All iPhone 15 Models Support DisplayPort for Up to 4K HDR Video Output to External Display

[Macalicious2011]

It's just too bad you can't do the same with streaming services and maybe watch your movies in a hotel room tv, or at a friend's house that do not a have a subscription...

Agree. The although alternative is to own a streaming stick that you can travel with.

 

[Flowstates]

Ok, serious question: is it becoming possible to use the iPhone Pro as a sort of desktop computer?

Think about it: A17 Pro chip, 8GB Ram, up to 1TB storage, USB 3 speeds... hook it up to a 4k display, with a USB-C hub you could also use a wired keyboard + mouse while charging the device.

I've been dreaming of the 1-device-for-everything solution for a while. I think specs-wise, we're almost there. The only thing we'd still need would be support for custom display resolutions, and better mouse support.

You'll be waiting a long time, along with all the iPad as laptop replacement crowd.

 

[Zdigital2015]

Did lightning ever pass higher than USB 2.0 speeds in any Apple product?

iPad Pro 12.9” 2015 and 2017 did as far as I know, not sure about the 9.7” or 10.5” models.

 

[adam1080]

I am curious if this will work via thunderbolt cable to USB-C capable displays??

I have this OLED 4k 15.6" travel monitor which is the perfect travel companion to my 16" M2 Max MBP. Link here (Bought mine off amazon for much cheaper by "Innocn" but they can not be found anymore)

I can use either Mini-HDMI or USB-C(which allows touch screen functionality on my Mac!). The touch is not amazing 10-point touch like it would be on Windows, but I really don't care about that and mostly use a short, very flexible HDMI-minHDMI from my MacBook which does not support touch.

The display doesn't support HDR, but compared to the XDR of the new MBP, it is amazingly close. Compared to my 15" 2018 MBP, it blows that screen away.

It would be pretty amazing if I can connect the new iPhone to this with a TB 3 or 4 cable alone(like I can from my MBP) and have it mirror and even support touch... I doubt it, but that could be awesome.

If not, adapters can make this thing pretty great for movies on planes, gaming with the iPhone(this display has crazy good response times).

I'll post next week when I get the 15 PM

 

[spinedoc77]

Makes me wish Apple had some sort of Dex mode. Heck why not just put MacOS on an iPhone?!?!?!

 

[specious]

For those talking about Dex, as someone who has touched it over the years and now has it on their S23 Ultra backup phone... it's finally pretty amazing. At least as good as a Chromebook, likely better. I just took a trip for a week with nothing but it, my iPad Pro, and my iPhone and I used Dex all day every day for all sorts of tasks. I was taking Teams calls, editing documents, sharing my screen, recording webinars, and more without a single hiccup.

An Apple version of that (and not Stage Manager but a proper desktop) would be extremely welcome. I also think it's very unlikely. Google is rolling out their desktop mode on the Pixel in 3-5 weeks with the Pixel 8 launch and have been baking it into Android, so it's only a matter of time before *some* sort of desktop mode becomes table stakes. Not today, probably not next year, but in 3-4 it's possible. 5+ definitely.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

The capability is here now for Stage Manager on the iPhone. It would be awesome to plug an iPhone into a monitor and connect a mouse and keyboard to use it like an iOS desktop. Apple would probably lose a lot of iPad and Mac sales which is why I’m sure we don’t have this now, but hopefully we get it in the near future.

“I’m comfy on my couch, but would really like to browse the web on a larger screen. Since I replaced all my devices with this phone, let me get up, grab a cable, connect it to my television… oh the cable’s not long enough, I’ll move the couch closer… hmm, still too short to lie back, so I’ll sit up straight and, since my television isn’t touch, I’ll use the phone like a trackpad.”

“Yes, in almost every way this experience is better than when I had the iPad!”

 

[Unregistered 4U]

An Apple version of that (and not Stage Manager but a proper desktop) would be extremely welcome. I also think it's very unlikely. Google is rolling out their desktop mode on the Pixel in 3-5 weeks with the Pixel 8 launch and have been baking it into Android, so it's only a matter of time before *some* sort of desktop mode becomes table stakes. Not today, probably not next year, but in 3-4 it's possible. 5+ definitely.

An Apple version of THAT I think is in the realms of reality, but most talking about Dex are thinking of it as “iOS not docked, macOS when docked”, like actually running macOS applications with the macOS finder, etc. It would be more like expecting Dex to run Windows programs, maybe?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

EDIT: Also it would be nice if the new displayport support really is native. The current lightning display adapters actually have the phone compress the video, then the adapter decompresses it because USB 2.0 doesn't have enough bandwidth for the signal otherwise. You will occasionally see compression artifacts when an iPhone is driving an external display! It's such a kludge and why the adapter is so pricey.

AH yes, I remember Panic did a write up of this. Very interesting at the time and just a week or so (maybe less than that when the embargoes are lifted) before we find out!

 

[Unregistered 4U]

This is how you’ll play your AAA games on your phones lads. This adapter, along with a xbox/ps5/backbone controller effectively turns your iPhone into the ultimate Nintendo Switch.

Assassin’s Creed Mirage PS5, Xbox Series X|S, PS4, Xbox One, and PC. And iPhone 15 Pro.

And not macOS. As it’s coming out for iPhone 15 Pro in early 2024, that even provides an opportunity for Apple to release an iPad Pro that will run the iPhone 15 Pro game. When one wishes for “I wish Apple would focus on games”, they may do so in a way that still isn’t satisfying

 

[Macalicious2011]

You'll be waiting a long time, along with all the iPad as laptop replacement crowd.

Yupp.

I am curious if this will work via thunderbolt cable to USB-C capable displays??

I have this OLED 4k 15.6" travel monitor which is the perfect travel companion to my 16" M2 Max MBP. Link here (Bought mine off amazon for much cheaper by "Innocn" but they can not be found anymore)

I can use either Mini-HDMI or USB-C(which allows touch screen functionality on my Mac!). The touch is not amazing 10-point touch like it would be on Windows, but I really don't care about that and mostly use a short, very flexible HDMI-minHDMI from my MacBook which does not support touch.

The display doesn't support HDR, but compared to the XDR of the new MBP, it is amazingly close. Compared to my 15" 2018 MBP, it blows that screen away.

It would be pretty amazing if I can connect the new iPhone to this with a TB 3 or 4 cable alone(like I can from my MBP) and have it mirror and even support touch... I doubt it, but that could be awesome.

If not, adapters can make this thing pretty great for movies on planes, gaming with the iPhone(this display has crazy good response times).

I'll post next week when I get the 15 PM

I have a portable 15.4 inch monitor too, and a 24inch Type-C monitor that I use with my M1 MacBook Pro, it also delivers 60watts of power. Since I purchased it, I have not charged my MacBook with its original charger which I mainly use to fast charge my M1 iPad.

Gotta love USB-C!

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Yupp. Imagine only owning an iPhone Pro Max. Use it as a phone, tablet and casual computer. Perfect for developing markets where many can only afford to own a single device.

There wouldn’t be a physical way to use it as a tablet and if they’ve only got one device, they unlikely to have a keyboard/mouse/monitor.

 

[Ex animo]

For those talking about Dex, as someone who has touched it over the years and now has it on their S23 Ultra backup phone... it's finally pretty amazing. At least as good as a Chromebook, likely better. I just took a trip for a week with nothing but it, my iPad Pro, and my iPhone and I used Dex all day every day for all sorts of tasks. I was taking Teams calls, editing documents, sharing my screen, recording webinars, and more without a single hiccup.

An Apple version of that (and not Stage Manager but a proper desktop) would be extremely welcome. I also think it's very unlikely. Google is rolling out their desktop mode on the Pixel in 3-5 weeks with the Pixel 8 launch and have been baking it into Android, so it's only a matter of time before *some* sort of desktop mode becomes table stakes. Not today, probably not next year, but in 3-4 it's possible. 5+ definitely.

For those talking about Dex, as someone who has touched it over the years and now has it on their S23 Ultra backup phone... it's finally pretty amazing. At least as good as a Chromebook, likely better. I just took a trip for a week with nothing but it, my iPad Pro, and my iPhone and I used Dex all day every day for all sorts of tasks. I was taking Teams calls, editing documents, sharing my screen, recording webinars, and more without a single hiccup.

An Apple version of that (and not Stage Manager but a proper desktop) would be extremely welcome. I also think it's very unlikely. Google is rolling out their desktop mode on the Pixel in 3-5 weeks with the Pixel 8 launch and have been baking it into Android, so it's only a matter of time before *some* sort of desktop mode becomes table stakes. Not today, probably not next year, but in 3-4 it's possible. 5+ definitely.

As all of my work is browser based, I tried very hard to use DeX as my all-in-one to replace my Macbook and it‘s no where near as good as a Chromebook namely because of size and hardware limitation. Battery life couldn't get through 4 classes in a row like my Macbook (and I’m sure Chromebook) easily could and 5 different Android browsers weren’t able to function like I needed them to for Google Suite work as there were weird problems where I couldn’t type on Gslides or Gsheets within the browser. It was frustrating when forced to use different apps to get things to work and completely ruined my workflow. Even little things; when plugging and unplugging from the dock in my office I had to reestablish my bluetooth earphones or the jump between Desktop-like apps and phone like apps was finicky.

As far as workflow, Safari on iPadOS with a non-m chip was surprisingly slightly better than DeX, but still ran into similar issues with browser interfaces after longer use, not to mention the resolution was hysterically bad. I can’t speak for M-based iPads, but it seems like stage Manager is a far cry from MacOS.

The reason I’m on this post is because I was curious if this new phone and chip could be the all-in-one device I’ve been looking for, but the more I read, the more I doubt it. I truly believed that we were close to the small, all-in-one device, but after trying DeX, I really don‘t think we are. It’s not that it or other A-chips can’t do it, but rather how efficiently it can do it. There is a struggle between hardware and software issues, but hardware is, unfortunately, the bigger of the two. I have a feeling with this new 2nm process, the phone would heat up really fast and unload and degrade the already much smaller battery even quicker and just wouldn’t work the same way that we expect our laptops (or tablets) to work.

 

[xxFoxtail]

The capability is here now for Stage Manager on the iPhone. It would be awesome to plug an iPhone into a monitor and connect a mouse and keyboard to use it like an iOS desktop. Apple would probably lose a lot of iPad and Mac sales which is why I’m sure we don’t have this now, but hopefully we get it in the near future.

You can kind of mimic this with Shadow PC. They allow you to run a cloud Windows PC full screen on an external screen from an iPhone. Lightning only output it to 1080p and some latency. I’m wondering if 4K will work with it. Last time I checked, it was bugged and the mouse wasn’t working correctly on the iPhone version of the app though.

 

[Channan]

“I’m comfy on my couch, but would really like to browse the web on a larger screen. Since I replaced all my devices with this phone, let me get up, grab a cable, connect it to my television… oh the cable’s not long enough, I’ll move the couch closer… hmm, still too short to lie back, so I’ll sit up straight and, since my television isn’t touch, I’ll use the phone like a trackpad.”

“Yes, in almost every way this experience is better than when I had the iPad!”

You actually spent time typing all of that because you thought I said it would replace the iPad? That is too funny.

 

[corinthos]

Very little chance Apple brings Stage Manager to iPhone. They won't believe in the use case being worth the effort, because the majority of their customer base won't likely use it. Plus, it'll eat into the sales of their other products if they do.

They already gimped iPad Pro, even with Stage Manager, which is a watered down solution.

 

[xxFoxtail]

There are foldable blue toothkeyboards with track pads

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The two that I’ve tried are garbage. Within a month, the left side of the keyboard completely stopped working.

When they did work, they worked pretty well on my iPhone.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

You actually spent time typing all of that because you thought I said it would replace the iPad? That is too funny.

No, I typed that because someone wrote “Apple would probably lose a lot of iPad and Mac sales”. THAT is funny

 

[adam1080]

Yupp.

I have a portable 15.4 inch monitor too, and a 24inch Type-C monitor that I use with my M1 MacBook Pro, it also delivers 60watts of power. Since I purchased it, I have not charged my MacBook with its original charger which I mainly use to fast charge my M1 iPad.

Gotta love USB-C!

I picked up 4 LG 5k UltraFine 27" displays for a steal from a Graphic Design company that went out of business. They are a MacBook user's dream. I bought 4 of these for less than half of a new "Studio Display" and the specs of the display are the same. (i'l live with a worse camera, speakers and no A13 BionicChip.)

Via USB-C(Thunderbolt only) with I think are 80W charging per monitor. I only use my 140w Apple charger when I travel. it's great just to plug the USB-C cables into my MBP and get to work at my desk.

I am still surprised I am not seeing people talk/speculate about the iPhone 15 Pros being able to display via TB3 USB-C cables to USB-C displays versus DisplayPort or HDMI/dongle.

Is no one else excited as me if that is possible? One less dongle and possible touch capacity on another display(like MBPs technically do over USB-C...)

 

[marzbarz]

Wrong.

It will be very useful for vlogging and content creation. You can have the iphone cameras facing you whilst the phone is plugged into your monitor for use as a view finder. This will allow you to record whilst having visibility that:

-You are in the frame
-The screen is not smudgy
-The phone is recording

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No you're wrong.

You can already do that with lightning -> hdmi. Vloggers are not going to need 4k hdr for a portable monitor, the Ninja V doesn't even display at 4k.

 

[Channan]

No, I typed that because someone wrote “Apple would probably lose a lot of iPad and Mac sales”. THAT is funny

Please share what you think is a better reason for why Apple doesn’t bring a useful feature to iOS that they already have written for iPadOS. I’ll wait.

 

[jakey rolling]

“I’m comfy on my couch, but would really like to browse the web on a larger screen. Since I replaced all my devices with this phone, let me get up, grab a cable, connect it to my television… oh the cable’s not long enough, I’ll move the couch closer… hmm, still too short to lie back, so I’ll sit up straight and, since my television isn’t touch, I’ll use the phone like a trackpad.”

“Yes, in almost every way this experience is better than when I had the iPad!”

So, a few things:

1) You can connect a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to the phone. So if you use a cable to connect to the TV and leave the phone on the TV stand, you can then just use a keyboard and mouse wirelessly with it.

Note, the on-screen keyboard is pretty trash, so a Bluetooth keyboard is pretty much a necessity if using Dex, anyway.

2) You can use Dex over Screen Cast - no need for a cable to the TV at all, if you really want to keep the phone with you.

3) Yes, the phone does indeed become a touchpad when in Dex mode. Though again, you can still use a mouse with it if you really want to.

 

[Will Co]

I know this is anecdotal and just my case, but I do often have a screen, keyboard and mouse on the other end. So yes, it would still limit doing things in meetings, but I might be able to pull off most of the stuff anyway. And I'd just leave all the bags home on day trips.

We can dream…

 

[rillrill]

For those talking about Dex, as someone who has touched it over the years and now has it on their S23 Ultra backup phone... it's finally pretty amazing. At least as good as a Chromebook, likely better. I just took a trip for a week with nothing but it, my iPad Pro, and my iPhone and I used Dex all day every day for all sorts of tasks. I was taking Teams calls, editing documents, sharing my screen, recording webinars, and more without a single hiccup.

An Apple version of that (and not Stage Manager but a proper desktop) would be extremely welcome. I also think it's very unlikely. Google is rolling out their desktop mode on the Pixel in 3-5 weeks with the Pixel 8 launch and have been baking it into Android, so it's only a matter of time before *some* sort of desktop mode becomes table stakes. Not today, probably not next year, but in 3-4 it's possible. 5+ definitely.

Hey, is that true about a Google Pixel desktop mode? Do you have a reference or link to a news story about that? I am seriously considering either switching to a Samsung Fold because of that feature, among many others. Or at least getting it as a second phone and ditching the iPad Pro. I do think I prefer the Pixel Fold aspect ratio though.

 

[CarAnalogy]

Ok, serious question: is it becoming possible to use the iPhone Pro as a sort of desktop computer?

Think about it: A17 Pro chip, 8GB Ram, up to 1TB storage, USB 3 speeds... hook it up to a 4k display, with a USB-C hub you could also use a wired keyboard + mouse while charging the device.

I've been dreaming of the 1-device-for-everything solution for a while. I think specs-wise, we're almost there. The only thing we'd still need would be support for custom display resolutions, and better mouse support.

This has been tried for a decade now and it comes down to the fact that good desktop operating systems don’t make good mobile operating systems and vice versa. The limitations that are good for mobile are bad for desktop. The full desktop, file system access, high precision pointer etc are good for desktop and not for mobile.

Don’t forget Windows 8. I hope Apple stays the course in keeping a clear separation between mobile and “desktop” operating systems. There’s a lot of powerful “legacy” there that has no replacement.

Now if you’re talking thin clients for end users then yes I think the iPad/iPhone is almost there with the right accessories and software.