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I can't get past the 13 minute mark on this crap. This is a horrible movie, badly written and acted and narrated. He is so smarmy it makes me want to punch him. Sad thing is, I agree with everything he's said so far but this movie blows. Really? You had to stand in front of a mcdonalds to "prove" that no one forces you to eat there? I'll watch more later, maybe it gets better...
 
a carnivore eating mcdonald's hamburgers every day, or someone subsisting on rice alone will face horrific health consequences (obesity,

Again, no. You can eat McDonald's or Rice as your only food every day, every meal and not gain a pound. It all depends on how many calories you take in.

You won't become obese with a calorie deficit, that's just beyond the laws of physics. McDonald's doesn't make you fat, it's your calorie surplus that does. McDonald's is just rich in calories and thus needs to either be counter balanced or properly managed.
 
Again, no. You can eat McDonald's or Rice as your only food every day, every meal and not gain a pound. It all depends on how many calories you take in.

You won't become obese with a calorie deficit, that's just beyond the laws of physics. McDonald's doesn't make you fat, it's your calorie surplus that does. McDonald's is just rich in calories and thus needs to either be counter balanced or properly managed.

I agree completely, but would also like to add that the type of food being eaten does have an impact because of its makeup. Things like nuts have a fair bit of calories but are treated differently by the body than, say, the same amount of calories from a candy bar.
 
You know anyone at WETA by chance? My Sis works there.
I hate these theads too for topic.

WETA the FX house? Or WETA the Washington DC public TV station?

I know a shooter in New Zealand who's working on the Hobbit, aside from that...noone at WETA specifically.


I'll watch more later, maybe it gets better...

It doesn't. It's production "value" is so low it's unbearable. The guy is such an asshat that I can barely listen to him. I agree with the premise to a point, but the fact of the matter is, what KIND of food you eat, and how your body specifically handles that food makes a huge difference. And yes, consuming more calories than you use does make you gain weight overall, it's simple physics.
 
I agree completely, but would also like to add that the type of food being eaten does have an impact because of its makeup. Things like nuts have a fair bit of calories but are treated differently by the body than, say, the same amount of calories from a candy bar.

A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. There is no difference in how the body treats it. The difference will be in the "hunger" you feel. Some calories are very empty, leaving you with quite the surplus but feeling like you need to eat more.

The difference is not in the calories per say, which is a unit of energy. The difference is in how your body reacts to the food and makes you ingest either too many or too little calories if you go by "hunger" alone. If you count calories, the only problem you can have is feeling less than satiated.
 
The guy in that movie is incredibly dislikable, and his message is trivial. Yet he looks like the cat that got the cream all the time...
 
A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. There is no difference in how the body treats it.

There is. For example protein can be used to build muscle, whereas simple carbs are more or less useless to our body in terms of muscle growth. You won't gain fat unless you eat too many calories, but the quality of calories is also important.
 
A calorie is a calorie is a calorie. There is no difference in how the body treats it. The difference will be in the "hunger" you feel. Some calories are very empty, leaving you with quite the surplus but feeling like you need to eat more.

The difference is not in the calories per say, which is a unit of energy. The difference is in how your body reacts to the food and makes you ingest either too many or too little calories if you go by "hunger" alone. If you count calories, the only problem you can have is feeling less than satiated.

Let me clarify, the satiation factor is what I was getting at, but totally forgot the word for it :p

You will feel better eating the so called "good calories" than sugar filled products that will make you hungry just a short time afterwords.

I'm in complete agreement with you, but just wanted to bring up some of the qualitative differences in eating crap ("bad calories") and eating healthier foods ("good calories"). You will feel better and satiated longer with the "good calories". Sorry for the confusion.
 
Let me clarify, the satiation factor is what I was getting at, but totally forgot the word for it :p

You will feel better eating the so called "good calories" than sugar filled products that will make you hungry just a short time afterwords.

I'm in complete agreement with you, but just wanted to bring up some of the qualitative differences in eating crap ("bad calories") and eating healthier foods ("good calories"). You will feel better and satiated longer with the "good calories". Sorry for the confusion.

Well, we're saying the same thing, I just don't refer to it as "bad" or "good" calories, because it gives the impression to less informed people that there is actually a difference in let's say a fruit calorie and a meat calorie. They are the same thing, they just give your body different signals.

However, it's wrong to say that even the "empty" calories are bad. Usually, we're talking about high-carb calories that are mostly sugar based when saying "bad" calorie. However, even these products have value. After a good workout that involves a lot of energy expenditure (think swimming, running, cycling, elliptical or other cardio intensive workouts), sugar filled calories can quickly replenish your energy levels while also providing your muscles with a source of glycogen to replenish them. Ingesting a low carb - high protein calorie source after such an exercise would mostly be usually as the workout didn't really destroy your muscles like a weight-training or other strength-based workout would have.

While both could provide the same amount of calories, and the weight gain/loss effect would be the same for both, one or the other will result in a difference in your body. One might help you burn fat and leave you feeling relaxed and ready for more while the other might result in you burning some muscle mass and leaving you tired.

That's why I bring 2 supplements with me to the gym : One high-glucose source of energy for post-cardio and one high-protein supplement for post muscle training. I balance out each to give me proper sugar, protein and calories as to not mess with my weight and leave my body fully functional when I step out of the gym, ready for chores at home or a night out with friends.

There is. For example protein can be used to build muscle, whereas simple carbs are more or less useless to our body in terms of muscle growth. You won't gain fat unless you eat too many calories, but the quality of calories is also important.

I should have clarified a bit more : There is no difference as far as body weight goes in a calorie. A calorie is a calorie as far as your weight gain/loss is concerned. How you gain/lose weight will depend on the type of nutriments found in that calorie and the type of nutriments your body needs (over-dosing on proteins won't magically make muscles appear, it'll just result in high protein based piss coming out while your body will still be gaining fat if you ingest more calories than you spend).
 
40 minutes in...jesus h., it gets worse the more I agree with him! That's hard to do. I agree with him about lawyers and labeling and telling people what to eat but he is such a d-bag, I want to disagree with him! That's a hard thing to do. Make a movie so bad, people who are on your side, hate you. God the only way this can get better if the "star" ends up like gwyneth paltrow did in Seven.
 
Some great stuff in this thread. I have read other "vegan" threads that essentially boil down to "you're a jerk.... no, you're a jerk"

This one has some terrific and AUTHORITATIVE in formation.

Thanks especially to NT1440 and KnightWRX. I have some minor knowledge on the subject, and your posts were right on the mark, respectful, and a joy to read.

Thanks...:D
 
Nice circle jerk there. ;)

Birds of a feather grow weak together. :D

Besides, how do you expect to create a really exceptional, wall-paper/paint-peeling, fart without animal protein??

:p

Well, I have to get off somehow :eek: :p

I'll match farts with anyone. After having Whipple surgery, my guts are so FU I can take the skin off your face.

BTW - I'm not a vegan. I could have the crappiest diet extant.
 
Finished. What a dick. But he brings up some great points. Now I'm worried about what I've been doing for the last few years. Trying all sorts of medication to get down my cholesterol levels and now am switching to a statin drug. According to these doctors, its not a smart thing to do. But according to everything I've been taught, it is. Who to trust? It seems like each side has experts and proof and how are we supposed to know who is correct?
 
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