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Yawn. who really listens to music out of phone speakers anyway?
I listen with my iPhone speakers every day. I listen to podcasts while I'm at home doing chores. I'm the only one home so I don't bother anyone and I don't have to mess with headphones that way. I have mixed feelings about four speakers though. Theoretically it might be louder but it would also be less directional. How much volume increase would I realize from the speakers facing away from me? We will see.
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As much as I Would miss the jack, it would make sense for it to be deleted, as it is becoming antiquated with Bluetooth and wireless.


I would be willing to purchase bluetooth headphones for myself (already have actually) but I'm not sure about doing so for the kids. They tend to go through headphones and bluetooth is more expensive than wired. I think deleting the headphone jack would cause Apple to loose a lot of younger, less
affluent, customers.
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Perfect! Now, an inconsiderate teen can disrupt an entire restaurant instead of just half of it.
This bothers me as much as the next person but I have to admit it is usually an adult or very young child blaring the noise. Teenagers are more likely to have headphones and be in their own world.
 
I have to eat a bit of crow because I was highly snarky and critical when I read Apple put 4 speakers in the iPP 9.7. My reasoning was that 4 tiny, close together speakers are more of a marketing gimmick as they are too small to provide quality and too close together to produce a stereo effect.

Well I bought an iPP last week and I was quite amazed at the increased clarity and volume compared to my iPad Air 2. Whatever combination of secret sauce Apple used the iPP sound is vastly improved. Which brings me to the iPhone. My iPhone 6 speaker is horrendous. I mostly talk via speakerphone but the speaker quality is so horrendous sometimes I wonder if I'm talking to a colony of honey bees.

So while I start jamming out with my iPhone, I would greatly appreciate a sound quality boost similar to what the iPP 9.7 has. But I wouldn't consider this a new feature as much as a bug fix - no pun intended.

Hmm, should I buy a iPP to upgrade from my iP Air 2? I wasn't thinking I would do that. But I do sometimes watch TV on my iPad, often without headphones. And I could get a bit of use out of the pencil if I can get a way to sign documents digitally.

But I have to think that your argument about speakers being close together has to be correct on a phone sized device.

And yes the iPhone's sound quality is pretty weak. My iPhone has always sounded worse than my Blackberry. Probably being a super thin device has always made the speaker a real challenge.
 
I am certain they will include one!!!!
Apple is CONSIDERABLY more concerned about alienating customers than you & I are.
(also, good on ya for rocking Porta Pros!!! a little gem known to soundhounds everywhere!!! better bass than a $200 pair of Beats, in the "world's BEST sub $50 headphone"! again.... I applaud your taste)

why thank you!
 
You probably said that when apple dropped the floppy and CD drive? Those were universally used too.
Everything is wireless now, why is the headphone jack an exception?
bluetooth cant replicate the audio quality i want. i use studio headphones daily listen to demo tracks and i need the same reproduction that i get from my other equipment.
 
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I will, but at the same time can you provide links that show my figures are incorrect then. As you obviously think they are.. I await your response..


Ah. There it is. You have ZERO credibility on any false statements you make and are trying to avoid the question, being you think your witty and smart. You can't wiggle your way out of this one. Thank you proving my point. If you reply again, please answer the question this time, as We all know how you look post after post.
 
If it's not deleted by the iPhone 7, then it it will most likely be obsolete by the "iPhone 8." As much as I Would miss the jack, it would make sense for it to be deleted, as it is becoming antiquated with Bluetooth and wireless.

Bluetooth IS wireless and if by antiquated you are gauging "better" on audio quality, the antiquated is FAR superior to this "the future" option all other things being equal. Is there room for Bluetooth to improve? Of course, but the best it could ever be is quality analog output, something we already have coming out of the 3.5mm jack today. For bluetooth to be better gauged by audio quality, it requires better DACs or better headphones, either of which could be accomplished by building the same better DAC inside the phone and having the same "better headphones" plugged into the antiquated jack. There is no magical way for Bluetooth 20 (years or decades from now) to deliver better sounding audio than what can come out of the "antiquated" as any such improvements still come down to playing analog into our ears.

My opinion: if this is about improving the quality of sound, build a better DAC inside the phone. Sound won't automatically get better because Apple "forces" bluetooth (or Lightning) upon us. It's the quality of the DAC inside or outside the phone that will drive most of the quality gains (or none therein). As is, all 3 options are already available in iPhone. Anyone who actually believes this "the future" superiority should- and can- already embrace the better "the future" option and enjoy it. Us fools who think 3.5mm is good/great/as good can keep foolishly clinging to the antiquated until our own ears help us hear the difference enough to choose to embrace "the future."

It will be lighting headphones instead of 3.5 mm and there will probably be a lightning to 3.5 mm adapter for people who want to keep there old headphones

For what, an extra $49.99 to make the phone able to do what it used to do "out of the box"? Slippery slope there. Same kind of thinking could then rationalize Apple kicking out the battery and camera next. Both could be add-ons sold separately too. And speaking of "old", battery and camera technology is more antiquated than 3.5mm jack, so if the "old" needs to slide on down that slope, those 2 could really be fitting ejection followups.

And can we all really roll so easily with the idea of having a "tail" hanging out of the bottom of our iPhones? OR, if we buy Lightning phones, can we all really roll so easily to having another kind of adapter hanging out of the side of our Macs?

And if USB3 takes off on "everything else" as is likely such that maybe 3.5mm actually does fade out, do we really want to juggle several adapters to cover all bases with one set of headphones? OR, do we really want to lug along more than one set of headphones to be ready for the fractured mix of jacks we may encounter when we travel?

This is such a mess. None of us should be so quick to roll with this if it comes to be. Even the most diehard Apple fan simply must encounter occasions where they would want to plug their headphones into a non-lightning jack (look at your Macs right now). Then, think about the aggravation if you left the adapter at home... or lost it. It doesn't matter which way you go, you pretty much must lug along 1-2 adapters to be ready for all possibilities.

(A very common) Case in point: I'm enjoying the NBA finals. Just flew home on a new Delta jet and the game was on. As is, I unplugged my headphones from the ubiquitous 3.5mm jack in my iDevice and plugged it into the 3.5mm jack in their seat-back screen (they had no Lightning or USB3 jack available). That let me enjoy the game- video and audio- at 30,000 feet. While on that trip, I needed to use the headphones with my Mac and with the client's Windows machine (neither of which had Lightning or USB3). I could do that because both also came with the most ubiquitous jack of all such jacks. One set of headphones "just worked" with everything I encountered.

Now, put yourself in this "the future" mode. Own whatever kind of headphones you'll choose to own. What will it take to replicate the experience I just had in one short trip? Are you carrying multiple incarnations of headphones? Or are you carrying adapters? Delta doesn't offer bluetooth connections for seat-back screens (and they are not the only one without bluetooth-connection options). Are you watching the big game without audio because your jack doesn't fit the port used by that company not named Apple? That's where this ends up. The diehard, "Apple is always right" crowd will roll with anything Apple wants to do (I'm certain Apple could make the next iPhone out of razor blades and "we" would find some positive spin in all of the bleeding)... but I wonder if even "we" have thought through the ramifications of this in "our" typical uses for whatever kind of headphones "we" have now... or will soon be (re)buying.
 
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I honestly don't care whatever they bring to the table even if it's a slight refresh on the outside I'll be upgrading anyway. Don't care for the Android and its mess of a UI even if it's selling well.
 
I see this more and more, and can't for the life of me wonder what's wrong with the normal phone position arrangement.. plus, why would you want the world to hear your private chat?

More and more what? Also could you clarify what the "normal phone position arrangement" is and it's relationship to Apple improving sound quality on the iPhone?

Finally, why do you assume I'm having conversations in public? I said I mostly use my phone w/ the speakerphone. I don't understand how you then conclude those conversations take place in hallways or the middle of the subway station or bar or something. Who does that? Is that a thing where you live? It's not here.
 
Reefer, Apple will twist your arm and you'll jump onboard. I think from here onward, most hardware releases will be incremental. The true value is in the software, look for ios10 to blow your socks off.
Maybe, although iOS 9 doesn't do anything more on this year's devices than it did/does on last year's. And I am sure our 6S devices will be perfectly capable of installing iOS10. Hardware has always been the thing getting me to upgrade because the spftware pretty much comes with the hardware for about four years.

The last time I was in this situation was going from the 4S to the 5 (in that I didn't upgrade until half way into the 5 lifecycle because my mom wanted a smartphone and didn't want to pay for one and sign a contract so I ended up shipping my 4S to her).
 
More and more what? Also could you clarify what the "normal phone position arrangement" is and it's relationship to Apple improving sound quality on the iPhone?

Finally, why do you assume I'm having conversations in public? I said I mostly use my phone w/ the speakerphone. I don't understand how you then conclude those conversations take place in hallways or the middle of the subway station or bar or something. Who does that? Is that a thing where you live? It's not here.
"Where I live" as you put it, the normal phone position when making a call is by the ear. If you are using the loudspeaker, I'm assuming you have it held in front of your mouth. And if you are using the loudspeaker, the lad on the other end is broadcasting for all to hear.. I'm not quite sure what you think I meant about where I live? Is that some race thing? I obviously live in some weird backwater where they have unusual habits.. shame on you, I was making an innocent comment.
Ps, not sure how what I put has any bearing on iPhone speaker quality. What a bizarre post..
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Ah. There it is. You have ZERO credibility on any false statements you make and are trying to avoid the question, being you think your witty and smart. You can't wiggle your way out of this one. Thank you proving my point. If you reply again, please answer the question this time, as We all know how you look post after post.
Thanks for having a go at me, all I do is try and come on here, be all light hearted, have a bit of banter, there's always one tho isn't there. Ready to shoot you down in flames. Thanks for that.
 
Bluetooth IS wireless and if by antiquated you are gauging "better" on audio quality, the antiquated is FAR superior to this "the future" option all other things being equal. Is there room for Bluetooth to improve? Of course, but the best it could ever be is quality analog output, something we already have coming out of the 3.5mm jack today. For bluetooth to be better gauged by audio quality, it requires better DACs or better headphones, either of which could be accomplished by building the same better DAC inside the phone and having the same "better headphones" plugged into the antiquated jack. There is no magical way for Bluetooth 20 (years or decades from now) to deliver better sounding audio than what can come out of the "antiquated" as any such improvements still come down to playing analog into our ears.

My opinion: if this is about improving the quality of sound, build a better DAC inside the phone. Sound won't automatically get better because Apple "forces" bluetooth (or Lightning) upon us. It's the quality of the DAC inside or outside the phone that will drive most of the quality gains (or none therein). As is, all 3 options are already available in iPhone. Anyone who actually believes this "the future" superiority should- and can- already embrace the better "the future" option and enjoy it. Us fools who think 3.5mm is good/great/as good can keep foolishly clinging to the antiquated until our own ears help us hear the difference enough to choose to embrace "the future."

As much as I appreciate your lengthy response. I feel my post was misconstrued by your response. In retrospect, I was referring to the 3.5 Jack as such as a VCR or Cassette player. A majority of people still own one or another, but both items are no longer in production. Why? Because technology has a way of evolving into something quicker, less maintenance and more versatile for the user.

As far as sound quality is concerned, I could care less the differences between wireless and Wired. Whatever changes do occur, I'm fine with that. I think people shun the idea of change, because they fear what they do not understand.

What about autonomous vehicles? Ten years ago, this was unheard of and people laughed, making excuses as this was not
Possible. Guess what, it's happening with Tesla, Apple, Uber and Google. Again, I reiterate the CHANGES in the future in which are imminent. I also do think it's appropriate to refer to anyone as a fool when referring to the appreciation of the 3.5 Jack, it's beloved and is here until the Consumer ultimately decides on abandoning it.
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Bluetooth IS wireless and if by antiquated you are gauging "better" on audio quality, the antiquated is FAR superior to this "the future" option all other things being equal. Is there room for Bluetooth to improve? Of course, but the best it could ever be is quality analog output, something we already have coming out of the 3.5mm jack today. For bluetooth to be better gauged by audio quality, it requires better DACs or better headphones, either of which could be accomplished by building the same better DAC inside the phone and having the same "better headphones" plugged into the antiquated jack. There is no magical way for Bluetooth 20 (years or decades from now) to deliver better sounding audio than what can come out of the "antiquated" as any such improvements still come down to playing analog into our ears.

My opinion: if this is about improving the quality of sound, build a better DAC inside the phone. Sound won't automatically get better because Apple "forces" bluetooth (or Lightning) upon us. It's the quality of the DAC inside or outside the phone that will drive most of the quality gains (or none therein). As is, all 3 options are already available in iPhone. Anyone who actually believes this "the future" superiority should- and can- already embrace the better "the future" option and enjoy it. Us fools who think 3.5mm is good/great/as good can keep foolishly clinging to the antiquated until our own ears help us hear the difference enough to choose to embrace "the future."



For what, an extra $49.99 to make the phone able to do what it used to do "out of the box"? Slippery slope there. Same kind of thinking could then rationalize Apple kicking out the battery and camera next. Both could be add-ons sold separately too. And speaking of "old", battery and camera technology is more antiquated than 3.5mm jack, so if the "old" needs to slide on down that slope, those 2 could really be fitting ejection followups.

And can we all really roll so easily with the idea of having a "tail" hanging out of the bottom of our iPhones? OR, if we buy Lightning phones, can we all really roll so easily to having another kind of adapter hanging out of the side of our Macs?

And if USB3 takes off on "everything else" as is likely such that maybe 3.5mm actually does fade out, do we really want to juggle several adapters to cover all bases with one set of headphones? OR, do we really want to lug along more than one set of headphones to be ready for the fractured mix of jacks we may encounter when we travel?

This is such a mess. None of us should be so quick to roll with this if it comes to be. Even the most diehard Apple fan simply must encounter occasions where they would want to plug their headphones into a non-lightning jack (look at your Macs right now). Then, think about the aggravation if you left the adapter at home... or lost it. It doesn't matter which way you go, you pretty much must lug along 1-2 adapters to be ready for all possibilities.

(A very common) Case in point: I'm enjoying the NBA finals. Just flew home on a new Delta jet and the game was on. As is, I unplugged my headphones from the ubiquitous 3.5mm jack in my iDevice and plugged it into the 3.5mm jack in their seat-back screen (they had no Lightning or USB3 jack available). That let me enjoy the game- video and audio- at 30,000 feet. While on that trip, I needed to use the headphones with my Mac and with the client's Windows machine (neither of which had Lightning or USB3). I could do that because both also came with the most ubiquitous jack of all such jacks. One set of headphones "just worked" with everything I encountered.

Now, put yourself in this "the future" mode. Own whatever kind of headphones you'll choose to own. What will it take to replicate the experience I just had in one short trip? Are you carrying multiple incarnations of headphones? Or are you carrying adapters? Delta doesn't offer bluetooth connections for seat-back screens (and they are not the only one without bluetooth-connection options). Are you watching the big game without audio because your jack doesn't fit the port used by that company not named Apple? That's where this ends up. The diehard, "Apple is always right" crowd will roll with anything Apple wants to do (I'm certain Apple could make the next iPhone out of razor blades and "we" would find some positive spin in all of the bleeding)... but I wonder if even "we" have thought through the ramifications of this in "our" typical uses for whatever kind of headphones "we" have now... or will soon be (re)buying.




As much as I appreciate your lengthy response. I feel my post was misconstrued by your response. In retrospect, I was referring to the 3.5 Jack as such as a VCR or Cassette player. A majority of people still own one or another, but both items are no longer in production. Why? Because technology has a way of evolving into something quicker, less maintenance and more versatile for the user.

As far as sound quality is concerned, I could care less the differences between wireless and Wired. Whatever changes do occur, I'm fine with that. I think people shun the idea of change, because they fear what they do not understand.

What about autonomous vehicles? Ten years ago, this was unheard of and people laughed, making excuses as this was not
Possible. Guess what, it's happening with Tesla, Apple, Uber and Google. Again, I reiterate the CHANGES in the future in which are imminent. I also do think it's appropriate to refer to anyone as a fool when referring to the appreciation of the 3.5 Jack, it's beloved and is here until the Consumer ultimately decides on abandoning it.
 
Hmm guess they just cut/paste ipad pro to make a iphone pro...the lack of innovation and changes to the upcoming iphones makes me question if apple is undecisive or just becoming a mess...
 
There will undoubtedly be an Lightning-to-3.5mm headphone jack adapter, make in China.
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Sounds like you need a faster internet connection or better network management. Many people don't realize that the drastic increase in wireless devices is also making it more difficult for those said devices to communicate reliably. Careful management is needed by owners.

Has nothing to do with to my network speed I've even tried on a few different networks and removed and tried downloading again. Deleted and re added my apple music account and it keeps getting stuck like this. Definitely and apple iOS/music app issue.

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You don't see car manufacturers dropping the wheel from their cars just because it's an old technology.
thats because theres nothing yet better for a car than the wheel. if there were, they would drop it. a digital port is arguably better than an old analog port, which is why it will get dropped. even Intel is pushing for its removal in chipsets.
 
As much as I appreciate your lengthy response. I feel my post was misconstrued by your response. In retrospect, I was referring to the 3.5 Jack as such as a VCR or Cassette player. A majority of people still own one or another, but both items are no longer in production. Why? Because technology has a way of evolving into something quicker, less maintenance and more versatile for the user.

3.5mm is the defecto standard for audio jack connections in almost all consumer audio devices in the entire world. It's certainly far from "no longer in production". And Apple embracing either Lightning or Bluetooth (both of which have already been embraced by Apple) will have a very near zero chance of ever achieving the ubiquity of 3.5mm. In fact, if I was a betting man (and in spite of about everything Apple makes I own), I'd bet heavily that USB3 has a much greater chance of gaining more ubiquity as a 3.5mm replacement than Lightning... for reasons offered in that prior post.

As far as sound quality is concerned, I could care less the differences between wireless and Wired. Whatever changes do occur, I'm fine with that. I think people shun the idea of change, because they fear what they do not understand.

Good thing you are not the global judge for all of us then. Often audio quality IS pretty important to listeners.

And the implication that people fear this change because they do not understand it is basically calling us "people" too stupid to be able to weigh both and hear for ourselves. You of course are free to feel whatever you want to feel, but your views on such stuff as "could care less" are not universal. Basically, "as is" you can already go with any of the 3 options that you deem best. And so can everyone else. However, by eliminating the most ubiquitous mainstream option, it has ZERO effect on you, but will affect many others.

What about autonomous vehicles? Ten years ago, this was unheard of and people laughed, making excuses as this was not Possible. Guess what, it's happening with Tesla, Apple, Uber and Google. Again, I reiterate the CHANGES in the future in which are imminent. I also do think it's appropriate to refer to anyone as a fool when referring to the appreciation of the 3.5 Jack, it's beloved and is here until the Consumer ultimately decides on abandoning it.

Elimination of a ubiquitous standard for audio is far from an autonomous car. The car companies do not have to force the autonomous cars on us by getting rid of the existing cars first. Instead, they roll out the "better" option and people will vote with their wallets. Apple has already done the same with iDevice audio. Right now, you, me and everyone else can vote with our own wallets which audio connection option we prefer. Apparently, neither Bluetooth of Lightning has won that battle (yet). It will be the same with autonomous vehicles. They will replace existing automobiles if they are better... if people embrace their superiority by choosing to reject the "as is" and embrace the new... NOT by having them somewhat forced upon the public.

In other words, the auto companies will not stop making the "as is" cars to try to migrate the "dummies" to the new kinds of cars. Only when it becomes clear the masses are moving on the new option will the old one move toward the chopping block. By the time Lightning could possibly achieve that state vs. 3.5mm, Apple will be on Lightning 7 or 13 or something like that (and that assumes Lightning has any chance of achieving such a goal- IMO, it doesn't).

I'm glad YOU are happy with the impending change. Not everyone is you though.
 
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"Where I live" as you put it, the normal phone position when making a call is by the ear. If you are using the loudspeaker, I'm assuming you have it held in front of your mouth. And if you are using the loudspeaker, the lad on the other end is broadcasting for all to hear.. I'm not quite sure what you think I meant about where I live? Is that some race thing? I obviously live in some weird backwater where they have unusual habits.. shame on you, I was making an innocent comment.
Ps, not sure how what I put has any bearing on iPhone speaker quality. What a bizarre post..

Yes, this is getting to be a bizarre conversation indeed.

1) If what you are claiming as "normal" phone position then there wouldn't be a speaker phone or BT capability in the first place. It would just be hold up the phone to head only. Yes, there are multiple options, some better than others depending on the situation. Personally, yes, I like to multitask so I tend to use the speaker phone a lot while doing something else.

2) What I meant by "where I live" is just that, where I live. Please get off your high horse with the "shame on you" nonsense. That says so much more about you than my comment, which was just saying "where I live." I guess you don't realize it but different regions often have different customs. So where I live, no it's not polite to use a speakerphone in public. Now maybe in, say NYC it's considered perfectly normal -- I don't know. But "where I live" it's not. THAT is all I meant.

Obviously you have some sort of either mammoth high self-esteem where you think everything is about you, or you have low self-esteem where you think everything is said to bring you down.

3) My original post was about iPhone speaker quality. This thread is about iPhone speakers. Don't give me that "bizarre post" talk. You responded to my post, I was unsure what you meant on some item and asked for clarification. On other parts I gave you clarification about what I meant -- though you took that part personally.
 
is there a "safe space" where apple talks about all of their "such innovating" new products? someone needs to tell them to start doing some real ground breaking work because this is crap~! All apple is doing is keeping up, not leading the pack anymore.
 
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How much more could you care less you say? A little or a lot.. let me guess. You think couldn't care less is the same as could care less. Aaarrgggghhh!![/QUOTE]

Your still here? I think it's time for you to move on. Now your comments have no signicficance or relation to the actual post. Your just trying to start at an argument, in which you lost the last three with Me. Unless,
Your willing to make a valid argument based on something worth everyone reading. Thanks.
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How much more could you care less you say? A little or a lot.. let me guess. You think couldn't care less is the same as could care less. Aaarrgggghhh!!


Your still here? I think it's time for you to move on. Now your comments have no signicficance or relation to the actual post. Your just trying to start at an argument, in which you lost the last three with Me. Unless,
Your willing to make a valid argument based on something worth everyone reading. Thanks.
 
forget about the headphone situtation, what about plugging your iPhone for music in your car? I have to use an audio jack to funnel the stuff on my iPhone to my car's stereo speakers and if I can't charge it simulltaneously, I'm left with a rundown phone way too early in the day
 
How much more could you care less you say? A little or a lot.. let me guess. You think couldn't care less is the same as could care less. Aaarrgggghhh!!

Your still here? I think it's time for you to move on. Now your comments have no signicficance or relation to the actual post. Your just trying to start at an argument, in which you lost the last three with Me. Unless,
Your willing to make a valid argument based on something worth everyone reading. Thanks.
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Your still here? I think it's time for you to move on. Now your comments have no signicficance or relation to the actual post. Your just trying to start at an argument, in which you lost the last three with Me. Unless,
Your willing to make a valid argument based on something worth everyone reading. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
As you are now keeping score, which quite frankly.is bizarre, I'm gonna leave you to your hollow victories. Good night..
 
3.5mm is the defecto standard for audio jack connections in almost all consumer audio devices in the entire world. It's certainly far from "no longer in production". And Apple embracing either Lightning or Bluetooth (both of which have already been embraced by Apple) will have a very near zero chance of ever achieving the ubiquity of 3.5mm. In fact, if I was a betting man (and in spite of about everything Apple makes I own), I'd bet heavily that USB3 has a much greater chance of gaining more ubiquity as a 3.5mm replacement than Lightning... for reasons offered in that prior post.



Good thing you are not the global judge for all of us then. Often audio quality IS pretty important to listeners.

And the implication that people fear this change because they do not understand it is basically calling us "people" too stupid to be able to weigh both and hear for ourselves. You of course are free to feel whatever you want to feel, but your views on such stuff as "could care less" are not universal. Basically, "as is" you can already go with any of the 3 options that you deem best. And so can everyone else. However, by eliminating the most ubiquitous mainstream option, it has ZERO effect on you, but will affect many others.



Elimination of a ubiquitous standard for audio is far from an autonomous car. The car companies do not have to force the autonomous cars on us by getting rid of the existing cars first. Instead, they roll out the "better" option and people will vote with their wallets. Apple has already done the same with iDevice audio. Right now, you, me and everyone else can vote with our own wallets which audio connection option we prefer. Apparently, neither Bluetooth of Lightning has won that battle (yet). It will be the same with autonomous vehicles. They will replace existing automobiles if they are better... if people embrace their superiority by choosing to reject the "as is" and embrace the new... NOT by having them somewhat forced upon the public.

In other words, the auto companies will not stop making the "as is" cars to try to migrate the "dummies" to the new kinds of cars. Only when it becomes clear the masses are moving on the new option will the old one move toward the chopping block. By the time Lightning could possibly achieve that state vs. 3.5mm, Apple will be on Lightning 7 or 13 or something like that (and that assumes Lightning has any chance of achieving such a goal- IMO, it doesn't).

I'm glad YOU are happy with the impending change. Not everyone is you though.


I'm not sure if your skimming my replies/posts or not reading them in their entirety, but Again, you mis-interpreted my first and second post. I never said the 3.5 jack was "No longer in Production." I was referring to the VCR and Cassette player being no longer in production. Your constantly insinuating I am debating the audio quality of the 3.5 Jack, when I am not. The 3.5 jack will EVENTUALLY be obsolete and or eliminated, such as the historic VCR And Cassette player. Even video game discs are slowly being phased out, as Gamers have the ability to download via the game directly onto their console for example, thus rendering discs to be phased out.

Secondly, Why are you referring to me as a'Global Judge'? This is an opinionated website, based on Members idea's, feedback and suggestions. My liking of audio with wired or wireless is strictly preference. When did I ever say I was formatting for EVERYONE? When I exploited the post "People fear what they do not understand" is accurate, especially when someone has invested in hundreds of dollars on wired Bose headsets, then they might think "Great, now I have to come up with the monetary means to purchase blue tooth headsets, which is more spending for the user and equity for the 3rd party manufacturers. Its true, its a natural feeling to worry or be concerned when something is changed, most people are accustomed to being static. For example, when Apple switched to the lightning connector, I thought the world was going to end, none the less, I ACCEPTED the change, being it was something it took time to adhere to, which makes complete sense from the 30 Pin Connector. Also, using the term "Stupid" was never implicated accept on your behalf, please don't use sophomoric terms, which cheapens the discussion.


Lastly, again, I think you are reading my last post on the autonomous car incorrectly. Why are you comparing the 3.5 jack to an autonomous car? The autonomous car reply was strictly referring to CHANGE in which we will see in the upcoming years, being ten years ago, it was considered "Sci-Fi" or "Knight-Rider" in terms of "Never going to happen." I realize the automobile corporations will not or cannot force the consumer to purchase an autonomous car, its no different than electric cars, they have been around for years now and still are rejected by consumers who choose E85, or diesel, or flex fuel, or hybrid. I am not making an argument here, this is more of a junction with the fact of change, from the headphone jack to the autonomous car, its all inevitable in terms of reality versus acceptance.

I am not speaking for everyone on Macrumors regarding the 3.5 jack or any other change for this matter, I welcome change. I am speaking for myself. Example: I travel to work on a major highway, lately the normal route has been altered due to major road construction. Its inconvenient for me, as I have to travel a different UNFAMILIAR route, but......I understand the construction is only to allow for an easier, more efficient commute to reduce traffic congestion and lane blockage. But this is how we react to change at the current time, over time, we appreciate the change (Not everyone) because we see it as something in which we will understand once the change has been made. Hence, my original post, "Sometimes we fear what we don't know."

If you choose to reply again, Please take the time to read my replies before making posts which are far off topic from my original inquiry. The whole post has to do with CHANGING something, more specifically Apple and its 3.5 Jack. I am philanthropist and a dynamic individual, in which I welcome the unexpected, I speak for NO-ONE else, besides myself. So, please don't reply, and act as if I am biased or make it appear as if I speak for everyone, when I don't.


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Your still here? I think it's time for you to move on. Now your comments have no signicficance or relation to the actual post. Your just trying to start at an argument, in which you lost the last three with Me. Unless,
Your willing to make a valid argument based on something worth everyone reading. Thanks.
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Your still here? I think it's time for you to move on. Now your comments have no signicficance or relation to the actual post. Your just trying to start at an argument, in which you lost the last three with Me. Unless,
Your willing to make a valid argument based on something worth everyone reading. Thanks.
As you are now keeping score, which quite frankly.is bizarre, I'm gonna leave you to your hollow victories. Good night..[/QUOTE]

Thank you.
 
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