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Umm... I get uncapped 101Mbps for $99/month so downloading 10GB takes me 13 minutes.

*sigh*, just reading your post confirms just how far the US is behind. Everyone gets 100Mbps for $10/month in Japan (and people can upgrade to 1Gbps for $50/month)

If you don't think downloading is the future, you need to open your eyes. Although US is trying to catch up, the Japanese can download an entire 50GB DL BD in less than 7 minutes. Optical media is dead. In a few years, we'll be laughing at the fact that we actually wanted a loud, big, spinning disc drive in our laptops.

The biggest reason why the MBA is so much thinner than a MB is the lack of an optical drive. Optical drives are just wasted space in a portable machine.

WOW....
is it true ?
 
Umm... I get uncapped 101Mbps for $99/month so downloading 10GB takes me 13 minutes.

*sigh*, just reading your post confirms just how far the US is behind. Everyone gets 100Mbps for $10/month in Japan (and people can upgrade to 1Gbps for $50/month)

If you don't think downloading is the future, you need to open your eyes. Although US is trying to catch up, the Japanese can download an entire 50GB DL BD in less than 7 minutes. Optical media is dead. In a few years, we'll be laughing at the fact that we actually wanted a loud, big, spinning disc drive in our laptops.

The biggest reason why the MBA is so much thinner than a MB is the lack of an optical drive. Optical drives are just wasted space in a portable machine.

Thank you, someone else realizes that discs are dead. I'm in the states, but with my college network I can pull down BD-rips at 50Mbps from Usenet. There's no need for discs anymore people! I would love to have your connection though; the US needs to get its act together in more ways than just internet speed.
 
WOW....
is it true ?

Is what true? That Japanese get 1Gbps?

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/27/1757211&from=rss

DDI has announced that they will be launching a 1Gbps Internet service to single-family home and condo users in October [2008]. The service is supposedly synchronous, with 1Gbps in both directions, although the article implies that speeds will vary with location. Cost will be 5,985 yen/month (about US$56.50) for the basic Internet and IP phone service.

http://gizmodo.com/5055965/1gbps-fiber+optic-service-arrives-in-japan-on-october-1

1Gbps Fiber-Optic Service Arrives in Japan on October 1

The service goes online October 1 for single family homes and low-rise apartment buildings for about $56 a month, and will be considerably higher than the current 100 megabits per second norm most Japanese citizens already enjoy today
 
We have about 32Mbps and that is already enough to download HD movies quickly enough. Seriously, you don't need more than that.

I want Apple to cut the optical disc on the MacBook Pro and insert another super powerful graphic card or something. Seriously since I got this 17" UB MBP I used the optical drive twice!

And sell the separate USB one... I'm pretty sure people don't use optical drive while they're on the go that frequently. They only use it at home when they want to install stuff.
 
Umm... I get uncapped 101Mbps for $99/month so downloading 10GB takes me 13 minutes.

No, the speed of your torrent download depends on the seeders so quit the daydream. Physical media will outrace what can be delivered digitally for the foreseeable future. You can get better quality HD in less time by walking to a retail store. That is how it will continue to be when 1080p is succeeded by digital 2K, 4K and then 8K, etc

And optical media isn't going to die for at least ten years. There is nothing else as reliable for backing up data. Hard discs, web storage and solid state media just don't cut it yet.
 
No, the speed of your torrent download depends on the seeders so quit the daydream. Physical media will outrace what can be delivered digitally for the foreseeable future. You can get better quality HD in less time by walking to a retail store. That is how it will continue to be when 1080p is succeeded by digital 2K, 4K and then 8K, etc

Private trackers and Usenet can pump data through the tubes fast enough. 8K can be streamed live if you have a fast enough internet connection Cal It2 at UCSD has an 8K projector, and I got to watch some stuff on it streamed live from Japan. It was pretty cool. Plus we have the starcave!
 
Private trackers and Usenet can pump data through the tubes fast enough.

And what happens when enough people with slow connections connect to the peers? Bandwidth is reduced for everyone. It takes me 15 minutes to get a Blu-ray movie from a store. There's no way to beat that.

8K can be streamed live if you have a fast enough internet connection Cal It2 at UCSD has an 8K projector, and I got to watch some stuff on it streamed live from Japan. It was pretty cool. Plus we have the starcave!

It must have been highly compressed with many artefacts because a proper high quality full colour digital 8K stream has such a high bit rate that you would need a connection speed that isn't available to consumers yet, would overheat servers, and your MacBook Pro isn't powerful enough to play it back at 24fps. We're talking about a video image 8000+ pixels wide and ideally with a 4:4:4 colour space and no tearing or artefacting.

Like I said, physical media is here to stay. Besides, if you got rid of it there would be millions made unemployed as retail stores shut down worldwide and there goes your consumer market as the economy tanks. plop
 
And what happens when enough people with slow connections connect to the peers? Bandwidth is reduced for everyone. It takes me 15 minutes to get a Blu-ray movie from a store. There's no way to beat that.



It must have been highly compressed with many artefacts because a proper high quality full colour digital 8K stream has such a high bit rate that you would need a connection speed that isn't available to consumers yet, would overheat servers, and your MacBook Pro isn't powerful enough to play it back at 24fps. We're talking about a video image 8000+ pixels wide and ideally with a 4:4:4 colour space and no tearing or artefacting.

Like I said, physical media is here to stay. Besides, if you got rid of it there would be millions made unemployed as retail stores shut down worldwide and there goes your consumer market as the economy tanks. plop

It was probably compressed, but it showed no visible signs of artifacting or tearing. Physical media is here to stay until internet speeds increase. Hopefully within our lifetimes we'll see spinning discs die.
 
1) Yes, but... the 3650 is much better then the 9400m, and if you're looking for decent graphics AND battery life, the sony is the way to go.
2) Some people prefer plastic. I know I'd rather a computer that can withstand a fall
3) You've obviously never seen Windows 7.

What it comes down it is that people want to use OS X on different hardware. Personally, I'd suggest a ThinkPad, and hackintosh it. That's the only way to get the best of both worlds.

That isn't my point. The MBP has both - 9400M for battery, and then a 9600GT for power. The Sony will simply peter out if you try and push it.

Stop dropping computers? I've never purchased a laptop based on how droppable it is.

Windows 7 isn't out yet. That VAIO doesn't ship with Windows 7. You cannot use Windows 7 as a "fact" until it is officially launched - or if you do, I'll just use Snow Leopard's developer version.
 
No, the speed of your torrent download depends on the seeders so quit the daydream.

Who says I downloaded torrents? Even if I did, there are many private trackers seeding 100Mbps. Most are invite only.

Plus, we are talking about the feasibility of companies offering legal Blu-Ray quality downloads in the near future.

Physical media will outrace what can be delivered digitally for the foreseeable future. You can get better quality HD in less time by walking to a retail store.
Except Japan already has 1Gbps and they can download a 1080p film before you have time to put your shoes and jacket on to go to the store. I guess the Japanese are living in an unforeseeable future?

That is how it will continue to be when 1080p is succeeded by digital 2K, 4K and then 8K, etc
The resolution of 2k is 2048x1080, almost the same as 1080p. I hate to break it to you but 1080p will be the standard for the next 40 years. Keep in mind that our current NTSC-standard (DVD resolution) was developed in 1953 and was the standard for over 50 years (and still is the standard now as DVDs sell more than Blu-Rays)

99% of all films go through a 2k digital intermediate with 4k reserved for a few $200 million budget blockbuster and as a filmmaker, I can tell you that won't change anytime soon.

Also, unless people start getting 150 inch screens in their living room, there is absolutely NO POINT in a home video resolution greater than 1080p. To get the full benefit of 4k, you would need to sit less than 7 feet away from a 200 inch screen.

And optical media isn't going to die for at least ten years. There is nothing else as reliable for backing up data. Hard discs, web storage and solid state media just don't cut it yet.
So optical media that can be easily scratched and susceptible to disc rot is more reliable than HDDs and SSDs? If that is true, then every company in the world would store all its data and sensitive information on optical discs (I assure you, they don't). Not to mention the fact that optical discs can be easily lost, have much slower read and write speeds, and are inconvenient to carry around (who wants to take Blu-Rays on an airplane when all their films are stored on their hard drive).

Portable machines should NOT have moving parts. The sooner we take out optical drives and switch 100% to SSDs, the better.

It must have been highly compressed with many artefacts because a proper high quality full colour digital 8K stream has such a high bit rate that you would need a connection speed that isn't available to consumers yet, would overheat servers, and your MacBook Pro isn't powerful enough to play it back at 24fps. We're talking about a video image 8000+ pixels wide and ideally with a 4:4:4 colour space and no tearing or artefacting.

All video we watch is highly compressed, although compression technology is getting better. An uncompressed 2-hour 1080p film is over 1TB. The Japanese has bandwidth fast enough TODAY to stream 8k video with lossless compression for $56/month.
 
All video we watch is highly compressed, although compression technology is getting better. An uncompressed 2-hour 1080p film is over 1TB. The Japanese has bandwidth fast enough TODAY to stream 8k video with lossless compression for $56/month.

It will be years before even half of the current system is converted to fiber and is capable of universally fast service for every customer. The US i mean. I would know, my dad is one of the guys buliding/maintiaining it. lol
 
It will be years before even half of the current system is converted to fiber and is capable of universally fast service for every customer. The US i mean. I would know, my dad is one of the guys buliding/maintiaining it. lol

In the US, maybe, but it will also take years before Blu-Ray overtakes DVD. By the time Blu-Ray finally topples DVD in sales, it won't be long before downloading takes over. Any success Blu-Ray will enjoy will be very short and this is why people say that Blu-Ray is dead. Apple knows this, which is why they haven't adopted the format yet.
 
And what happens when enough people with slow connections connect to the peers? Bandwidth is reduced for everyone. It takes me 15 minutes to get a Blu-ray movie from a store. There's no way to beat that.

I just tried downloading a 1080p movie trailer from Apple's website. I'm on a 100/10 Mbps connection and I could start watching it instantly. With a full movie at the same speeds I could just pick one, hit purchase and start watching it right away. With a 10 Mbps connection I would have wait maybe a few minutes. Certainly beats going out in ****** weather etc.

Here in Finland you can get a 24/1 or 8/1 Mbps ADSL connections in many places already and that should be enough to stream 1080p films with very little wait if the connection can be utilized at full speed.

However, the physical media has one thing over purely digital: collectability. Even though I listen to all of my music thru my computer or iPod or iPhone, I still buy CDs because I like collecting them. Many people like collecting movies and games the same way and if the physical media is removed then you lose part of it. Having a download ticket in a cardboard box isn't quite the same as having the film on a disc. Not to mention if download servers go down you can still watch using the disc.

Still, I don't see a valid reason for Apple to shun BluRay support. I understand why they don't have BluRay players yet - most likely because BluRay burners are expensive and I don't think there are hybrid BluRay player/DVD burner units available. I imagine they've considered being able to burn DVDs more important than watching BluRay. The OS however should have support for it so you can plug in an external USB BluRay player.
 
Macbook Pro 17":-

http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/apple-macbook-pro-17in_6094-img0114s.jpg

http://images.apple.com/uk/macbookpro/images/features17-trackpad20090106.jpg

MacBook Pro specifcations:

* 17" LCD High Resolution AntiGlare
* Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz CPU
* 4GB RAM
* nVidia 512MB 9600M
* 320GB (5400RPM)
* 8x DVD-/+RW Superdrive

= £1,983.99 ($2,901 USD)

......

Sony Vaio FW35V (or FW390 for the USA):-

http://i44.tinypic.com/20ktbo8.jpg[...3 of them all got damaged less than a year...
 
In the US, maybe, but it will also take years before Blu-Ray overtakes DVD. By the time Blu-Ray finally topples DVD in sales, it won't be long before downloading takes over. Any success Blu-Ray will enjoy will be very short and this is why people say that Blu-Ray is dead. Apple knows this, which is why they haven't adopted the format yet.

Very good point, I tend to keep a lot of my favorite flicks on a USB stick these days in compressed formats, I imagine it may be something similar at that point since the sticks are capable of more and more storage capacity over time. When DVD goes away as VHS has fairly recently (the last stronghold of the VHS market that remained until as recently as 2005 if memory serves being porn shops) likely something such as this will replace it. The blue ray thing will just be like a puff of smoke in the tech field like when I remove an icon from my dock.
 
Macbook Pro 17":-


MacBook Pro specifcations:

* 17" LCD High Resolution AntiGlare
* Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz CPU
* 4GB RAM
* nVidia 512MB 9600M
* 320GB (5400RPM)
* 8x DVD-/+RW Superdrive

= £1,983.99 ($2,901 USD)

......

Sony Vaio FW35V (or FW390 for the USA):-


Sony Vaio FW35V specifications:

* 16.4" 1920x1080 XBrite FullHD LCD + eye-cam
* Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz CPU
* 4GB RAM
* ATI Radeon 512MB HD3650
* 320GB (5400RPM)
* 8x DVD-/+RW Superdrive

= £892 ($1305 USD)

The MacBook Pro's RAM is a touch faster, it has a slightly higher spec graphics card, and a considerably better battery, but that's still over £1000 ($1500 USD) difference between the two. The rest of the specs are identical.

Admittedly the Sony isn't half the price for twice the specifications, but it is half the price for similar specifications.

I only paid $999 + $150 for 500GB HD and 4GB ram upgrade and got Blu-ray included on my Vaio FW. I watch movies on my laptop, and in the rooms that don't have a Bluray player at home. Also, take it with me on business and make sure I stay at Hyatt Place (every room has 42" or better LCD with easy to reach connection panel).

Apple needs to improve the HW spec, especially display resolution. 1440x900 & 1280x800 are ancient specs. There should at least be BTO options for higher res screens and an external Bluray option if they can't get the 9.5mm drive. Heck, I'd even settle for some Bluray drivers so I can connect my own external drive.

Cheers,
 
I was living in US last year, using comcast 16 mbit, this year I'm in France, using 18 mbit standard DSL for relatively same price, and if my building actually agreed upon putting fiber, I could have 100 mbit for 5$ more per month.

I download bluray rips off usenet and torrents, for 1080p rips it takes around 2 hours (8-10 GB), so it's around the same time as watching the movie. Granted it's not as fast as walking to the store buying it and coming back, which in my case would still take around an hour, but you don't actually find everything in stores so still the majority of the disc purchases I make online, and that takes several days to ship. I'm an hi-fi enthusiast, have a home theater setup, and I actually did not upgrade to bluray from dvd (even shocking for me) because simply downloading stuff from internet and watching them on my 30" ACD is much much simpler than ordering them from amazon.com, and waiting 2 days for them to arrive. When Apple starts selling 1080p I'll buy from Apple, until then torrents/usenet helps.

I don't think optical media is dead, but downloading seems much much simpler nowadays, and I don't remember the last time I used the dvd drive on my Mac Pro.
 
No, they are not and they are much larger than you state.

No, they are only 10 gigs. Actually most of them are under 10 gigs. Depending on the length of the movie, they can be as low as 6 gigs. I have also compared a blu-ray disc to a blu-ray rip and can only tell the difference when my nose is about 2 inches away from my TV.

By the time you can download just one of them I can walk to my nearest store, buy the movie on disc with a nice box, get food, eat food, watch the movie more than a couple of times, go to sleep, wake up next morning, wash, dress, go to work, come back from work, watch the movie again and find out that your download still hasn't finished.


And what happens when enough people with slow connections connect to the peers? Bandwidth is reduced for everyone. It takes me 15 minutes to get a Blu-ray movie from a store. There's no way to beat that.
There are two ways to quickly download a large movie. Either through usenet or through a private bit torrent site. Personally, I use invite only bit torrent sites. I can download anything through the private torrent site and max out my 20Mbps connection. While you're right, I can't download it in 15 minutes, there are people that can. They just pay an absurd amount per month to get their uber fast internet. Or they live in Japan. ;)
Like I said, physical media is here to stay. Besides, if you got rid of it there would be millions made unemployed as retail stores shut down worldwide and there goes your consumer market as the economy tanks. plop

I agree. Physical media is here to stay. I just think it would be better if physical media co-existed along side the same quality digital format. That way, people could choose depending on the situation.
 
I was waiting for apple to release a laptop with bluray, but now I just use my ps3 to rip the bluray disk to my harddrive, then use anydvd hd to to remove the encryption. then use plex to play the file or handbrake to rip it. There was a thread about this in the Apple TV forum for people wanting to watch ripped blurays on their Apple TVs.
 
Imo, physical media is FAR away from being done. there is still a large market where people are not comfortable with online purchase (i am one of them who never use Ebay), and would like to own the physical copy of the movie, what happens if your hard drive fails? I know i would rip my movies to my hard drives and then store my physical copy of my movies somewhere safe where i cannot damage it.
 
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