All things vaping...

[Gav2k]

** mod note, I don't know if this should be considered a prsi thread as opinions vary on 'vaping' **

Good morning guys,

Well I'm new to this whole vaping thing, I used a cheap supermarket clearomizer to quit smoking and now I'm taking my 'habit' into the big world of vaping.

YouTube has been a massive help on this and I've been watching a lot of videos by RiP Trippers which cover everything from the basics to very advanced stuff.

I've just received a kanger tech subvod kit as a step up from the cheapass thing I was using before, I wanted to to take this step before before getting my head around mods etc, I've got 1.5ohm coils to start as I like mouth to lung but I do have 0.5ohm coils to move over when I'm ready.

Juices juices juices, this is where I struggle. I used a tobacco flavoured ejuice with my clearomizer to quit smoking and now I'm overwhelmed by the choices. I plan on going up town in a couple of weeks to a juice cafe to try a few rather than spend a fortune on random juices as I don't really know what I like and don't like.

Anyway thought I'd put it out there and see what you guys like/don't like.

Gav

 

[shinji]

I use an Innokin iSub G with 0.5 ohm coils. You'll almost certainly want to stick with sub-ohming once you try it, though it took me a while to.

For when you do switch, you'll need different juice. I was using 50/50 18 mg before and switched to 20/80 (sweet spot for sub-ohming capable clearos) 6 mg. And you likely already know this, but sub-ohming uses much more juice...I went from 2-3 ml/day to 7-8 ml/day.

I like http://www.giantvapes.com for higher end juice and http://www.mtbakervapor.com for bulk juice. If you like tobacco flavors though, http://www.halocigs.com now has a line of high VG juices intended for sub-ohming. Tribeca used to be my favorite juice, but over time I moved away from tobacco flavors.

And congrats on quitting smoking.

 

[Gav2k]

I use an Innokin iSub G with 0.5 ohm coils. You'll almost certainly want to stick with sub-ohming once you try it, though it took me a while to.

For when you do switch, you'll need different juice. I was using 50/50 18 mg before and switched to 20/80 (sweet spot for sub-ohming capable clearos) 6 mg. And you likely already know this, but sub-ohming uses much more juice...I went from 2-3 ml/day to 7-8 ml/day.

I like http://www.giantvapes.com for higher end juice and http://www.mtbakervapor.com for bulk juice. If you like tobacco flavors though, http://www.halocigs.com now has a line of high VG juices intended for sub-ohming. Tribeca used to be my favorite juice, but over time I moved away from tobacco flavors.

And congrats on quitting smoking.

Thanks. It's good to be off them.

I'm based in the uk so American brands are harder to get.

I've ordered a couple of flavours that should be arriving today. Both are higher vg and both are 3mg nicotine.

 

[Blujelly]

I'm currently using a Aspire CF VV with a 2ml tank, currently using a liquid called Heisenberg I'd recommend that if you like things a bit fruity with a minty twist....

Battery life is good on it, I'd say about 3 days before it needs a charge, I'm not ready to transfer over to the walkie talkie e-cig's yet.

 

[Gav2k]

I'm currently using a Aspire CF VV with a 2ml tank, currently using a liquid called Heisenberg I'd recommend that if you like things a bit fruity with a minty twist....

Battery life is good on it, I'd say about 3 days before it needs a charge, I'm not ready to transfer over to the walkie talkie e-cig's yet.

That's why I went with the subvod (picture below). I'm not a menthol kind of person... Fruity? I'll find out today lol



I've got the u.s version of the above with the larger tank.

 

[Blujelly]

That's why I went with the subvod (picture below). I'm not a menthol kind of person... Fruity? I'll find out today lol

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I've got the u.s version of the above with the larger tank.

Yeah looks very similar to mine, I assume you're not based in the UK, but the link below is where I get mine from.

That's also the Heisenberg one that I'm currently using.

http://www.vapeclub.co.uk/vampire-vape-e-liquid/heisenberg-high-vg-e-liquid-by-vampire-vape.html

 

[OllyW]

** mod note, I don't know if this should be considered a prsi thread as opinions vary on 'vaping' **

It should be fine here but let's see how the discussion develops. I'm more worried the thread will attract the attention of spammers.

 

[Gav2k]

Yeah looks very similar to mine, I assume you're not based in the UK, but the link below is where I get mine from.

That's also the Heisenberg one that I'm currently using.

http://www.vapeclub.co.uk/vampire-vape-e-liquid/heisenberg-high-vg-e-liquid-by-vampire-vape.html

Vapeclub is where I got my subvod from. I was lucky they chose to stock the u.s version. My juice is coming from them today also. Lol. I'll have a look at your link

 

[Gav2k]

Well my juices arrived 'Charlie's chalk dust honey badger' and '13th floor django' and I'll be passing on both. Have a strawberry one arriving tomorrow. If I don't like that then I'll be off to a juice cafe in London.

In all fairness I could stick with my cheapo clearomizer. It's only £3 for 10ml of tobacco flavour which is good value for money but it just leaves me wanting a bit more.

 

[sdilley14]

Have there been any conclusive studies done that have proven vaping to be less dangerous than smoking? On the surface it seems pretty obvious that inhaling almost anything is safer than inhaling cigarette smoke...but have there been studies or proof shown that vaping is actually safer? I keep hearing conflicting reports - one source will say that vaping is perfectly safe and fine, and another source will state the opposite. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers by bringing this up, would just like to be better educated on the subject.

 

[A.Goldberg]

Have there been any conclusive studies done that have proven vaping to be less dangerous than smoking? On the surface it seems pretty obvious that inhaling almost anything is safer than inhaling cigarette smoke...but have there been studies or proof shown that vaping is actually safer? I keep hearing conflicting reports - one source will say that vaping is perfectly safe and fine, and another source will state the opposite. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers by bringing this up, would just like to be better educated on the subject.

Nothing yet, but it will likely take decades to have any conclusive results. That's not a good excuse to start if you're not already smoking.

Smoke, whichever way you cut it is harmful- whether it's tobacco- cigarettes, cigars, l hookah, or weed or burning wood. Users of E-cigs and "vapes" are inhaling vapor (nicotine, flavoring, and water) which in theory is safer.

That said, nicotine inherently is found to have some negative health consequences, including possible tumor promotion factors and the fact it is sticky (sticky gunk in blood usually isn't good).

There is also the concern of possible contamination of "vape juice", especislly in places with little health regulation (aka China) - but even in US these products have zero regulation.

There isn't much research out yet regarding their efficacy as a smoking cessation tool, but I would suspect they're not much more effective than tapering cigarettes. The pharmakokinetic profile is essentially the same as cigarettes which makes them a better substite than cessation tool.

I don't believe someone should pick up smoking one who has never smoked because they think they are somehow not harmful. While there isn't concrete evidence on long term effects of vaping, it's plausible nicotine and other chemicals within the "juice" do. Again, with zero regulation, no one really knows what they're getting. It's also not advisable to pick up a highly addictive substance in the first place. While nicotine is not heroin in terms of its ability to quickly destroy lives, it's a waste of money that has really no practical benefits (and don't say anxiety, as that's been proven not to be the case) and is extremely tough to kick.

I don't smoke but I have a plethora of patients who do, spending a good deal of my time in the addiction treatment field of psychiatry not to mentioning doing smoke cessation consults when I worked for the VA. They seem to at least be no worse than smoking ordinary cigarettes.

That said, I can't stand when I see people smoke these things inside. Sorry, but while they don't smell as bad as cigarettes, they do smell, the smell gives me a headache, and the plumes of vapor followed by a light haze (that will set off fire alarms) are distracting and drives me nuts. Please just vape outside.

That's my well balanced opinion from a clinical standpoint (Clinical Psychiatric PharmD).

 

[caoimhin]

I don't believe someone should pick up smoking one who has never smoked because they think they are somehow not harmful. While there isn't concrete evidence on long term effects of vaping, it's plausible nicotine and other chemicals within the "juice" do.

My instinct is that non-tobacco smokers may be attracted to vaping for various reasons. It can taste sweet and pleasant. It has an emerging subculture. It's being aggressively promoted (pop-up shops all around the US and UK) as a "hobby". In a way, it's similar to hookah smoking. Some might argue that there's some cache to it.

Indeed, maybe the "juice" -- which is really a benign name for something we know very little about -- is less harmful than traditional tobacco. But if a non-smoker picks up vaping as a habit/hobby, that person may be developing a nicotine addiction that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

 

[Huntn]

Thread revival...
Do you vape, do you know someone who vapes and does it cause issues for you or them?

I just discovered my 19 year old Grandson, the one who dropped out of high school in his senior year after failing 2 courses and not graduating, is vaping. He’s visiting us to see if we can get him motivated to complete his GED. I might argue that vaping is better than smoking, but it appears he takes about 20 hits a day. I asked him what is the attraction to nicotine, and he said a friend offered to to him, it made him feel tingly, and that was it, he was addicted. I’ve decided to let it go for now, because we want to stay focused on the GED. I’m going to seek a GED thread to discuss that or start a new one.

 

[acorntoy]

Thread revival...
Do you vape, do you know someone who vapes and does it cause issues for you or them?

I just discovered my 19 year old Grandson, the one who dropped out of high school in his senior year after failing 2 courses and not graduating, is vaping. He’s visiting us to see if we can get him motivated to complete his GED. I might argue that vaping is better than smoking, but it appears he takes about 20 hits a day. I asked him what is the attraction to nicotine, and he said a friend offered to to him, it made him feel tingly, and that was it, he was addicted. I’ve decided to let it go for now, because we want to stay focused on the GED. I’m going to seek a GED thread to discuss that or start a new one.

To start: If you want to continue a conversation like this id suggesting including it in the new thread with the GED, talking about problems/issues with something around people who are advocates usually leads to some unwanted friction.

I started Vaping at 16 in 2015, Stopped in 2019 when a friend who didn't like it tragically passed as a homage.

Ironically I did it partly because I was taking 13hrs of school a day and I needed something to energize me, id be exhausted falling asleep in class, go take a hit or two, and i'd be attentive for the next hour. Eventually it did turn into a full flung addiction, but I honestly don't think the nicotine itself is causing school problems (the "friends" that introduced him to it, well that's a different story..."). 20 hits a day is not bad, these aren't as nearly as strong or satisfying as a cigarette and because of that it leads you to be taking hits all day instead of simply smoking a cig every 1-5 hours. I'd honestly ask if he feels overwhelmed by life or politely ask why he needs a vice this young, you don't usually go that route that young unless you are trying to escape. If he's struggling with other problems it will just make schooling and the addiction harder. Going for the GED first in my opinion is the right thing to do.

 

[Huntn]

I started Vaping at 16 in 2015, Stopped in 2019 when a friend who didn't like it tragically passed as a homage.

Ironically I did it partly because I was taking 13hrs of school a day and I needed something to energize me, id be exhausted falling asleep in class, go take a hit or two, and i'd be attentive for the next hour. Eventually it did turn into a full flung addiction, but I honestly don't think the nicotine itself is causing school problems (the "friends" that introduced him to it, well that's a different story..."). 20 hits a day is not bad, these aren't as nearly as strong or satisfying as a cigarette and because of that it leads you to be taking hits all day instead of simply smoking a cig every 1-5 hours. I'd honestly ask if he feels overwhelmed by life or politely ask why he needs a vice this young, you don't usually go that route that young unless you are trying to escape. If he's struggling with other problems it will just make schooling and the addiction harder. Going for the GED first in my opinion is the right thing to do.

He is struggling, was diagnosed with ADHD and suffers from mood swings and depression. His parents are separated, both work, and getting divorced. He does not know what he wants to do with his life, he’s a smart kid, and his dropping out of school blind sided us. He re-attended and failed again the following Fall for his lack of interest, then COVID 19 hit and I think he’s out of the loop now to go back and really can’t depend on either of his parents to see this though.

He appears to be one of these kids at the stage where he knows more than anyone else, yet he’s stuck living in his father’s basement, currently going nowhere. We’ve thought we’d wait and see how long before he gets sick of that situation.

So now he has expressed a desire to move ahead, we are going to give it a shot and see what happens, but we won’t be putting up with any BS for very long.