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"Apple is expected to announce iterative "S" cycle upgrades to its existing iPhone 7 line-up next month"
^^^^I am with John Grubber on this - I think all phones will be named iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 8 Pro; or
iPhone, iPhone Plus, iPhone Pro

Otherwise, other than price, why would anyone buy this S model?
 

You realize this has more bezels than the iPhone right? Bezels aren't just on the top.
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Maybe they'll add some dynamic brightness-feature which simply pushes and maximizes the brightness of the display just at the bezels in a way that it _feels_ like there's no one. Think of an reverse 'Ambilight' ;)

Now THAT would be sweet! Sure would burn your eyeballs at night though. Might be worth anyway
 
Could we see ProMotion display in the next iPhone, or will I wait for this time next year?? :)

If they don't have ProMotion in the phone this year, but a leak points to next year, then I'll wait another year for sure.
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"Apple is expected to announce iterative "S" cycle upgrades to its existing iPhone 7 line-up next month"
^^^^I am with John Grubber on this - I think all phones will be named iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone 8 Pro; or
iPhone, iPhone Plus, iPhone Pro

Otherwise, other than price, why would anyone buy this S model?

Why wouldn't price be important? The 7S will be a standard S upgrade, just like all the previous S models that sold fine. It'll still have the fastest processor. The 8 will just be bells and whistles, and a somewhat fugly design, for $100-300 more. This is to your average consumer, anyway. The 7S looks hot, with the glass back.
 
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You realize this has more bezels than the iPhone right? Bezels aren't just on the top.

Hence the "maybe not" portion of my post.

Honestly I dislike both solutions, they are not elegant at all.

I'm sure they'll show a video where they say it's brethtakinly beautiful, uncompromising, attention to detail, how much they love it and all that good Tim's Apple rethoric.

Maybe it's the only solution that current technology allows, however aesthetically, personally I find it lacking.
 
Hence the "maybe not" portion of my post.

Honestly I dislike both solutions, they are not elegant at all.

I'm sure they'll show a video where they say it's brethtakinly beautiful, uncompromising, attention to detail, how much they love it and all that good Tim's Apple rethoric.

Maybe it's the only solution that current technology allows, however aesthetically, personally I find it lacking.

Yeah I agree, the push for bezel-less is more of a technology push, not design push.

I personally think the Huawei 6p was a really nice design, for my individual taste and style.
 
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Apple going all in on facial recognition. However, accuracy is not ready yet and they are still looking into issues with the IR in different lighting conditions. Testing out in US now. Design will probably leak soon.
 
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Apple going all in on facial recognition. However, accuracy is not ready yet and they are still looking into issues with the IR in different lighting conditions. Testing out in US now. Design will probably leak soon.

One thing really gets to me as being uncertain about the experience with facial recognition. What do you think of the situation below.

If it's going to be really really good, it needs to have an extremely wide angle.

If that's the case, it's undoubtedly going to have many use cases where it has several people in it's vision while attempting a scan. How will it determine when to unlock? Sure, the user will be the only one there most of the time. What if you have a group of friends in the room, maybe 3 on the couch, and your phone is placed on the foot rest in front of you. What if a friend reaches over and tries to unlock your phone? I would assume the phone would just scan all the faces, recognize yours as being one of them, and unlock. If it were just you, you'd want the phone to unlock in that situation. However you don't want other people unlocking your phone just because you're around.

Likewise, if you're in a grocery store, or an area with lots of faces in the scanner's vision, again, it will see several faces (including your own), and you'll want it to unlock. What separates these two use cases? It seems like an inherent problem.
 
Wow, Apple leapfrogged everyone else in the bezel dept. Just, PLEASE Apple don't ruin it with the function bar.
 
If they don't have ProMotion in the phone this year, but a leak points to next year, then I'll wait another year for sure.
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Why wouldn't price be important? The 7S will be a standard S upgrade, just like all the previous S models that sold fine. It'll still have the fastest processor. The 8 will just be bells and whistles, and a somewhat fugly design, for $100-300 more. This is to your average consumer, anyway. The 7S looks hot, with the glass back.
Agreed...I am on S train and will get it again this year - while I can afford it, I am not into paying $1200+ for a phone - I think $969 is a 'fair' price considering the Note 8 will cost that or more.
 
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No TouchID, no sale.

Unless the facial recognition is so amazing it can do it whilst not pointed at my face (i.e. whilst doing Apple Pay), whilst I'm wearing sunglasses, or a hat, or a scarf half-covering my face, or in the dark, and can recognise different faces (I have my wife setup on my phone and vice-versa so we can each unlock each others phones).

It'll also cause issues for people wearing motorcycle helmets, ski masks, and, I guess a bit more controversially, face-covering religious headgear.

Yes, I know I could just enter my PIN, but that's a step back in functionality. Facial sounds great, but it should complement, not replace.
If people wear motorcycle helmets or ski masks, i can guarantee that they' ll also have gloves on , under those circumstances, so touchid wouldn' t work either.
 
One thing really gets to me as being uncertain about the experience with facial recognition. What do you think of the situation below.

If it's going to be really really good, it needs to have an extremely wide angle.

If that's the case, it's undoubtedly going to have many use cases where it has several people in it's vision while attempting a scan. How will it determine when to unlock? Sure, the user will be the only one there most of the time. What if you have a group of friends in the room, maybe 3 on the couch, and your phone is placed on the foot rest in front of you. What if a friend reaches over and tries to unlock your phone? I would assume the phone would just scan all the faces, recognize yours as being one of them, and unlock. If it were just you, you'd want the phone to unlock in that situation. However you don't want other people unlocking your phone just because you're around.

Likewise, if you're in a grocery store, or an area with lots of faces in the scanner's vision, again, it will see several faces (including your own), and you'll want it to unlock. What separates these two use cases? It seems like an inherent problem.

It differentiates by taking the face in the center of the screen as the priority. In this area, the iphone 8 performed really well when they showed it to us for testing. The only issue we had was when your face was too far away from the phone (about arms length) or when there was too much light/glare interfering with the ir camera. It still needs some work and they are still collecting some "samples" from the field to fine tune it.
 
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It differentiates by taking the face in the center of the screen as the priority. In this area, the iphone 8 performed really well when they showed it to us for testing. The only issue we had was when your face was too far away from the phone (about arms length) or when there was too much light/glare interfering with the ir camera. It still needs some work and they are still collecting some "samples" from the field to fine tune it.

Thanks for your reply.

I'm glad to hear that it works fine for those general purposes. Your comments about the process are extremely disappointing to me though, as it shows that it will not be nearly as convenient as touch ID, which allows me o pull my phone out of my pocket, and have it unlocked with my thumb by the time I start looking at it. I would hazard a guess that this is huge for people who commute, or live in a major urban area, like myself.
 
Thanks for your reply.

I'm glad to hear that it works fine for those general purposes. Your comments about the process are extremely disappointing to me though, as it shows that it will not be nearly as convenient as touch ID, which allows me o pull my phone out of my pocket, and have it unlocked with my thumb by the time I start looking at it. I would hazard a guess that this is huge for people who commute, or live in a major urban area, like myself.

I completely agree
Thanks for your reply.

I'm glad to hear that it works fine for those general purposes. Your comments about the process are extremely disappointing to me though, as it shows that it will not be nearly as convenient as touch ID, which allows me o pull my phone out of my pocket, and have it unlocked with my thumb by the time I start looking at it. I would hazard a guess that this is huge for people who commute, or live in a major urban area, like myself.

I completely agree.
 
There is nothing in the leaked iOS code or supply chain that supports this. Nor has any credible leaker reported on this. I don't know where you got this rumour, but it is most likely fake.
So it turns out, like all prototype devices, they just decided to go without Touch ID anyway and rely 100% on Face ID. I think it makes sense because, when I thought about it, you want to be able to use your phone seamlessly by picking it up and having your finger in the main area and not reaching first for the touch ID sensor.

It's a good move by Apple, but it does mean I'll have to get over my old habits.
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To address the rumor aspect, I got this information second hand from an Apple employee; Apple tests many prototypes. For example, the the first iPad Pro had 4GB of RAM, but it came out with 2 GB at release. The iPhone X prototype had a sandwiched touch ID but it obscured the screen a bit.
 
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