“Keep this app in the App Store”?? Delta was on the EU App Store?
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AltStore PAL Alternative App Marketplace Launches on iPhone in EU
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Apple quality is the reason I buy them, if I wanted Android level marketplace I will buy Android.
No, and it isn't a problem. Those who wanted emulation software would be able to switch to Android for last 15 years. If emulation is important enough Apple will loose those customers. That's how the market solves.
I meant he could have released it in the traditional app store rather than launching an alternate app store in the EU.
Just how steam was the superior game store than the AppStore, or that chrome was seen as the better browser than safari. But also allow users to use safari or Firefox if it’s better fitted. And only use the macappstore if that’s what you value.
And develops can distribute on the store they prefer.
Indeed where have we heard it beforeWhere have we heard this argument beforeSo funny...
It doesn’t contradict what I wrote or the stance I have argued for since day 1
How many mobile OS’s do consumers have to choose between? Ok, now how many banks? Oh, you can’t count them all?This is RICH coming from you. Hahaha...so, let the market decide? Use an alternate business?
Where have we heard this argument before
*not to mention that this argument directly conflicts with the very post you made that I was quoting from.
This wasn't my argument. We were arguing about forking IOS, and how the argument that "you can just use an alternative" is disingenuous.
The only reason this is even an issue right now in the first place is because Apple spent the first nearly two decades of iOS’s existence banning emulator apps. Now here we are, all of 12 days into Apple allowing emulators on iOS and some folks have crocodile tears streaming down their face because Delta continues to not be available on the EU iOS App Store. If Apple hadn’t banned them, countless emulators would already be littering the iOS App Store. Give it a few more weeks or months and you there will be other emulator apps available on the EU iOS App Store. Now where are all the banking apps that we’ve been told would leave the App Store?
Actually I was pointing out that your view of being forced to make a choice between options utterly lacks any kind of nuance. Being told to “pick an alternative” when there is only one other option is a very different scenario than being told to pick an alternative when dozens or hundreds of alternatives exist.
Essentially you tried to say what’s good for the goose is good for the gander while failing to recognize the significant differences between the two scenarios where a consumer has to make a choice.
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So one question...
Why is it okay for people to tell me that I don't have to install apps outside of the App Store if I don't want to (even if it means giving up on an app that I may want to use because the developer decides to not make it available inside the App Store), but I can't tell people to get an android phone if they want a feature that isn't available on the iPhone?
So it's okay for other people to expect me to disadvantage myself so that they can benefit, but I can't have the same expectation of others???
I don't recall anyone claiming banks would remove their apps from the App Store. That issue was that them getting access to NFC for payment they would remove themselves from the Wallet and force people to use their crappy apps. And yes, many banks have some really TERRIBLE apps. I think Comerica took their design and coding skills from auto UI coder rejects.
Yes and perhaps you should study the preamble in the DMA why some American companies are targeted but not other American companies.
But the reason are two fold.
1: they don’t have a dominant market position
2: games can be purchased from alternative sources.
Have I ever argued in their defense? Or what do you think my argument is?
This isn’t a legitimate concern and 100% made up especially when The iOS AppStore has been fragmented almost since day one. Apps being available exclusively in the U.S. store, Swedish store, German store, Canadian store, Chinese store, Japanese store, Korean store etc etc etc.
Alt stores are just competition to Apple.
And he could do both. That’s the beauty of the free market. You can pick and choose. And I will simply pick one of the competitors when they are approved to the AppStore.
Such as the provenance Emulator and Ignited Emulator when they are approved for the iOS AppStore.
Both seen as superior to the Delta emulator.
It’s called principles. Only one of those scenarios involves Apple preventing competition in distributing apps on iOS, one of only two major mobile OS platforms. A market the touches upon, tangentially or directly, billions of dollars (possibly trillions?) in global commerce.
The idea that a trillion dollar company should be able to restrict competition as well as control what software roughly half the populace has access to doesn’t pass the smell test for some people.
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AltStore PAL Alternative App Marketplace Launches on iPhone in EU
What would an alternative to a banking app be if your bank doesn't distribute outside of an alternate app store?
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Literally a post on the previous page, bud.
I don’t think it’s about principles at all.
This all boils down to power, and who is able to get their way and get what they want, consequences to everyone else be darned.
If these people were so interested in enabling competition, they would have opted for a platform which enabled functionality like sideloading and third party app stores right from the very start. Instead, they, like so many other people, opted for a close ecosystem and have reaped the benefits of the tight integration and now that they want more, a narrative is being spun about how we are all prisoners of Apple’s walled garden and only government regulation can save us from ourselves.
Nothing wrong here, IMO. Let’s just be honest about the possible ramifications, rather than try to hand wave everything away and pretend that everything will be a bed of roses and that there will be absolutely zero downsides whatsoever.
That was a one-line hypothetical that came up in this thread. I am referring to the thousands of comments in th threads around this topic, articles access to NFC, and all the other EU- or DMA-related threads over the past month or two.AltStore PAL Alternative App Marketplace Launches on iPhone in EU
What would an alternative to a banking app be if your bank doesn't distribute outside of an alternate app store?
Literally a post on the previous page, bud.
Other than one line asking about banks pulling their apps to an alternate nothing else has ever been brought up. I read that comment as a either bad strawman or a misconception of what banks would look to get out of the new accesses.
This is no way banks will move out of the App Store. But I can definitely see them pulling out of the Wallet.
How does someone choosing an Android enable competition? You’re still left with just two competitors. Not to mention a lot more goes into the choice than closed or open ecosystem. I suspect relatively few people choose an iPhone because of a closed ecosystem. I suspect far more people chose one because it works better with their other Apple devices, has iMessage, is made of glass and metal instead of cheap plastic, or for teenagers, is simply the cooler phone to own.
Who said there would be no downsides? Though I understand it may seem that way when juxtaposed with the folks saying that this would cause an utter cataclysm. Most people who wanted to see Apple’s control loosened didn’t say it would be free of any negative consequences. They simply believe the potential benefits outweigh the potential negatives.
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This is wrong. Might not be you but damn so many people didn’t agree when I said it a month ago
Go back through the myriad threads on third-party app stores and I assure you you’ll find other references to the veritable horror of banking apps potentially leaving the App Store.
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Here’s another reference.
Apple Sued by U.S. Department of Justice, Says Lawsuit is 'Wrong'
Your bank decides that their app will reside only in a third party App Store. You’re forced to install another store ..
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Look, if you think they’re making a poor argument, I agree with you.
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Do you have some examples of popular apps that aren’t available on Google‘s play store because they’re distributed via an alternate store or via side loading?
Well that’s because this have always been the case since the AppStore was released. And it’s what you always do. As I believe I have asked you before with no answer.
What did you do before when an app wasn’t available in the App Store? What did you do when VLC was removed for licensing dispute?
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Did you use another app or stop using iOS suddenly as developers refused to deliver on iOS?
Well what did you do when people asked for the flashlight functionality to be available on iOS without opening the video camera? Did you also tell them to use android instead until iOS 7 was released?
Or when people asked for the ability to look up stored WiFi passwords, did you also just tell them to get android instead, until iOS 16 was released?
In what way are you disadvantaging yourself? You value the AppStore more than the developer using another source.
I mean, it already kinda has. Just one month ago, Delta was on the list of apps that were not allowed on the App Store under any circumstance. Hence why the bellyaching about "having to give up apps because they're only coming to an alternative store" is so weird, because you've had to give up on Delta for the last five years because they couldn't be on the App Store.