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Am I the only one who doesn't get the hype about retina displays?
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According to this forum and posts like this, every Apple product is plagued with issues.
Again...I think most would find an example to be a bit more helpful.
Especially when you make a statement like: "truthfully it's not even that fantastic of a display compared to higher end displays on Windows-based laptops."
We all get it's your opinion, lets back it up with one example of those "higher end displays on Windows-based laptops" so anyone in question can use your post in a meaningful way or at a minimum determine if your statement has any merit.
Clarity and sharpness. The screen is football fields ahead of any laptop in the market right now. I have a 2011 Hi-Resolution 15" and can't stand looking at it's display because the rMBP's is THAT much better!
I see so much more detail on the rMBP and it's very easy on the eyes too!!! [ I'm 27, and don't need glasses ....yet]
High resolution is great, but it's no good if it's slow. Personally I'd rather sacrifice a drop in absolute resolution to gain significant improvements with FPS.
I have a 2010 MBP. I think the screen looks great, and I don't think the Retina display looks that much better.
Would that provide anything? I mean I basically stated that previously.
Everyone's eyes are different...that being said...I don't agree even coming off a 17" Hi-Res machine.
More interested in the "higher end displays on Windows-based laptops" you are suggesting.
Like I said, it's an opinion, not a fact. You are basically verifying what I told you.
As far as Windows-based laptops look at any workstation or portable HP/Samsung/etc with an IPS display. The Retina doesn't look that much better, and therefore I personally call it hype. I am not saying other screens are better in terms of this , that, and the other thing. It's not a technical statement, it's an opinion. I personally do not see what all of the hype is about anyway.
Half of the people that are using the display probably use it to view text anyway. "It's so CRISP" as if it wasn't already on previous displays.
My vision is fine.
Are you saying that the text on a regular MBP non-retina display does not look good? I'm not saying it's as "crisp" as it is on the Retina, it's just not even that serious of a factor. That's the definition of hype, sir.
That was my advice regarding the OP's dilemma. My subsequent post doesn't contradict it because we are talking about two different things...
So... Is it the general consensus from anti-rMBP members that if we can notice visual, significant, or in any way positive difference between the retina display and other displays (cMBP, IPS, etc.) then we are just witnessing an optical illusion created by clever Apple marketing?
I've been using 13" MBP for 3 years, looked at retina in the store, spent some time using it, but didn't think it was worth the price tag for me.
I don't personally think the retina display is right for me. I have too many apps that I'm not willing to upgrade and i'm a bit worried about them looking worse on retina (is this actually an issue). I also remember having retina on my ipod touch before I switched to android and my Android screen suited me just fine even though I'd started with the retina screen.
Personally I think apple really wants to turn retina into the premium feature they use to sell Macs. Especially as pc vendors begin to catch up in other areas. I do appreciate that they are making this a gradual transition. If you like retina you can buy it and for people like me and the op who don't get it we can still buy cheaper macbooks.
Personally I think apple really wants to turn retina into the premium feature they use to sell Macs. Especially as pc vendors begin to catch up in other areas. I do appreciate that they are making this a gradual transition. If you like retina you can buy it and for people like me and the op who don't get it we can still buy cheaper macbooks.
You're just kidding...right ?
If not, I seriously and genuinely recommend having your vision checked.
Retina makes it possible to have several windows/programs opened at the same time, and still see 'em clearly - that's the reason why I'm a fan of retina.
Slow as in... games ? or Lag when scrolling Facebook ? [ which I don't use ] or just general choppiness ? [ which I don't experience at all since 10.8.2 ]
The latest EFI update has screwed up the FPS! You may need to do a SMC reset to jump the FPS rate, and it's only a temporary fix.
Ultimately, I don't play games on my cMBP [ 2011 15" HR + AG ] or my rMBP, and I did not purchase the rMBP for gaming to begin with because I'd be setting myself for a mild disappointment.
The screen resolution has been great for me because I'm on the computer for a good chunk of my work day, and the Retina display causes much less eye fatigue than any other I've used.
I mean it obviously looks better, don't get me wrong. My point is that I see nothing wrong with my 2010. I don't look at it and think that I should upgrade to Retina due to the lack of crisp text and detailed icons.
Understand? Or still no?
to me, maybe because i use my mac from enough distance away that the 15" hi res doesnt look bad at all.
the 1440x900 mbp is pixelated to me, even worse is the 13" MBP - unacceptable. Lego pixels. But the 15" hi res is sufficient for me.
I used the retina macbook pro, and at the equivalent 1680x1050, yeah it looks really nice and sharp, but not leaps and bounds ahead of the 15" hires in user experience when compared to the retina jump of the ipad and the iphone. I would venture to even say that the difference is perhaps 10% smoother/better. I simply sit too far away to notice - actually, the only pixelation i notice is the pixelation on the facebook logo on the retina macbook pro!
source: i have a hi-res 15" and my good friend has a retina mbp, that we used for a media project. I also had an ipad 2 that i upgraded to the ipad 3 for the screen, which i loved, and an iphone 3gs which i upgraded to a 4
the 1440x900 mbp is pixelated to me, even worse is the 13" MBP - unacceptable. Lego pixels. But the 15" hi res is sufficient for me.
I used the retina macbook pro, and at the equivalent 1680x1050, yeah it looks really nice and sharp, but not leaps and bounds ahead of the 15" hires in user experience when compared to the retina jump of the ipad and the iphone. I would venture to even say that the difference is perhaps 10% smoother/better. I simply sit too far away to notice - actually, the only pixelation i notice is the pixelation on the facebook logo on the retina macbook pro!
source: i have a hi-res 15" and my good friend has a retina mbp, that we used for a media project. I also had an ipad 2 that i upgraded to the ipad 3 for the screen, which i loved, and an iphone 3gs which i upgraded to a 4
I get it.. I still use my 2011 15" MBP and, yes there's nothing *wrong* with the screen. It's just that the screen on the Retina is quite superior...at least to my eyes.
It's like going from SD to HD.. While SD is just fine to watch, HD gives you a much detailed and sharper view of the same content.
Well its hands down the best screen on any computer that has every been mass-produced....things look amazing on it, its ahead of its time even. As someone said before, its like going to VHS to Blu-Ray (maybe even more so, considering text is a big part of how many people use the computer!). Text is crisp, colors pop, plus its an IPS!
Thats why I've been waiting for a 13 rMBP
Thats why I've been waiting for a 13 rMBP
Pixels not resolution
Aaah okay - thanks, that makes sense now.
I actually went and looked at one earlier today and could tell the difference in the sharpness - particularly of text, but to be honest overall it didn't look that much better than the standard Macbook Pro when viewing photo's and using it for web browsing (which was all I could really try out in the shop).
Certainly the claim that someone else on here made about it being like going from VHS to Blu ray is grossly exaggerated.
DVD to Blu Ray maybe.
I've decided I'm sticking with my antiglare 2011 Quad core i7 17" until it dies. Now Apple have killed the 17" model off, I'm not sure I could regress to what is (effectively) a 1440 x 900 resolution again and a glossy screen, however much clearer it may display text. I'm also one of the few who actually still uses the DVD drive regularly too, so it's omission from the retina model is an issue for me, so it's not going to be on my 'to buy' list just yet.
If it gets better and cheaper over the next couple of years, then I'll take another look in 2014.
Right now though, it looks like my beloved 17" is going to be with me a long time, which is fine as it's a fab piece of kit!
Aaah okay - thanks, that makes sense now.
I actually went and looked at one earlier today and could tell the difference in the sharpness - particularly of text, but to be honest overall it didn't look that much better than the standard Macbook Pro when viewing photo's and using it for web browsing (which was all I could really try out in the shop).
Certainly the claim that someone else on here made about it being like going from VHS to Blu ray is grossly exaggerated.
DVD to Blu Ray maybe.
I've decided I'm sticking with my antiglare 2011 Quad core i7 17" until it dies. Now Apple have killed the 17" model off, I'm not sure I could regress to what is (effectively) a 1440 x 900 resolution again and a glossy screen, however much clearer it may display text. I'm also one of the few who actually still uses the DVD drive regularly too, so it's omission from the retina model is an issue for me, so it's not going to be on my 'to buy' list just yet.
If it gets better and cheaper over the next couple of years, then I'll take another look in 2014.
Right now though, it looks like my beloved 17" is going to be with me a long time, which is fine as it's a fab piece of kit!
Honestly, if Windows laptop users were even half as picky as some of the people here, the average exchange rate would be much higher.
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Aaah okay - thanks, that makes sense now.
I actually went and looked at one earlier today and could tell the difference in the sharpness - particularly of text, but to be honest overall it didn't look that much better than the standard Macbook Pro when viewing photo's and using it for web browsing (which was all I could really try out in the shop).
Certainly the claim that someone else on here made about it being like going from VHS to Blu ray is grossly exaggerated.
DVD to Blu Ray maybe.
I've decided I'm sticking with my antiglare 2011 Quad core i7 17" until it dies. Now Apple have killed the 17" model off, I'm not sure I could regress to what is (effectively) a 1440 x 900 resolution again and a glossy screen, however much clearer it may display text. I'm also one of the few who actually still uses the DVD drive regularly too, so it's omission from the retina model is an issue for me, so it's not going to be on my 'to buy' list just yet.
If it gets better and cheaper over the next couple of years, then I'll take another look in 2014.
Right now though, it looks like my beloved 17" is going to be with me a long time, which is fine as it's a fab piece of kit!
I suppose if you don't feel there's a large difference going from DVD to Blu-ray, then the laptop isn't for you. Technically, DVD to blu-ray is a bigger leap (in terms of quality) than VHS to DVD.
And I wouldn't worry about the workspace. As more apps get optimized for retina, the workspace will be used more efficiently. Graphics and such will be rendered at 1:1 so that you can fit more on the screen, while UI elements would be rendered in HiDPI mode so that they're easily readable. Best of both worlds.
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I would assert that text on a regular MBP looks terrible. It's been a complaint of mine ever since I switched to OSX - the text just looks really blurry. I always got headaches after a while on my old air. No such issues with the rMBP
Aaah okay - thanks, that makes sense now.
I actually went and looked at one earlier today and could tell the difference in the sharpness - particularly of text, but to be honest overall it didn't look that much better than the standard Macbook Pro when viewing photo's and using it for web browsing (which was all I could really try out in the shop).
Certainly the claim that someone else on here made about it being like going from VHS to Blu ray is grossly exaggerated.
DVD to Blu Ray maybe.
I've decided I'm sticking with my antiglare 2011 Quad core i7 17" until it dies. Now Apple have killed the 17" model off, I'm not sure I could regress to what is (effectively) a 1440 x 900 resolution again and a glossy screen, however much clearer it may display text. I'm also one of the few who actually still uses the DVD drive regularly too, so it's omission from the retina model is an issue for me, so it's not going to be on my 'to buy' list just yet.
If it gets better and cheaper over the next couple of years, then I'll take another look in 2014.
Right now though, it looks like my beloved 17" is going to be with me a long time, which is fine as it's a fab piece of kit!
I think if you spent more time on one you would notice more of a difference but I guess its just a matter of opinion.
long live the 17 inch!
I really wasn't planning on getting a new computer at this time my MacBook Pro 17" from a couple years ago is doing fine except for the fact it needs a new trackpad.
But that one problem and the fact that Apple has discontinued the 17" got me thinking
Should I grab one of the last refurbished late Oct. 2011 17" 2.5 ghz models and max it out with RAM and a SSD (set it up with 2 drives, moving the 750gb to the DVD slot) to get me over the hump?
With that in mind I took my 17" to the Apple Store to compare it side-by-side to the retina. I can say the retina is beautiful, good contrast, and very very clear and sharp. The 17" was very close, and I'm not using a magnifying glass to look at the screen, viewing from a normal working distance. Where the 17" had the advantage was at 'native' resolution. Yes, the retina can show the same 1920 x 1200 of the 17" but everything is smaller. Reading text on the 17" is not a problem for me, but I don't want it smaller than it already is, or viewing other contents that are again smaller than a native resolution 17". I may be missing something, but the 17" desktop is bigger.
The 17" is my 'desktop'. I don't travel with it unless its going into the car for a trip to the other house where it is setup in a table again. So size isn't a problem, although I do understand some people that carry their computer everyday want something a bit smaller and so the retina could be the best of both worlds for them.
Well For me I didn't see the point of a retina at this time. Maybe in a couple years when everything has settle down and it has the newest processor and video card, and larger SSD, all the bugs are worked out and all the developers and web sites have retina on the brain - and maybe even a retina 17" screen by then.
Today I received my refurbished 17" thinking better get one while I still could. It has Thunderbolt, plus the [now] older ports for my many 'legacy' hard drives to use without adapters (and or course the express card port to add anything extra I want), still a very nice anti-glare screen, looks the same on the outside as my 2010 17", but the internals are the last best and as I said I'll be maxing it out.
For those of us that have had the 17" its not 'old' tech, its still the best computer I've ever had and will have for at least a few more years.
I really wasn't planning on getting a new computer at this time my MacBook Pro 17" from a couple years ago is doing fine except for the fact it needs a new trackpad.
But that one problem and the fact that Apple has discontinued the 17" got me thinking
Should I grab one of the last refurbished late Oct. 2011 17" 2.5 ghz models and max it out with RAM and a SSD (set it up with 2 drives, moving the 750gb to the DVD slot) to get me over the hump?
With that in mind I took my 17" to the Apple Store to compare it side-by-side to the retina. I can say the retina is beautiful, good contrast, and very very clear and sharp. The 17" was very close, and I'm not using a magnifying glass to look at the screen, viewing from a normal working distance. Where the 17" had the advantage was at 'native' resolution. Yes, the retina can show the same 1920 x 1200 of the 17" but everything is smaller. Reading text on the 17" is not a problem for me, but I don't want it smaller than it already is, or viewing other contents that are again smaller than a native resolution 17". I may be missing something
, but the 17" desktop is bigger.The 17" is my 'desktop'. I don't travel with it unless its going into the car for a trip to the other house where it is setup in a table again. So size isn't a problem, although I do understand some people that carry their computer everyday want something a bit smaller and so the retina could be the best of both worlds for them.
Well For me I didn't see the point of a retina at this time. Maybe in a couple years when everything has settle down and it has the newest processor and video card, and larger SSD, all the bugs are worked out and all the developers and web sites have retina on the brain - and maybe even a retina 17" screen by then.
Today I received my refurbished 17" thinking better get one while I still could. It has Thunderbolt, plus the [now] older ports for my many 'legacy' hard drives to use without adapters (and or course the express card port to add anything extra I want), still a very nice anti-glare screen, looks the same on the outside as my 2010 17", but the internals are the last best and as I said I'll be maxing it out.
For those of us that have had the 17" its not 'old' tech, its still the best computer I've ever had and will have for at least a few more years.