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Here are two photos I just took now. Both have default color profile. The room has a widow to the back, on the left side wall. The first one is taken as is. The second one, I bunched up a blanket to frame behind/around the display in order to block as much light as possible.
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7885/photo3n.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9859/photo4fz.jpg
So what do you think?
But if the panel hardware is defective with a tint of yellow, any calibration will not get rid of it, right? No matter what the calibration, a hardware yellow tint defect will show up, correct?
So forgetting about calibrated or not for now, in comparison of these two models sitting side by side, they look different. To clarify, both are using default color profile. So when you said that the calibrated profile looks warmer rather than cooler like the store model, that can't possibly explain the difference in these two photos since both are on default and mine looks like it has more of a yellowish tint than the store. It tells me that there exists a better panel, which makes me want to replace if not for the fear of possibly getting a worse one. In other words, the store one looks cooler, which I also prefer.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1673/photo1ly.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8339/photo2uar.jpg
To answer your first two questions, No.
Calibration is unique for every display and the idea behind calibration is to remove any imbalance of color. So when you use the default profile which is not calibrated, or someone else's calibrated profile, your display will still have an imbalance of color.
If you want your display be have a cooler white increase the amount of blue. It's that simple.
And which is it are you using the default profile or the one you downloaded? It really makes no difference though in this situation. I made a judgment based on the little information you provided but the FACT is you do not know how good or how bad your display really is because it's not calibrated and apple does not calibrate them as it would add a significant cost to the laptop which few would benefit from. You need to just return it and get your money back though. Go buy a Dell with the rgb led backlight or a thinkpad with an ips display cause you obviously will not be happy with an apple and why should other consumers pay more so you can open half the boxes in the store to compare the displays under a microscope.
Finally the default profile provides nothing about how good a display is. And why you think after this ongoing discussion that it can be used as a reference is beyond me.
You are definitely crazy though, and you should do whatever you need to because there is no getting through.
I get this. But is this still true if the hardware panel is defective with a yellow tint?
What I'm saying is this: let's say someone writes all over your computer screen with a yellow marker. An actual yellow marker. Any calibration of your display is not going to change it since it's always going to have a yellowness to it because there's a physical layer of yellow on top. This is what I mean by saying that no calibration will get rid of yellow if that yellow is part of the panel. If the panel has a hardware defect of this yellow tint physically on the screen, no matter how much you calibrate, a yellow tint will show, right? If I have this wrong, then can you explain how mine might show warmer colors than a store model with both running the same exact default color profile? Keep in mind I know you're saying each and every panel is different in colors, but this is the crux of it: "better" panels exist. And this is what I'm saying as in mine seems to not be better and the store one looked better.
Then why didn't the store model need to be calibrated? Why did it show a cooler white on the same default profile and mine does not show a cooler white? If your answer is that the panels are different, then that's what I'm talking about. The two panels are physically different and this is why, despite being on the same color profile, they still look different. Therefore, a better panel exists (the store one) and this is why I feel that mine is worse, defective or not.
I have both and have used both. But in this thread, I have only been posting pictures of default profile with the exception of my first post (the second link in my first post is calibrated).
I think the premium cost of ownership on a Mac warrants above average customer service and if it takes opening a box to find a good machine, this is part of the cost. I've read many threads on here that have had people get replacements.
I would agree with this if it wasn't for seeing the store model. If both are on the same profile then what accounts for the difference in tint? It must be hardware. If this is incorrect, then I'm all for being schooled on it. Otherwise, if all things are equal (color profile) except one thing differs (hardware panel) then it's probably that one thing (store's panel) that is better if mine looks bad.
The reason that you are missing is that if you had two monitors: one where the default color profile makes it look overly blue and overexposed, it may be more accurate after calibration than the second monitor which before calibration appeared more accurate but did not calibrate as well.
You are making statements that the MacBook at the store does not need calibration. This statement is entirely unproven. You never tested it and your experience with it is limited to your eyes under the overly bright flourescent lights at the store.
The fact is you can only compare calibrated displays because you need a fixed reference.
As far as your display having a yellow tint, you know thus is not the case. You already took a picture from a lower angle facing the bottom of the screen and the contrast difference was reversed from your normal viewing position and there was no tint.
Basically your argument is: I saw another one in the store which I liked how the colors were represented better on the screen, therefore it is better than mine and mine is therefore defective regardless that I have not bothered to try to imitate the colors of the display at the store by adjusting the color presets, I have not attempted hardware calibration using calibration tools and software, and the lighting conditions are not the same.
Tell it to the geniuses because it sounds lame and lazy.
Buy a hardware calibrator and calibrate your display. Then you will have a leg to stand on, until then you are just whining.
You are making statements that the MacBook at the store does not need calibration. This statement is entirely unproven. You never tested it and your experience with it is limited to your eyes under the overly bright flourescent lights at the store.
The fact is you can only compare calibrated displays because you need a fixed reference.
As far as your display having a yellow tint, you know thus is not the case. You already took a picture from a lower angle facing the bottom of the screen and the contrast difference was reversed from your normal viewing position and there was no tint.
Basically your argument is: I saw another one in the store which I liked how the colors were represented better on the screen, therefore it is better than mine and mine is therefore defective regardless that I have not bothered to try to imitate the colors of the display at the store by adjusting the color presets, I have not attempted hardware calibration using calibration tools and software, and the lighting conditions are not the same.
Tell it to the geniuses because it sounds lame and lazy.
Buy a hardware calibrator and calibrate your display. Then you will have a leg to stand on, until then you are just whining.
I have the same model MacBook Pro with AG screen and the display calibration out of the box was revolting. I hunted on forums applying other users calibrated settings, and comparing the color 4 each with a photograph I know well. Finally I found a calibration which made my 17" TN panels color reproduction alot more accurate. I am very pleased with my MacBook other than its so claimed "8-9 hour battery life" ahem.....
For the price U pay for Macs I feel they should be individually calibrated from the factory, can't have everything though can you...
As for your question U R definately in need of a rubber room and a drool cup........
For the price U pay for Macs I feel they should be individually calibrated from the factory, can't have everything though can you...
As for your question U R definately in need of a rubber room and a drool cup........
But does it matter which had more/less calibration if both are compared on the same exact profile and one is shown to look better than the other? I get you're saying that different panels require different calibrations to look good but if you're comparing two based on the same baseline, then hardware is the only differentiating factor. I guess I may still be missing something if this is off but it sounds logical to me.
I didn't bring any calibrator to the store, no, and I highly doubt I would have been allowed to do anything like that considering this is a store and not my personal lab. So based on the best I could do by sitting them side by side in the same lighting conditions, this is my feeling that the store model looked better. I know that isn't the most scientific but it's all that could be done.
So is judging a picture of a screen taken at an extremely awkward angle that you would never ever use justifiable as evidence if I'm crazy in looking at it from a normal viewing angle? I saw a distinct difference between the store model and more than half the people I asked saw that mine looked a bit more yellow. I asked one more person last night and they confirmed it (just looking at mine using a couple different profiles, nothing to compare to and did not influence them by even mentioning anything was yellow -- just asking to check the screen out). Their feeling is that it is minor and after explaining that although a replacement is free, that replacement could have problems, and so their advice is to just keep it since it's not something terribly noticeable and taking the chance on getting a bad replacement isn't worth it.
You have that wrong. I tried the custom calibrated profile while there and it still looked off. Also, both were under the same lighting conditions. But given that the same exact profile was used on both and it looked different enough that mine looked a bit more yellow and more people confirmed this than not, that told me the one differing factor of physical display panel exhibiting a small tinge of yellow was more likely the culprit than not.
I'm sure you know yellow tinge has lately been an issue on iMacs with Apple acknowledging the issue publicly and people going through multiple replacements, I'm pretty sure this is nothing unusual that any genius might have heard from anyone telling them they see a yellow tint. And still, I don't get why I would need to adjust any presets if both are compared by the same default profile baseline. Anyway, here are the relevant threads I searched for on this forum in case you were curious. There are probably more but point is it isn't something that uncommon to be concerned about, and using/testing calibrations from others.
Color profiles:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/588565/
Yellow:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/901710/
(Curious, what would you say to this guy with this screen?)
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/9727839/
On Apple's own discussions:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=11436771�
I will do this tomorrow but with the few days I have left and the work week coming up (I've got a HUGE project at work), I really don't think I'll have the time beyond a phone call to Applecare to replace it if I decide to. I'll try though. But you know what, that person last night is making some sense to me and I may just keep it and forget it if I can.
mrwonkers (great name btw
, can you give a link to the profile you're using? I'd like to give it a test and see how it looks. Thank you!mrwonkers (great name btw
Hope this works 4 U this profile is pretty muchly perfection on my MB 17" AG.
Two exact same model displays that use the same color profile can have different results.
I did not expect you to bring a calibrator to the store, but in order to make any judgment, both displays would have to be calibrated.
The problem with your logic is that the "extreme angle" is probably close to parallel with the area of the screen you are claiming to be yellow tinted. To understand this better, do some reading about how the different LCD types actually work.
You are misunderstanding my comment. I mean if you want your display to match the one in the store, you would need to manual calibrate your screen to match. And more than likely you would have good results, if this is within your capabilities.
The issue with the iMacs is not the same issue, and iMacs use a different type of LCD, IPS.
The reason you would have to adjust any presets is because neither is correct and the same presets on two different monitors will have different end results.
As far as using others calibrations, when I first got my macbook pro, I download several calibrated color profiles from threads on this site. And quite expectantly, everyone of the calibrated profiles produced different results even though the profiles were all for the panel 9CC2. I did the same also with my Dell UltraSharp, but in the end, I just ended up calibrating them myself.
Good Luck with your decision
Typically, people on MacRumors trying to act like "experts" defending their favorite brand at any cost.
Previous generation unibody MacBook Pros did NOT have this problem. I've seen the same problem on some cheap TN displays, and it means that Apple has saved on them this time.
How do you imagine calibrating a certain area of a screen that is backlit differently?
Apple is using the same manufacturers. And the model numbers appear successive from the model numbers in the previous generation macbooks.
My point was that in order to make any judgment about which panel is better both must be calibrated. Both displays from the pictures showed the white square at the bottom to not match the square at the top, so I am not following your reasoning.
