Am I being scammed on eBay?

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  1. skafia macrumors 6502

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    I just sold an iPhone 3G and 3GS on eBay and i have received payment and i have shipped to the address listed on pay pal. The 3G i shipped to NY has been received 4 days ago but the buyer has not responded to my requests to leave positive feedback so my funds are released.

    The 3GS has been shipped to Indonesia and it hasn't been received. Im getting nervous Paypal says im protected but only if i had a delivery signature which i did not get, only delivery confirmation.

    Now after 13 days when my payment clears, how can the buyers scam me? Will they request to reverse the transactions or dispute it somehow like they didn't receive the item?

    Any help would be appreciated.
     
  2. AbjectEvolution macrumors 6502

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    I would never sell something out of country over Ebay.
     
  3. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Yeah, probably. I would never ship a high dollar item like that overseas. They probably used a stolen PayPal account and once the real owner sees the fraudulent transaction, he'll file a chargeback.
     
  4. 3kids macrumors regular

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    Most likely with the US one. Almost assuredly with the international one. Sorry. No signatures means out of luck. Paypal truly virtually always sides with the buyer. Even the ones that are scamming.
     
  5. Roessnakhan macrumors 68040

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    Some people don't even care about the feedback system - its a dick move but your funds will be released soon if there is no dispute on the transaction.

    Did you add a tracking number to the eBay auction? Sometimes that speeds up the process.
     
  6. i.phone4 macrumors member

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    Call paypal customer service give them the tracking info, if it says delivered they will release the funds. That happened to me when I sold a phone on eBay, they call it a "high risk item" and hold the funds for a while.
     
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    The one to NY you MAY be ok.
    The one sent to Indonesia, you should just accept the fact that you have been conned, and use it as a lesson learned.
     
  9. zrated83 macrumors newbie

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    Yeah I would never ship a high value item internationally.
     
  10. skafia thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I have so old all my old iphones on ebay before, and many international buyers too... I guess this is my first :(
     
  11. zrated83 macrumors newbie

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    The guy could be legit, but you never know. Has the package been delivered yet? Since you didn't get signature confirmation, he could just say he never received the package and then you would be screwed :(
     
  12. wkennedy74 macrumors member

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    If you are asking, then probably.

    However, I know a very wealthy Prince in Indonesia that is looking for someone in the US with a Bank Account to transfer millions of dollars to.....
     
  13. montecarloss919 macrumors member

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    Have experience shipping iphone internationally

    So I sold my iphone3gs for $700 to a dude in Norway. Seemed really fishy.. But you have some protection as the seller. Whatever way you ship it (international i'd suggest UPS/FedEx), 100% 100% 100% get a signed delivery confirmation. B/c the way the scam usually works is they want you to use USPS b/c there isnt really a good delivery confirmation method ( even though there is a decent one :) ) and they will say they never got the phone and get the money from paypal back. But if he/she says that and you have your ups confirmation, then your set. Also make sure you send to a confirmed address!
     
  14. mysticbluebmw macrumors regular

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    I really don't understand why selling to non-US countries that Paypal considers safe is such an issue. I sell all over the place and I've only had problems with people IN the U.S. That said, I would NEVER, NEVER ship to Indonesia, or countries in Eastern Europe. WAY TOO many scammers coming out of those places, especially for electronics.

    The NY buyer, may be fine. He's probably just ignoring your emails because he got what he wanted and moved on. I hope you have insurance on the packages, though. Without a signature, the shipping company may still be responsible for leaving it on door step, if the guy claims he never got it. There are other scams, however.
     
  15. mysticbluebmw macrumors regular

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    I know for a fact you did NOT send to a confirmed address, lol. :) Paypal only confirms addresses in USA, Canada, and UK.

    But your points are all valid.:D
     
  16. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    What sort of feedback do the buyers have?

    I have no problem selling internationally, you're only as vulnerable as your own judgement allows.
     
  17. skafia thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I talked to PayPal this morning and the lady released the funds from the guy in NY. The guy in NY still has 45 days for an instant payment, and up to 180 days for a credit card payment to file a dispute, and with almost all cases no signature means I'm **** out of luck, especially if its a credit card transaction.

    As far as the guy in Indonesia, I went to the post office and filled out a form that returns the package to me if it is still in the country. If I get the package back then great, I'll re-send it using UPS because USPS really can't guarantee their stuff, the lady told me that the $2.50 signature confirmation receipt will PROBABLY get back to me, WTF?

    If it has left the country, then oh well, I'm just going to cross my fingers.

    So to recap--for anyone that was stupid like me, SELLER PROTECTION requires signature confirmation! Delivery confirmation alone is NOT sufficient!

    Thanks for the help guys.
     
  18. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

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    Indonesia?!? Sorry bud your money and iPhone 3GS is LONG GONE.

    I NEVER ship outside of the USA. Pretty much all scams that I've seen are from Africa and Indonesia.
     
  19. lorenwade macrumors 68000

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    Total scam. Never ship without payment. Ever. Your iPhone is gone.
     
  20. dwella1 macrumors member

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    Sorry you just gave away some iphones. The only place I have ever been screwed is is indonesia and you have no recourse. For the future make sure you get sigs and tracking and anything else you can get to protect yourself and never never sell overseas. Sorry again

    d1
     
  21. skafia thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Apart from having US greenbacks sent to my door, I assumed PayPal was a good form of payment. It is my fault that I did not get a signature confirmation but I'm hoping as soon as the payment clears I can remove my bank account information so that it cannot be reversed, is that possible?
     
  22. Givmeabrek macrumors 68040

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    That won't help. PayPal will still get their money. They will pass it to a collections agency if they have to.

    There are two countries that you never send anything to, Nigeria and Indonesia. Nothing but scams and stolen credit cards. No way in hell that an iPhone would work in Indonesia anyway. :(
     
  23. coelacanth macrumors 6502

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    You've realized this already, but never ever send item anywhere without completely complying with Paypal Seller Protection guidelines. You are asking for it if you don't get signature confirmation. (typically Paypal requires sig-conf for items over $250.)
     
  24. foulmouthedleon macrumors regular

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    I've been selling on ebay for over a decade now and have managed to retain my 100% feedback rating, but I'd be very, very cautious selling a high dollar item (like this) overseas. I stick to selling in the US only and any time there's been a problem, ebay and paypal aren't exactly my allies.

    In demand items like this are prime targets for any sort of fraud. I'd be careful and proceed with caution.
     
  25. skafia thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Lesson learned.

    I guess my only hope is that the iPhone hasn't left the country and they are able to stop it in transit.

    I shipped it late day on June 17th.
     

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