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Halloween’s roots are the Celtic festival known as Samhain; from the Old Irish samain). Of interest, All Saint’s Day was created by the Catholic Church to attract Pagans to the Christian alternative. :)


Top 100 Halloween Movies- A list at IMBD. My wife and my favorites are Hocus Pocus (1993) and Sleepy Hallow (1999).

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Pumpkins
Native to North America (northeastern Mexico and southern United States), pumpkins are one of the oldest domesticated plants, having been used as early as 7,500 to 5,000 BC. Pumpkins are widely grown for commercial use and are used both for food and recreation

The origins of Halloween:

ALL HALLOW’S EVE
Halloween is shortened from “All-hallow-evening,” the eve of All Hallow’s Day, which is now known as All Saints Day. (All Saints Day became was placed on November 1 by Pope Gregory IV in 835; All Souls Day on November 2 in 998.) Millions of children celebrate Halloween each year with costumes, parties, and hi-jinks. But what are they celebrating? Where did these customs arise?

Halloween has its origins in the ancient Celtic festival known as Samhain; from the Old Irish samain). The festival of Samhain is a celebration of the end of the harvest season in Gaelic culture, and is sometimes regarded as the "Celtic New Year". Traditionally, the festival was a time used by the ancient pagans to take stock of supplies and slaughter livestock for winter stores. The ancient Gaels believed that on October 31, now known as Halloween, the boundary between the alive and the deceased dissolved, and the dead become dangerous for the living by causing problems such as sickness or damaged crops. The festivals would frequently involve bonfires, into which bones of slaughtered livestock were thrown. Costumes and masks were also worn at the festivals in an attempt to mimic the evil spirits or placate them.

In pagan times, October 31 was New Year's Eve, a night of evil and terror when all hell broke lose. Goblins and ghosts were abroad that night, while witches celebrated their black rites as the spirits and souls of the dead roamed the earth. To frighten the evil spirits and to bolster their own sagging spirits, our ancestors created a din with bells, horns, pots and pans, (just as we still do at midnight on December 31st), and built fires to frighten the witches or perhaps burn them if they might get caught. On the afternoon of October 31st, village boys would go from house to house collecting fuel for the midnight fires. Everyone was expected to contribute some peat or "coal pieces" to help burn the witches. Those who did not received dire warnings of the evil consequences that might follow.

Over 1,000 years ago Christians confronted these pagan rites of appeasing the lord of death and evil spirits. But the early Christians didn't simply speak out; they tried to institute a Christian alternative. All Hallow's Day (November 1) was a celebration of all "the holies" – those people who had died faithful to Christ


HOW THE TRADITION OF TRICK OR TREATING GOT STARTED

Trick or Treating
As for the trick or treating, or “guising” (from “disguising”), traditions, beginning in the Middle-Ages, children and sometimes poor adults would dress up in the aforementioned costumes and go around door to door during Hallowmas begging for food or money in exchange for songs and prayers, often said on behalf of the dead. This was called “souling” and the children were called “soulers”.

UK
Souling ultimately gave rise to guising in the U.K. starting in the 19th century, with children dressing up and begging for things like fruit and money. In order to earn this token, they’d often tell jokes, sing songs, play an instrument, recite a poem, or perform in some other way for the amusement, not unlike the old tradition of souling but instead of prayers, a performance was offered.

USA
The practice of guising made its way to North America, probably brought over by the Scottish and Irish in the late 19th or early 20th century (first documented reference in 1911).

Trick or treating instead of guising on Halloween popped up in North America in the 1920s and 1930s, first in the western half of the continent. The term and the practice slowly spread, with a brief respite during WWII. After the WWII sugar rations were lifted, Halloween’s popularity saw a huge spike and within five years trick or treating was a near ubiquitous practice throughout North America.
 
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Pumpkin carving seems to have originated in the USA based on a previous long standing Scottish tradition of carving turnips (neeps). I grew up carving neeps. All I can say is pumpkins are way easier!
 
To be fair, pumpkin is better preserved with sugar and spices. There's a way to treat the flesh for it to remain semi-crunchy or just let it cook down and get soft but not mushy. It's fantastic. Even better if you can find varieties with a higher sugar content. Stuffed and baked pumpkin is more or less a global dish. Many cultures utilize pumpkins of any size stuffing it with veggies, herbs, spices, meats, rice, or whatever the case may be. Braising meat in a pumpkin is fantastic.
 
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Hallowe'en was seen (in the old Celtic calendar) as one of two occasions in the year when the veils, or walls, between the worlds of the living and the world of the dead were thought to be a lot thinner, and more porous than usual, allowing for travel both ways.

The other occasion was the late spring time festival, of Beltaine, or Beltane.

Of interest, to this day, the word Samhain is also found in the Irish language where it is a word - a proper noun - used to describe the month of November, while Beltaine, is the Irish (Gaelic) word, or noun, to describe the month of May.

Because of the drastic difference between the length of the day at different times of the year, many northern cultures - the Celts among them - developed sophisticated methods of measuring time and marking the turning points of the year.

Festivals to mark the solstice (both winter and summer) also existed, while the other two cardinal 'hinge' points - late autumn, and late spring (Samhain and Beltaine - marking death and birth, or re-birth) were also marked and celebrated.

Christianity later appropriated - or superimposed - Christian feast days and celebrations on these ancient pagan festivals.
 
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Outstanding thread :)

(I think I usually have a Halloween post/thread? No matter, this is where it's at :D)

We're stepping things up this year with some DIY animation for a few of our props, scored some small 5RPM motors, came as a kit with a hub connector, AC wiring, quick connectors. They're CW/CCW meaning they turn both directions switching after a power cycle, or if they run into too much resistance - the latter possibly providing some additional options for motion!

We love it, and have a blast - though we have a good time all the time (to quote Viv Savage ...) We really do things up here at the World HQ, and we're a source for full bars, so the kids usually flock here in big groups (our area usually has a couple of trailers and pulled by golf carts for mass Halloween transit :D)

Lots of block visiting, flaming drinks, projectors showing movies outside - human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!



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Actually, it is a holiday I quite like, as it has a function in how the year was measured and marked, and acknowledges and recognises and celebrates the dead. And I also like the fact that it has not become too commercialised the way that Christmas ( a time of the year I don't much care for) has.

Personally, I love to see kids dressed up, and I like the curious fusion - and echoes - of the old pagan traditions, and how the Christian concepts of death inform how Christians acknowledge and celebrate the festival - for the Christian celebration also acknowledges the dead, - it didn't dare not to do so - which is what the old Celtic tradition was all about.
 
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To be fair, pumpkin is better preserved with sugar and spices. There's a way to treat the flesh for it to remain semi-crunchy or just let it cook down and get soft but not mushy. It's fantastic. Even better if you can find varieties with a higher sugar content. Stuffed and baked pumpkin is more or less a global dish. Many cultures utilize pumpkins of any size stuffing it with veggies, herbs, spices, meats, rice, or whatever the case may be. Braising meat in a pumpkin is fantastic.
I love pumkin pie and discovered that sweet potatoe pie, which I first noticed in the US South, where the same spices are used, tastes almost identical if not the same as pumpkin pie. I’d be interested in the technique to eat semi-crunchy pumpkin. :)

Of interest: Pumpkins
Native to North America (northeastern Mexico and southern United States), pumpkins are one of the oldest domesticated plants, having been used as early as 7,500 to 5,000 BC. Pumpkins are widely grown for commercial use and are used both for food and recreation.
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Outstanding thread :)

(I think I usually have a Halloween post/thread? No matter, this is where it's at :D)

We're stepping things up this year with some DIY animation for a few of our props, scored some small 5RPM motors, came as a kit with a hub connector, AC wiring, quick connectors. They're CW/CCW meaning they turn both directions switching after a power cycle, or if they run into too much resistance - the latter possibly providing some additional options for motion!

We love it, and have a blast - though we have a good time all the time (to quote Viv Savage ...) We really do things up here at the World HQ, and we're a source for full bars, so the kids usually flock here in big groups (our area usually has a couple of trailers and pulled by golf carts for mass Halloween transit :D)

Lots of block visiting, flaming drinks, projectors showing movies outside - human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!



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My apologies, I try not to step on established threads, did a search but did not find one regarding the history of Halloween, which might have been there and I missed it. 🎃
 
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Actually, it is a holiday I quite like, as it has a function in how the year was measured and marked, and acknowledges and recognises and celebrates the dead. And I also like the fact that it has not become too commercialised the way that Christmas ( a time of the year I don't much care for) has.

Personally, I love to see kids dressed up, and I like the curious fusion - and echoes - of the old pagan traditions, and how the Christian concepts of death inform how Christians acknowledge and celebrate the festival - for the Christian celebration also acknowledges the dead, - it didn't dare not to do so - which is what the old Celtic tradition was all about.
I’d actually argue that—in the States at least—it’s the second most commercialized holiday between the candy, costumes, decorations, etc.

Now, that being said, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as the over-commercialization of Xmas, but that's for personal, religious reasons.
 
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I’d actually argue that—in the States at least—it’s the second most commercialized holiday between the candy, costumes, decorations, etc.
I don't have any issues with Halloween, but agree that it seems to have taken over more than its share of fall. Skeletons, giant spiderwebs, fake gravestones in yards....I liked the 1980s simple Halloween of a carved pumpkin and those horrible plastic molded masks that you would pair with an existing outfit. I don't dislike Halloween at all but it is way too commercialized for my tastes.
 
Actually, it is a holiday I quite like, as it has a function in how the year was measured and marked, and acknowledges and recognises and celebrates the dead. And I also like the fact that it has not become too commercialised the way that Christmas ( a time of the year I don't much care for) has.

Personally, I love to see kids dressed up, and I like the curious fusion - and echoes - of the old pagan traditions, and how the Christian concepts of death inform how Christians acknowledge and celebrate the festival - for the Christian celebration also acknowledges the dead, - it didn't dare not to do so - which is what the old Celtic tradition was all about.
I loved Halloween as a child (approx 10 years old, 1963) it was almost like a magical evening when me and a friend(s) could roam the neighborhood at will, and see groups of costumed people walking the streets, and we could imagine spirits out and about roaming the Earth. This was a time where I lived in S.E. Washington, D.C., when parents allowed their children to go out un-chaperoned, a special time. I imagine trick or treating in a typical U.K. village was a treat. :)

That special feeling was returned to me when our son was young (1980-early 90s) and the neighborhood on that particular night once again was transformed into something special, although parents were chaperoning their kids, I had an excuse to go out, and maybe because I felt transported back to my youth.

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I’ve mentioned it before, the 1991 Halloween blizzard in the Minneapolis suburbs while not tradional Halloween weather, was still a lot of fun. I was properly dressed. :D
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I don't have any issues with Halloween, but agree that it seems to have taken over more than its share of fall. Skeletons, giant spiderwebs, fake gravestones in yards....I liked the 1980s simple Halloween of a carved pumpkin and those horrible plastic molded masks that you would pair with an existing outfit. I don't dislike Halloween at all but it is way too commercialized for my tastes.
We have some molded pumpkins with built in lights, we put out on occasion, but they look pretty realistic at night. :)
 
I loved Halloween as a child (approx 10 years old, 1963) it was almost like a magical evening when me and a friend(s) could roam the neighborhood at will, and see groups of costumed people walking the streets, and we could imagine spirits out and about roaming the Earth. This was a time where I lived in S.E. Washington, D.C., when parents allowed their children to go out un-chaperoned, a special time. I imagine trick or treating in a typical U.K. village was a treat. :)

That special feeling was returned to me when our son was young (1980-early 90s) and the neighborhood on that particular night once again was transformed into something special, although parents were chaperoning their kids, I had an excuse to go out, and maybe because I felt transported back to my youth.

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I’ve mentioned it before, the 1991 Halloween blizzard in the Minneapolis suburbs while not tradional Halloween weather, was still a lot of fun. I was properly dressed. :D
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We have some molded pumpkins with built in lights, we put out on occasion, but they look pretty realistic at night. :)
No, not molded pumpkins, molded costume masks. 🙂

 
I’d actually argue that—in the States at least—it’s the second most commercialized holiday between the candy, costumes, decorations, etc.

Now, that being said, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as the over-commercialization of Xmas, but that's for personal, religious reasons.

Well, I'm not in the US, not writing about the US - and am not all that familiar with the US; I should have clarified that I was writing about European traditions.

But, nevertheless, certainly, at least in the case of the UK and Ireland, this festival still retains strong links to its pagan roots, and is not terribly commercialised.
 
I love pumkin pie and discovered that sweet potatoe pie, which I first noticed in the US South, where the same spices are used, tastes almost identical if not the same as pumpkin pie. I’d be interested in the technique to eat semi-crunchy pumpkin. :)

I used to make (haven't for a few years) a pumpkin Drambuie chiffon pie - it's just amazing, it's a "no bake", the filling is cooked, but then the pie is just chilled. It's about 4-5" thick, light, creamy, a little hint of Drambuie, lots of traditional flavors.

I'll dig it up, but there's several versions of it circulating online :)


My apologies, I try not to step on established threads, did a search but did not find one regarding the history of Halloween, which might have been there and I missed it. 🎃


OMG, no, this is terrific, good start, good content :)
 
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Well, I'm not in the US, not writing about the US - and am not all that familiar with the US; I should have clarified that I was writing about European traditions.

But, nevertheless, certainly, at least in the case of the UK and Ireland, this festival still retains strong links to its pagan roots, and is not terribly commercialised.
Yes, that’s why I included the aside. I’ve been around the world, but yet to visit the U.K. It’s on my list.
 
I'm wearing my pumpkin mask, so I'm ready.

Or did I remove my mask, and this is my real face?

On the internet, nobody knows you're a hobgoblin.
 
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Somewhere is possibly 8MM film of me at 9-10 years old wearing a skeleton costume made by my mom. Black shirt and pants with bones from white cloth sewn on and make-up to make my head look like a skull. Was pretty good at least in my memory. My sister and I had plastic pumpkin buckets to collect our candy in.
 
Somewhere is possibly 8MM film of me at 9-10 years old wearing a skeleton costume made by my mom. Black shirt and pants with bones from white cloth sewn on and make-up to make my head look like a skull. Was pretty good at least in my memory. My sister and I had plastic pumpkin buckets to collect our candy in.

That sounds really cool, and it must have been a wonderful piece of work; your mom sounds as though she was (or is) very talented and creative.
 
Last year we did a rear projection in the garage, put up these long shear panels we had (they were actually used as decoration when we got married __way__ back when :D) at the entrance, used a black sheet to get the right aspect ratio :)

It worked pretty decently, had a 2 hour clip I found on YT playing, it was a little erratic with the content, but free.

This year, we're going to put up the panels deep in the garage, the projector up on the [open] door, projecting directly, so should be brighter, more clear. I'm going to use an Amazon Fire stock for the source and one of the Hulu Halloween stock videos they post up, a couple of really good ones including a neat graveyard scene.

Then, we're going to do a few physical props, some with motion, in the foreground, so it'll be like a 3D diorama in the garage :D
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Oh wow, and we got a new drink idea from Mellow Mushroom (local boutique pizza, craft beers, bar).

It was Ace Pumpkin Cider, Bulleit bourbon, maple syrup, lemon juice - perfect balance of flavor, not overly sweet, nice little kick of bourbon. We need to experiment with the ratios, I didn't see them being made.
 
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That sounds really cool, and it must have been a wonderful piece of work; your mom sounds as though she was (or is) very talented and creative.
She is, she still likes sewing, knitting and crochet. Last Xmas she did a lot of embroidery when she was spending two months with my sister in the US.
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Oh wow, and we got a new drink idea from Mellow Mushroom (local boutique pizza, craft beers, bar).

It was Ace Pumpkin Cider, Bulleit bourbon, maple syrup, lemon juice - perfect balance of flavor, not overly sweet, nice little kick of bourbon. We need to experiment with the ratios, I didn't see them being made.
You certainly would get mellow from a couple of those! Sounds like a neat place to eat and drink.
 
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