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I repeatedly hear folks defending wireless headphones with the phrase "I'm no audiophile, but ... <I really like my AirPods, which is sufficient for me> or <wireless headphone tech will improve over time> " etc. That's all good and fine IF YOU AREN'T AN AUDIOPHILE. It is not a solution to those who invest in superior wired headphones for listening to music. The iPhone is no longer in that business, and the only real justification for removing the jack is for some sort of thin, aesthetic appeal; otherwise, they could have included the headphone jack AND wireless headphone capability in one phone. I know the jack issue is a dead horse with Apple phones, but there are many audiophiles out there for whom it is a decidedly important issue - certainly enough for me to have invested in an LG V20 six months ago rather than an iPhone 7. In the meantime, since I do value how the iPhone plays happily with my iMac and iPad, my 6+ will get a new battery this year. Perhaps in another two years Apple will improve wireless sound technology sufficiently to justify my purchasing a new iPhone.

Isn't the sound quality using the (digital) lightning connector better then the (analog) headphone jack?
 
As someone noted on Twitter, it looks like there might be four components at the top of the front of the device. There could be dual forward-facing cameras. This would fit with the earlier rumor of facial recognition; dual cameras would allow for depth sensing, which means you wouldn't be able to fool it with a mere photograph like you can with the Galaxy S8.
 
Changing is scary, primarily because my music library is so tied to iTunes. It's the main reason I'm ready to get out of IOS because Apple has destroyed my music library several times over the years and I'm tired of it. I still have hundreds of tracks that somehow got DLC added to them and others that are completely mislabeled. So I'm hoping this goes "smoothly." My main thing is playlists, I spent years building and managing my playlists and I'm losing them with the switch. :( How do the Airpods work with the S8? I have them on order.

I have it iTunes music that I bought (around 200 songs) but I don't use it on neither platforms. Use Spotify and it satisfies my needs. Transferring from iPhone to galaxy phones anything seems to be very easy via the provided cable. You get the option to transfer your iTunes music (which I didn't bother) photo gallery, contacts, memo, calendar etc.

AirPods do work with the galaxy but the more I use them the more I realise how much they were intended to work well only with Apple products. I do get the usual BT disconetion, cracleling sounds occasionally, you take them off your ears and put them in a box while music is still playing, they don't stop, even in the box...and stuff like that. But I would still use them instead of the wired ones. This is only a temporary, just needed a bit of break from iOS.
 
I would cry of joy if they also finally removed physical SIMs from the phone. I know it will happen eventually but it's taking so long!
 
I would cry of joy if they also finally removed physical SIMs from the phone. I know it will happen eventually but it's taking so long!
Only if they have a good solution for changing phones/carriers without going in store. I severely dislike carrier stores and avoid them as much as possible.
 
I don't really see the big deal with wireless charging. The expensive wireless charger still needs to be plugged in so for a few seconds of convenience is it really worth it?

My wireless chargers cost me $15.

It is totally a "first world convenience" thing. I love it. I've had phones where the micro usb (android) and iPhone 4s plugs have worn out or gotten loose from repeated plugging and unplugging. The micro USB connectors on android phones have been especially bad for me in that regard. Wireless relieves that.

And yes, you still have to plug it in. Once! I have a bunch in my various workspaces - one by the bed, one by my big comfy chair in my living room, one on the base of an iMac at the office. Just plop your phone down when you sit. Pick it up and go to a meeting.

Really though - I'm surprised that so many don't like it. If it comes to iPhones, you'll love it. Probably not the price, though. Apple will most likely use some proprietary thing.
 
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Superior for AR/VR. :apple:
How so? Out of curiosity.
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I don't really see the big deal with wireless charging. The expensive wireless charger still needs to be plugged in so for a few seconds of convenience is it really worth it?
Wireless chargers have come down in prices since the introduction and can be had for less than $20. They are barely more expensive than wired charger sets. And what do you mean "wireless charger still needs to be plugged in"? Is there a charger that self-generates power?!
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But there is a legitimate argument that TouchID on the back does not make for a great user experience either. For example:

* If one's phone is sitting on a table there is no way to activate the Touch ID without picking the phone up.
Yes, there is a way and it is called Passcode. Or maybe Apple will incorporate a iris scanner and people will learn to use it to unlock the phones sitting on desks. And as has been noted by Android users, there are other ways to keep phones unlocked in secure environments. I have no doubt that Apple can implement such a technology right if it comes to that or half-functional TouchID under the screen glass.
 
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Isn't the sound quality using the (digital) lightning connector better then the (analog) headphone jack?
My understanding is that there is a slight degradation with the use of a lightning to 3.5 mm dongle to use 3.5 mm wired headphones, though generally not enough to be detectable with the human ear. If one invested in a lightning headphone, I suppose there might be a slight improvement. That would still leave me with two caveats: 1) having to purchase a high quality lightning headphone which would not work with anything but an iPhone, and 2) having to use the one lightning port for headphones removes the ability to charge and listen to music at the same time (though I suppose a two-headed dongle of some sort might make it feasible).
 
I repeatedly hear folks defending wireless headphones with the phrase "I'm no audiophile, but ... <I really like my AirPods, which is sufficient for me> or <wireless headphone tech will improve over time> " etc. That's all good and fine IF YOU AREN'T AN AUDIOPHILE. It is not a solution to those who invest in superior wired headphones for listening to music. The iPhone is no longer in that business, and the only real justification for removing the jack is for some sort of thin, aesthetic appeal; otherwise, they could have included the headphone jack AND wireless headphone capability in one phone. I know the jack issue is a dead horse with Apple phones, but there are many audiophiles out there for whom it is a decidedly important issue - certainly enough for me to have invested in an LG V20 six months ago rather than an iPhone 7. In the meantime, since I do value how the iPhone plays happily with my iMac and iPad, my 6+ will get a new battery this year. Perhaps in another two years Apple will improve wireless sound technology sufficiently to justify my purchasing a new iPhone.


You're missing the point from my previous post. I'm NOT referring to sound quality, I'm referring to the convenience of the AirPods with its capabilities. I'm NOT an audiophile. Nor am I making any justification that Apple should have deleted the 3.5 mm Jack, but I don't necessarily disagree that they should have kept it either.

You may not find it a "Solution" for those who invest in wired headphones for the reason that Jack was deleted. But regardless, Apple's vision is not shared with yours. That's what it really comes down to.

In any case, I see this category as two types of people, those who are willing to accept Bluetooth for the changes that are purportedly coming and those who refuse to except the changes and appreciate wired technology over Bluetooth. Judging by your post, you're somebody that obviously invested into wired technology, which is fine, but not everybody has the investment you do or has the same appreciations you share with wired technology. As I said before, I think there is two categories that apply.
 
Maybe the big circle is actually a fingerprint sensor for people with big hands?

T-Rex will finally be able to unlock the phone via touch ID, that's innovation :D
They'd still need a stick to take a selfie, I hope Apple will find a way to help them.

My wireless chargers cost me $15.

It is totally a "first world convenience" thing. I love it. I've had phones where the micro usb (android) and iPhone 4s plugs have worn out or gotten loose from repeated plugging and unplugging. The micro USB connectors on android phones have been especially bad for me in that regard. Wireless relieves that.

And yes, you still have to plug it in. Once! I have a bunch in my various workspaces - one by the bed, one by my big comfy chair in my living room, one on the base of an iMac at the office. Just plop your phone down when you sit. Pick it up and go to a meeting.

Really though - I'm surprised that so many don't like it. If it comes to iPhones, you'll love it. Probably not the price, though. Apple will most likely use some proprietary thing.

Knowing Apple their charging pad would be pricey.
For wireless charging to become a deal breaker I'd need multiple pads, and it would be great to have pads in public places so for example you can charge the phone while drinking coffee at Starbucks.
If I only have one pad at home the technology becomes unnecessary, I already have a Watch stand with multiple USB ports and plugging in a cable instead of laying the phone on a pad is not a big difference.
 
I just hope the wireless charging pad that apple bring out will be able to stand up and not just be flat.
 
Yay, wireless charging so you can spend a few hundred $ on charging cradles to every single location you need to use your phone on because it makes so much $en$e to Apple than actually putting a battery you don't need to charge every few minutes in the damned device.
 
Yay, wireless charging so you can spend a few hundred $ on charging cradles to every single location you need to use your phone on because it makes so much $en$e to Apple than actually putting a battery you don't need to charge every few minutes in the damned device.

No room for a bigger battery sorry, just ends up making less room for the ever so important Taptic engine.
 
Yes, there is a way and it is called Passcode. Or maybe Apple will incorporate a iris scanner and people will learn to use it to unlock the phones sitting on desks. And as has been noted by Android users, there are other ways to keep phones unlocked in secure environments. I have no doubt that Apple can implement such a technology right if it comes to that or half-functional TouchID under the screen glass.

1. None of that IS TouchID, it's other unlocking mechanisms -- some less convenient (password), some less safe (iris scan). Also neither works with ApplePay.

2. See today's MR front page rumor regarding alleged iPhone 8 case that suggests TouchID on the front.
 
I'm surprised at so many people who are against wireless charging. Is this really coming from the forum that defended the removal of the headphone jack? Remember when the Apple Evangelists and pundits like John Gruber all of a sudden pretended like they couldn't wait for the headphone jack to be gone because it was "old tech?" "Wireless is the future?"

Any of those phrases ring a bell?

The one thing we can all agree on is that the fear of cost is real. Samsung uses a standard wireless charging tech. Their chargers are cheap. They even have fast wireless chargers. If Apple used that standard, it could be super cheap to jump in. Hell, I'd switch to iPhone 7S/8 and not skip a beat.

Everyone who complains about listening to headphones while charging on an iPhone 7 would at least have a solution to that problem with wireless charging!

Does it change my life? No. Minor convenience. The ultimate in lazy. The only place I plug it in is in my car.

Does it make me love my Galaxy S7? No. It make me hate it less. For all of its many flaws, wireless charging is not one.
 
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I'm surprised at so many people who are against wireless charging. Is this really coming from the forum that defended the removal of the headphone jack? Remember when the Apple Evangelists and pundits like John Gruber all of a sudden pretended like they couldn't wait for the headphone jack to be gone because it was "old tech?" "Wireless is the future?"

Any of those phrases ring a bell?

The one thing we can all agree on is that the fear of cost is real. Samsung uses a standard wireless charging tech. Their chargers are cheap. They even have fast wireless chargers. If Apple used that standard, it could be super cheap to jump in. Hell, I'd switch to iPhone 7S/8 and not skip a beat.

Everyone who complains about listening to headphones while charging on an iPhone 7 would at least have a solution to that problem with wireless charging!

Does it change my life? No. Minor convenience. The ultimate in lazy. The only place I plug it in is in my car.

Does it make me love my Galaxy S7? No. It make me hate it less. For all of its many flaws, wireless charging is not one.
people will love it when it's here i'm sure.
 
Constrained for a few months? Hell I did not get my iPhone 7+ 256GB in Jet Black until December, and it was ordered with pre-orders in Australia.

I'm likely to upgrade as i's a free break contract and sign up with my supplier so once they finalise features, and then price I'll do the sums and look to see if it's worth it.
 
it will be interesting to see if carriers will get the new iPhone ahead of those who buy sim only. i know last year carriers had a similar wait.
 
What's a single advantage of a proprietary wireless charging system over the existing one again?
The "existing one" is a joke as far as I can see. Apple's doesn't look to fit in with the standard when the standard sucks. Only when it is well established. They use 802.11 don't they? Apple goes proprietary when Apple is doing better for their devices.
 
The "existing one" is a joke as far as I can see. Apple's doesn't look to fit in with the standard when the standard sucks. Only when it is well established. They use 802.11 don't they? Apple goes proprietary when Apple is doing better for their devices.

By the "existing one" I meant the lightning cable and the charger that come with the current iPhones. How is this a joke?
 
By the "existing one" I meant the lightning cable and the charger that come with the current iPhones. How is this a joke?
By "existing one" I meant existing 'wireless' charging solutions which are indeed a joke.
Your comment sounds an awful lot like you're talking about proprietary wireless charging vs. existing wireless charging.
 
By "existing one" I meant existing 'wireless' charging solutions which are indeed a joke.
Your comment sounds an awful lot like you're talking about proprietary wireless charging vs. existing wireless charging.

Apologies about the misunderstanding, I was questioning the advantage of the wireless charging over the current wired one.
 
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