All Three Major U.S. Carriers and Google Adopt Rich Communication Services, But No Sign of Apple Interest

[Deguello]

It’s not a standard, it’s a protocol Google advocates, why would you expect Apple to help with making its competitor’s technology a standard? Apple has its own technology that it wants to make an industry standard, Google doesn’t help with any of those, either.

Apple has purposefully not ported imessage to android specifically to aid in lock-in to Apple. What technology here are you talking about that Apple wants to make a standard?

 

[Deguello]

Perhaps you didn't comprehend what I said. I acknoledged the security, but mentioned that G will still have access to the messages, thus no privacy.

Can you explain how Google will have access to these messages sent on AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile?

 

[alchemistmuffin]

Apple has declined to comment on RCS, and there's no sign that Apple plans to adopt it in the near future.

And they have zero plans in doing so period, because iMessages is MUCH MUCH more encrypted and secure than RCS will be.


Apple would rather release iMessages for Android and then completely eliminate SMS functions on iOS, iPadOS AND macOS than release RCS on these platforms. It simply does not align with Apple’s privacy policy.

 

[JM]

Armchair CEO here. Apple, get your head out your *** and get on board. If I have to use SMS because your snobbery won’t be bothered with working with RCS…. That’ll be a very bad look and not in line with your “commitment to privacy”

 

[Wildkraut]

Today from The Sun:
"GOOGLE allegedly admitted to listening to conversations recorded by Google Assistant even without a user's "Hey Google" trigger"

Google is the world's biggest advertiser. The lion's share of its huge revenue comes from gathering as much data on a user as possible to monetize that knowledge of each specific user. The more data it can gather on it the more the revenue. This is public record, it is not a secret.
Gee, what could go wrong with massive incentivizing of gathering as much data on a user as possible.

CNBC - PUBLISHED WED, AUG 28 2019 11:10 AM EDT
"Apple apologizes for listening to Siri conversations"

 

[sw1tcher]

Today from The Sun:
"GOOGLE allegedly admitted to listening to conversations recorded by Google Assistant even without a user's "Hey Google" trigger"

😗

Apple contractors 'regularly hear confidential details' on Siri recordings

Workers hear drug deals, medical details and people having sex, says whistleblower

www.theguardian.com

Apple apologises for allowing workers to listen to Siri recordings

Contractors graded accidental activations including recordings of users having sex

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deguello]

And they have zero plans in doing so period, because iMessages is MUCH MUCH more encrypted and secure than RCS will be.


Apple would rather release iMessages for Android and then completely eliminate SMS functions on iOS, iPadOS AND macOS than release RCS on these platforms. It simply does not align with Apple’s privacy policy.

Can you point me to something, anything, indicating Apple has any interest in iMessage for Android?

 

[One2Grift]

Which, again, has nothing to do with implementation of the protocol by the three major carriers.

But has precisely to do with my response post about security ("security" being mentioned in the article) as well as how much Google can be trusted (by another poster, hence my response).
1. don't like content of reply, don't read it. 2 since you did, while reading isn't required but it is almost always helpful.

 

[raindogg]

I don't think Apple cares about security, they really just want the world to buy their products. Apple would rather have people buy an iPhone and use iMessages, than RCS.

I had an android for a while and have been following the RCS talk for years, then got tired of waiting and bought an iPhone 11.

Apple got their way.

 

[twolf2919]

Which has nothing at all do do with the three major carriers using this rather than SMS.

The point, I think he's making, is that Google owns the "RCS App", so it 'sees' the unencrypted information sent and received. Therefore, it could use it for its ad empire.

 

[Deguello]

But has precisely to do with my response post about security ("security" being mentioned in the article) as well as how much Google can be trusted (by another poster, hence my response).
1. don't like content of reply, don't read it. 2 since you did, while reading isn't required but it is almost always helpful.

You don’t have to trust Google to trust your cell provider. Your position is tantamount to saying HTTP is bad because you don’t trust one of the companies involved in its creation.

Neither Google, nor your opinion of Google, has anything to do with the implementation of this standard by other companies.

 

[sir1963nz]

Dear US Citizens, you make up 4% of the worlds population.
What 3 carriers do in the USA is fairly much irrelevant to the rest of the world.

 

[Deguello]

The point, I think he's making, is that Google owns the "RCS App", so it 'sees' the unencrypted information sent and received. Therefore, it could use it for its ad empire.

That’s not a point, that’s utter ignorance of what’s involved here.

It‘s a protocol to replace SMS, not an app that google owns.

 

[_Spinn_]

I get that Apple wants everyone to use iMessage but supporting RCS would help with privacy when messaging people on Android.

 

[sir1963nz]

The point, I think he's making, is that Google owns the "RCS App", so it 'sees' the unencrypted information sent and received. Therefore, it could use it for its ad empire.

End to end encryption "should" stop Google from reading what is in the message.
BUT its all the meta information that just as important, Who sent it, Who received it, Where were they, What time, how large (txt, picture, video ), what device specs (Brand, Model), how often these 2 exchange messages, etc etc etc.

 

[The Oak]

RCS is a protocol, but Google Messages is a service that utilizes Google servers.

RCS is END to END encrypted. It won' matter what servers the messages moves through.

 

[Naraxus]

Security and privacy? From Google? El oh el

 

[One2Grift]

😗

Apple contractors 'regularly hear confidential details' on Siri recordings

Workers hear drug deals, medical details and people having sex, says whistleblower

www.theguardian.com

Apple apologises for allowing workers to listen to Siri recordings

Contractors graded accidental activations including recordings of users having sex

www.theguardian.com

Ah, the 'they're all do it, they're all the same, don't bother with that security thing'.

A voice activated mic that connects to corporate servers will do just that, for better or for worse. Apple isn't sainthood embodied, they're a for profit corporation. Yet one company doesn't monetize that data and will in September be providing local voice activated mic. No return voice activated traffic if you decide. The other company gathers as much data as possible including words spoken to the mic and accidental words spoken to the mic. Recorded and used (see the court case in California). The revenue value of that is above the revenue of Samsung Electronics the company.

Here's a great exercise for all of you 'see! they are all the same'. It's very easy to do except getting the file from one of the companies due to the size of the file. Both Apple and Google will provide your data included words recorded on voice activation. It's free, links are available. I can provide them, I've already done it.
Fyi, one company in their data will not have recorded voice (among countless other items no recorded). One company will have a file size staggeringly huge and you will get to see all kinds of things you've said, typed to contacts, everywhere you've gone, everything you've ever searched for -- to name some of the many goodies. A walk down memory lane.
Will those making the 'they all do it' claim back it up or are they just a lot of bravado on the internet?

 

[Premium1]

Apple has not been and likely won't be an early adopter. If this works out as described post deployment, Apple will adopt the standard unless its a threat in some way to iMessage. It could be since the ad for iMessage is security vs SMS which would go away. Still, I think in the end, it will be adopted.

Lol this has been out for years so they would be far from an "early adopter." Also this does nothing but further enhances iMessage (encrypts it so even if you are messaging say someone with Google Messages your messages would be end to end encrypted, which isn't the case now hence the "green bubble stigma."

 

[Deguello]

End to end encryption "should" stop Google from reading what is in the message.
BUT its all the meta information that just as important, Who sent it, Who received it, Where were they, What time, how large (txt, picture, video ), what device specs (Brand, Model), how often these 2 exchange messages, etc etc etc.

Can you explain why you think these messages will involve google the all if they’re sent and received from and by people on AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile? Do you think google gets your SMS stuff now?

 

[planteater]

RCS is END to END encrypted. It won' matter what servers the messages moves through.

And who has the key? lol.

 

[falainber]

It’s not a standard, it’s a protocol Google advocates, why would you expect Apple to help with making its competitor’s technology a standard? Apple has its own technology that it wants to make an industry standard, Google doesn’t help with any of those, either.

Google (and others) advocate for this protocol but it's not a Google protocol.

 

[falainber]

As usual, Apple customers will be the last to get new tech.

 

[Minato1990]

ehhh keep iMessage so I can separate myself from the non Apple users

 

[smoking monkey]

I doubt anybody under the age of 65 uses SMS anymore anyway. When I do, it's only to reply to somebody with an Android phone over the age of 65 who doesn't have Signal. Are there many situations where SMS is still used? companies use it still to contact you? Banks, airlines etc. I guess.