Shutting down at near 0% is normal. iPhones have unexpected shutdowns at 50% or higher
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All iPhone 11 Models Feature New Dynamic Performance Management System to Reduce Impacts From Aging Batteries
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It reminds me when i worked for Kodak and customer would complain how a AA battery would only let the camera take 4 shots and the battery went dead. And asking them what AA batteries are you using in the camera and they are using 100 year old technology that was design for flashlights. And you would tell them you need to get lithium batteries and you will get 4000 shots and they would say those are to expensive. What!!!!!! You know that it is costing you more with these cheap batteries that were never designed for a camera and they did not care. Bang head ageist the wall!!!!!!
interesting you share this. My 8+ battery health was going down at an expected rate. Then suddenly last November it got stuck at 86% and has been stuck there ever since. This battery has well over 500 cycles now and the phone has to be charged 2 and 3 times a day. We even restored the phone and set it up as new and it’s just hanging at 86%.
iPhones on iOS 11 or newer do no longer shutdown like android does, when the battery gives out.
Yes, that’s the purpose of iOS performance management to stop the phone from shutting down, instead the cpu is throttled. Android the phones just shut down.
It all depends if you trust Apple or not. Given 2 facts:
1. Apple is no that good at hardware.
2. All batteries degrade.
What would you think the real purpose of this "feature" is?.
1. Apple is no that good at hardware.
2. All batteries degrade.
What would you think the real purpose of this "feature" is?.
Android has had a battery saver mode since 2014. You can even configure what percentage to enable it at.
https://www.howtogeek.com/242472/how-to-use-and-configure-androids-battery-saver-mode/
It's also very obvious when it's on, the statusbar turns red and there's a permanent notification about it.
Samsung goes even further with their ultra power saving mode, which turns the entire OS grayscale with a solid black background.
That seems to be more along the lines of Low Power Mode which is in iOS. All of that is somewhat different than this.
People assuming that Apple would bork an update to sell new phones should probably not buy an iPhone. Not if they have such little trust in Apple as a company.
Will they occasionally screw things up? Definitely! Are they deliberately crippling their updates just to sell newer stuff? Clearly not, at least not with any of the stuff I own(ed).
Why is it this throttling feature is to prevent unexpected shutdowns but just a couple months before this throttling feature was released, apple was recalling some iPhone 6s models that were shutting down unexpectedly. Two different solutions (throttling or a new non defective battery) for the same problem (unexpected shutdowns). No need to wonder which solution was cheaper for apple.
I'd rather have a new non defective battery than a slower cpu. Some how apple tricked many people into choosing this throttling.
People who believe in a conspiracist theory like planned obsolescence would also believe Apple tricked people when a simple recall for a hardware issue, not uncommon in any industry (note 7).
There were also defective batteries. But power management was an ingenious solution to keep the phone working. Other phones (androids)just shut down when the batteries give out.
86% is also one of the charge levels known to cause the devices to shutdown from the defective hardware (before Apple initiated the throttling). It was 86% and 83%, many of the iPhones in the recall list hung and shut off on those percentages. I know because mine was one of them.
I doubt that's really all that related to particular percentages, as much as it is related to chemically aged batteries and/or something else with the batteries. That said, once things are in the mid 80s percentages they are crossing into territory of an aged battery that is potentially more unstable.
Yeah.
Apple supporting phones for 5 years: planned obsolescence!
Other companies not updating phones after 2 to 3 years: innovation!
The logic of the haters are simply amazing.
The lack of updates doesn't make a smartphone obsolete. Updates that slow your device with out letting the user know is planned obsolescence.
So now the conversation went from the old 6s battery issue, which is slightly and minimally related to the topic at hand, to updates that slow your device down.
Which updates were those? ios 12 or ios 13?
Genuinely curious, do you know what planned obsolescence actually means? It seems that you’re taking out of context in your post, and it does not relate to Apple the way you’re interpreting it, at least in terms of iOS support/longevity _and_ their battery management.
As sure as the sun? My X is approaching a full 2 years and with iOS 13 it's faster than ever. My friend 7 is also faster than a week before. Calm down.. Jeezzz...
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..for stupid people, which seems to be many around here.
Again, if planned obsolescence is the goal, why bother supporting those old phones at all?
PC/Android users do this a lot too. They claim their products are cheaper, but really with all the new PCs and phones they keep buying every couple of years all adds up to the costs of a Mac or iPhone in the same time period, without the added resale value Apple stuff gets. Bang head against the wall indeed!
Making older devices useable (and keeping them useable) is the opposite of planned obsolescence.
I made a similar post back when the issue first surfaced in December 2017 and I think that is precisely what Apple has done here.
It is a fact that lithium ion batteries do degrade over time. At the time, Apple didn't have a battery replacement programme, and the industrial design of the iPhone (borne from Apple's design-led culture) made it hard to replace the battery, which in turn helped fuel conspiracy theories that Apple was deliberately slowing down users' devices to trick them into buying newer iPhones.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that very often, there is just enough truth present to keep the theory going, what more when coupled with the extremely hostile atmosphere here at this forum. At the time, I argued that Apple essentially had a couple of options:
1) Use larger batteries
2) improve the power delivery system
3) do nothing
4) throttle iphones
5) offer a battery swap programme
(1) and (2) are long-term design considerations (which appear to be what is happening now - the iPhone 11 sports a much larger battery, with an improved power management system specifically designed to tackle this sort of issue head on), so I don't see why people are complaining now that Apple appears to have taken seriously a legitimate problem dating back 2 years.
(3) is obviously unacceptable. You can't have iPhones suddenly turning off by themselves, especially during mission-critical activities.
(5) was an option offered by Apple as well, though the biggest issue here is that this isn't a solution for iPhone users in countries where there aren't Apple Stores. So it's not a silver bullet.
(4) was the best option Apple had at the time (because a slower phone is obviously still better than an unusable one) until (1) and (2) became feasible.
Coupled with long-term iOS support and fresh battery swaps available, these devices are good for 4-5 years minimum. And still people want to complain.
whats the idea behind stopping at 80%? is it harmful to charge all the way up to 100%?