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I don't think the OP deserves to be flamed so badly. The Air is a pinnacle product and should have high quality control. The screen on the Air in general is not great. The gamut is narrow, viewing angles are narrow and colors are always too cool. On the plus side glare is less than a MBP. I think the LCD technology at that radical amount of thinness still needs more development. It'll get there. If you need a screen that you can rely on you still need to buy a MBP not an Air. If the *known* issues bug you, don't get the Air. Wait for future releases where there's a good chance the LCD will improve.
 
Is there someway to explain to a non techie what to look out for when we are looking for gradient effect and backlight bleeding. I have both the 2010 and the 2011 base 13" macbook airs and i can't really tell what is wrong with the screen. I have tried full brightness on a white background and.... i still can't figure out what is wrong.

Don't go looking for trouble. If you can't tell--it doesn't matter.


I don't think the OP deserves to be flamed so badly. The Air is a pinnacle product and should have high quality control. The screen on the Air in general is not great. The gamut is narrow, viewing angles are narrow and colors are always too cool. On the plus side glare is less than a MBP. I think the LCD technology at that radical amount of thinness still needs more development. It'll get there. If you need a screen that you can rely on you still need to buy a MBP not an Air. If the *known* issues bug you, don't get the Air. Wait for future releases where there's a good chance the LCD will improve.

The reason he's being flamed is due to the nature of his posts at the beginning, the fact that he is posting on a subject that already has MANY threads about it.

I don't have a Macbook Pro around to use--but I'm guessing that MBP screen is probably 1.5-2 times as thick as the Airs. You have to bear in mind--the Air is supposed to be the ultra-portable out of the laptop line for Apple. As the other poster said--comparing the air's and the pro's screens are apples and oranges.
 
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I'm not sure where this conclusion comes from.

My Sony VAIO Z has a thinner display than my MBA, and it's just fine.

TBH, my Air doesn't have the issues that I'm seeing a lot of pictures of. I have no mountains or anything. Just a nice screen.
 
The gradient effect is difficult to judge on a photograph of a computer screen. The op is complaining about backlight bleeding at the bottom of the screen. His screenshot does not show any backlight bleeding. Here is another screenshot without the dock.

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Gee I'm really interested to know if you had full brightness on this photo. Higher brightness setting will certainly make the gradients go away but I don't see my eyes can take full brightness all the time, nor my battery will be happy about it.

It looks perfect on the photo, but most of the time the photo will show this effect a little less pronounced than real life. I recently discover this patchy gradient problem on my display and I really not sure if I should send it for a replacement. I'm way pass the "newly owned" period so they probably going to replace the screen/assembly, which is fine for me as long as they're careful with the machine and not making any damage to the exterior.

I also confirmed that, the backlight indeed need some time to warm up. I can see the patches very obviously when I cold boot the machine. No a big problem after a while but it's still there if I browse light color webpages like MR.

I don't blame Apple, Apple doesn't even make the display units and I believe Apple had some hard time deciding which manufacturer's display to fit in (Apple dump LG display for iPad recently because of failing drop tests). It's extremely difficult to fit lamps in such a thin space and expect evenly lite display. I guess Thomas Edison will be haunted to see light bulb has evolved to such an amazing state.

Hope the next Air will have amazing IPS display with the expense of extra 2mm of thickness to the display - I for one don't care about that extra 2mm.
 
The MBP is less DPI but I do not think anyone can argue that it is a better screen. They are not apples to apples. Maybe you need to go with the MBP. If form factor and weight are not the benefits you are looking for.

I know that, also a kid at Apple store mentioned the same, but my point is that the screen must be uniform at all edges does not matter what.

BTW
I have a nice LA robe for 13" MBA, anyone interested?
 
I'm not sure why everyone is jumping not he OP's case. He has a legitimate complaint and is voicing it in a public forum dedicated to that particular product. He isn't trolling or acting like a kid.

Yeah, he's complaining about a beloved Apple product, just as he should. Grow up and gtf over it. **** quality isn't something Apple is incapable of.
 
I don't have this issue, just picked mine up today from the Apple Store

Are you sure? I hardly believe that if any MBA which does not have this gradient issue might be exists since I checked every MBA has the same issue at the local Apple store and so many people reported it here and there.
 
I don't see anything wrong with the OP posting this for others to read about. Especially for those who are new to the macbook air and the forums. I know some of you hate to see repetitive threads but you simply should just refrain from opening them if you don't want to read them. Really, only the moderators should be the ones to say something and if they don't, you shouldn't. Anyway, I'm glad I'll be picking up an 11" MBA here in the next couple months, sounds like the screens are better on the 11's. Cheers.
 
I know the MBA's screen has some flaws, but it is so much better than many other offerings out there, at least in my experience and outside of the Apple ecosystem. I had an Alienware M11x and the screen was just awful. It was depressing how awful it was. It was so awful that when I got my MBA I felt like I had found the best screen ever. Numerous HPs, Dells and even the Sony Vaio I had six years ago had equally sub par screens. While my experience is of course subjective, and my time using Apple computers limited, it seems to me that they use screens that are overall a lot better than a good portion of their competition.
 
Thanks from OP to the people recognizing the problem,
is there any way we can raise this with Apple?

Common consumer letter?
Calls to Apple support?

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Return your MBA for a different brand of computer?

I just did, if you are reading the thread.

I like the the idea, concept, design etc of MBA.
If they will fix the screen issue I'll buy at least two MBAs.
 
I don't see anything wrong with the OP posting this for others to read about. Especially for those who are new to the macbook air and the forums. I know some of you hate to see repetitive threads but you simply should just refrain from opening them if you don't want to read them. Really, only the moderators should be the ones to say something and if they don't, you shouldn't. Anyway, I'm glad I'll be picking up an 11" MBA here in the next couple months, sounds like the screens are better on the 11's. Cheers.

His first post make him seem like an insolent little adolescent to me. Perhaps it's the combination of being frustrated and not having English as his native language.

I will put out a voice (or at least, a post) of frustration over this. There is no need for 5 threads on the first page to be about the same thing. If someone ABSOLUTELY needs to talk about it--being able to do so in a constructive way would be the better way to start the post...assuming that person for whatever reason had to make a new post about it. The OP failed in doing that. If I wanted to see some rants, I'd turn on Fox News.
 
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His first post make him seem like an insolent little adolescent to me. Perhaps it's the combination of being frustrated and not having English as his native language.

I will put out a voice (or at least, a post) of frustration over this. There is no need for 5 threads on the first page to be about the same thing. If someone ABSOLUTELY needs to talk about it--being able to do so in a constructive way would be the better way to start the post...assuming that person for whatever reason had to make a new post about it. The OP failed in doing that. If I wanted to see some rants, I'd turn on Fox News.

Are you a Racist?
How's English as not native language is having a relation to this thread?

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His first post make him seem like an insolent little adolescent to me. Perhaps it's the combination of being frustrated and not having English as his native language.

I will put out a voice (or at least, a post) of frustration over this. There is no need for 5 threads on the first page to be about the same thing. If someone ABSOLUTELY needs to talk about it--being able to do so in a constructive way would be the better way to start the post...assuming that person for whatever reason had to make a new post about it. The OP failed in doing that. If I wanted to see some rants, I'd turn on Fox News.

Also according to yours starting threads

Question: Remote File Access Through Airport Extreme
Embarrassed Mac User: Mac App Ignorance
Question about using Time Machine with MBA
DV Camcorder as Webcam for Snow Leopard.

you will be more educated if you can take an Apple boot camp.
 
I don't think the OP deserves to be flamed so badly. The Air is a pinnacle product and should have high quality control. The screen on the Air in general is not great. The gamut is narrow, viewing angles are narrow and colors are always too cool. On the plus side glare is less than a MBP. I think the LCD technology at that radical amount of thinness still needs more development. It'll get there. If you need a screen that you can rely on you still need to buy a MBP not an Air. If the *known* issues bug you, don't get the Air. Wait for future releases where there's a good chance the LCD will improve.

This.

Didn't Lenovo cram IPS screen to 12" ThinkPad. Now, thats something...

Not even 15-17" MBPs have IPS screens.

For the margins that Apple has I'd expect better hardware. Sigh, still like my Mac though. What to do?
 
Are you a Racist?
How's English as not native language is having a relation to this thread?

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I'm not racist. Some of what you have typed in previous posts has been difficult to understand. The way you were typing out in the beginning of thread lead me to believe that English isn't your first language, due to grammatical errors you made which commonly come with people who are learning English as a second language. Due to this, your arguments/rants/statements are unclear, and not concise.

Also according to yours starting threads

Question: Remote File Access Through Airport Extreme
Embarrassed Mac User: Mac App Ignorance
Question about using Time Machine with MBA
DV Camcorder as Webcam for Snow Leopard.

you will be more educated if you can take an Apple boot camp.
You would be more educated if you took an Apple Boot Camp. (I edited your last sentence to make it more clear. Incidentally, it is things like this that made me think that English isn't your native/first language.)

Now to answer your implied insult due to my threads I've started.
1.) Remote File Access: I wanted access to my storage drives in my windows 7 machine. I was asking if anyone knew of the configuration to be able to access those files from outside of my home network (i.e. while I'm at work) so I could save disk space on my Air and be able to connect to, say my iTunes library without having to connect an external hard drive.

2.) My old macbook I used primarily in a internet browsing/word processing machine. I didn't use it as a main computer, and I use windows 7--so I was looking for some interesting apps/programs for my mac to increase satisfaction with OSX Lion.

3.) My question about Time Machine was just that; a question. Before, I didn't have anything worthwhile on my Mac that wasn't already backed up elsewhere. I wanted to automate the process and I asked a question.

4.) Using a DV camcorder as a Web Camera. That was an issue with only being able to have one program access the camcorder at a time.


I take issue with you ranting on the forums in a non-constructive way. At least later on you post pictures to attempt to clarify the issue. But you make a post, cry/rant about the screens in a way that makes you seem excessively immature. If you're going to make a post about an issue that is already widely documented--make it a post that is constructive and clear. You failed to do that.
 
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Gee I'm really interested to know if you had full brightness on this photo. Higher brightness setting will certainly make the gradients go away but I don't see my eyes can take full brightness all the time, nor my battery will be happy about it.

No, I did not. The MBA was running off the battery with around half brightness. I can go up and down with the brightness and I don't have any gradient problems or backlight bleeding.
 
Guys, it's not about Lenovo or English

It's about Apple's reckless screen for 2011 13"

and if you can not return it, please don't make an excuse by trying to defend it.
 
I'm not racist. Some of what you have typed in previous posts has been difficult to understand. The way you were typing out in the beginning of thread lead me to believe that English isn't your first language, due to grammatical errors you made which commonly come with people who are learning English as a second language. Due to this, your arguments/rants/statements are unclear, and not concise.



Now to answer your implied insult due to my threads I've started.
1.) Remote File Access: I wanted access to my storage drives in my windows 7 machine. I was asking if anyone knew of the configuration to be able to access those files from outside of my home network (i.e. while I'm at work) so I could save disk space on my Air and be able to connect to, say my iTunes library without having to connect an external hard drive.

2.) My old macbook I used primarily in a internet browsing/word processing machine. I didn't use it as a main computer, and I use windows 7--so I was looking for some interesting apps/programs for my mac to increase satisfaction with OSX Lion.

3.) My question about Time Machine was just that; a question. Before, I didn't have anything worthwhile on my Mac that wasn't already backed up elsewhere. I wanted to automate the process and I asked a question.

4.) Using a DV camcorder as a Web Camera. That was an issue with only being able to have one program access the camcorder at a time.


I take issue with you ranting on the forums in a non-constructive way. At least later on you post pictures to attempt to clarify the issue. But you make a post, cry/rant about the screens in a way that makes you seem excessively immature. If you're going to make a post about an issue that is already widely documented--make it a post that is constructive and clear. You failed to do that.

No, you are the Racist.

and once again "how to use my ..." will help you.
 
No, you are the Racist.

and once again "how to use my ..." will help you.

In the time you've been on these forums (you just signed up this month) you've done nothing but complain about the screen. You've created multiple threads over the issue. Your first thread wasn't bad actually--but you didn't get a response. So then you created this thread to complain some more, but only this time you decided to act like a insolent child; it worked, this thread has by far more views and responses to it.

If you want to believe I'm a racist--by all means go ahead. I really couldn't care less what you personally think of me.

Unless I misread, it appears you've taken back your second Macbook Air and now have an alternative product. Go troll on their forums about issues wrong with it. You have no purpose being here anymore. I'm going to go out a limb and assume there are MANY more people like myself who are satisfied with their product and who don't have the issues that you posted. Not all Macbook Airs have the gradient issue. Mine most definitely does not.

I saw in your first post about the Macbook Air screens that you said you were a perfectionist. Perhaps it's time to become a perfectionist of the English language. This might help you.

Time for sleep; hopefully this entire thread gets moved into the wasteland sub-forum instead of in here.
 
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"ALL" is a very strong word.

As a last generation and current MBA user, I see no different in screen quality between these two models.

So, I don't think it is appropriate to use "ALL" since not every MBA has that screen problem.

For those who are thinking of getting MBA, I would recommend you to go ahead and grab it. If you don't like it, you can return it anytime. No harm at all.

:)
 
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