at all times.
I love how we have to justify how we're using technology to help maintain the safety our our children and family.
As you said, I don't really care if Apple or Google track what I do or where I go, my life really isn't that interesting to anyone else, and as for ads, I prefer personalised ads, I'd much rather see ads for Macs or cameras than makeup :)

I may be at home and I can see my wife is 5 mins from home, I put the kettle on and as she walks through the door there's a steaming hot fresh cuppa waiting for her. How is that not great? ?
 
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How many kids do you have.
That's nobody's business here.
Funny but life360 doesn't have a fee. Even if it did I woudl pay it.
Weird how there's no mention of anything but paid membership plans on their web site.

I make enough money I don't worry about monthly fees.
You're a big Life360 fan and make enough money to not worry about monthly fees but you're using the apparently unadvertised free tier of their service? Weird.
When you do have kids you can raise them any way you want but I can say this. All 3 have fully funded college funds ($300K each) and already over $100K in investment accounts for each (age 18, 16, and 10)
Did you seriously completely invent a scenario in your head about me to compare your situation to in order to make yourself look like a big shot?
so I would say we seem to be doing a better job getting them ready for the real world than 99.9% of people.
Mine is pre-med on multiple full scholarships so is actually being paid to attend undergrad, no college funds or tracking required. :cool:
 
That's nobody's business here.

Weird how there's no mention of anything but paid membership plans on their web site.


You're a big Life360 fan and make enough money to not worry about monthly fees but you're using the apparently unadvertised free tier of their service? Weird.

Did you seriously completely invent a scenario in your head about me to compare your situation to in order to make yourself look like a big shot?

Mine is pre-med on multiple full scholarships so is actually being paid to attend undergrad, no college funds or tracking required. :cool:
1. Someone could have replied with some or none. My guess is none.
2. I, and another poster, already mentioned that neither of us pay for the service
3. I use the version that provides what I am looking for. it happens to be free. if it wasn't free I would pay for it.
4. No scenario. I simply posted facts about my current situation
5. Sure he/she is.
 
You're a big Life360 fan and make enough money to not worry about monthly fees but you're using the apparently unadvertised free tier of their service? Weird.

Not weird at all. I worked for a company that charged their clients upwards of $200 per hour and yet continuously used the free tier of a utility that was very instrumental in assisting and troubleshooting some client problems. Now, maybe the company knew it was happening and didn't care, but you would think that if a company was 'selling' a service/product, they would actually want users to 'buy' the product. Especially if it was used in a business environment, for purposes of charging said clients for the use of said 'free mode' product to solve problems so they could stay in business. I never felt right in doing that. I considered it theaft whenever I used it. Management didn't seem to care. Theft like that happens a lot, which doesn't make it right. Maybe if they actually inspected how many are using their 'free' service, they would find a lot of users that are 'stealing', and many of those stealing the product wouldn't want to pay for it, and their kids wouldn't be tracked.

It raises the question of market penetration, and is it worth it, in the long run, to have customers cheating.stealing your product so other potential customers could hear about your product. Um, I don't see how that would be profitable.

'Ability to pay' is a nasty thing that some people try to hide from. Just because they 'can' afford to pay, doesn't mean they 'want' to pay. Cheating on taxes included...
 
But legally 18 year olds ARE adults. A local family thought their kid should pay rent in their house, and then decided that they still had the right to search their room. They found out they forfeit that right, and were sued for trespassing on their child. 'But they are our child!' they bleated, in court. The judge had no mercy. 'They are an adult. You charged rent for their room, and that established a relationship based on renter/landlord law, and you violated that law when you entered their space and seized certain items. It was a wake up for the inept controlling parents who thought they had all the control. Even without the rent, there was a certain expectation of privacy for their adult child living at home. Yeah, they are an adult. Would you welcome tracking of another family member?

Would you welcome tracking of your person by anyone else? At some point, you have to trust your spawn to do the right thing. MONITORING and TRACKING them shows they are not capable of being trusted. That is a damaging thing to subject a human being to. I guess I'm glad to have come from a large family. My parents had a lot more to keep them occupied and didn't have to time to try to micromanage my and my sibs lives. They would have been very busy tracking all of us. What a waste of time...

But enough of this. Your relationship with your children is yours to ruin, or salvage. Tread carefully on their rights, and their person-hood. The smallest things can have the largest effects on their psyche, on the way they treat themselves...
It sounds to me that he’s doing great job as a parent. Providing a comfortable life and guiding them through life.

My ex and I use the app to keep and eye on our youngest. He’s a new driver. App gives us a weekly report of his trips and speeds. Has collision alerts.

My oldest uses it for safety reasons. He doesn’t share locations. He’s 19. Lives at
Home. Goes to community college for electrical engineering. He can keep the collision alerts on.

It’s not about tracking. It’s about safety.
 
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I do as do about ten million mothers (my wife) who want to keep track of their kids. Pretty obvious very few of you have kids. In fact last night my son was driving a friend home. Opened up life 360 and saw our son was driving a little too fast and texted him to slow down which he did.

So he wasn’t just driving too fast but also reading text messages while driving. Splendid!
 
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