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it wasnt from 2007 it was from 2010 or so...... A $50 smartphone...... yea like any smart phone cheaper than a computer (or one more expensive) will be any better than a real computer?..... Please........... I knew what i was getting into with a PowerMac G4 but it can do everything a 2008 Windows XP or MacBook can do...


I don't think OEMs were still licensing XP in 2008. Also, I don't think your Dual 1.25GHz PowerMac G4, which is the same as mine, can equal the performance of a top-of-the line i7 or even i5 Haswell or even an AMD FX9000 and up. The difference here is that the PowerMac G4 WAS the top of the line in 2000-2003, now the top-tier Haswell Xeon and i7 are the best of the best. So if your telling me that a dual processor 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 in a PowerMac G4 can do everything that a 3.5GHz i7-5820k or a 3.4GHz Xeon-E7-8893 v2?

Sorry, but you lose... :)
 
I don't think OEMs were still licensing XP in 2008.

Actually they were, all the way up to 2011.

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Also, I don't think your Dual 1.25GHz PowerMac G4, which is the same as mine, can equal the performance of a top-of-the line i7 or even i5 Haswell or even an AMD FX9000 and up. The difference here is that the PowerMac G4 WAS the top of the line in 2000-2003, now the top-tier Haswell Xeon and i7 are the best of the best. So if your telling me that a dual processor 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 in a PowerMac G4 can do everything that a 3.5GHz i7-5820k or a 3.4GHz Xeon-E7-8893 v2?

Sorry, but you lose... :)

Where in that post did he state that a dual G4 = a top of the line i7 or Xeon? :confused:
 
Actually they were, all the way up to 2011.

Wow, I had no clue. Thanks for the info.
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Where in that post did he state that a dual G4 = a top of the line i7 or Xeon? :confused:


He said on multiple occasions in versions posts in and out of the post that his MDD can do anything a modern computer can do. Thus, a modern computer that would be an equivalent to the MDD was in its time (a top of the line computer) would be an i7 or Xeon, both of which exceed speed of 2.00GHz and multiple cores.
 

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OEMs stopped getting specific XP COAs, however downgrade rights were still in effect. Work were buying Vista Business and & 7 Professional COA'd machines from Lenovo in 2011 with XP installed on them from the factory.
 
Not really. I used a smartphone, A family member gave it to me for free because they had a extra one...... Didn't even use it a week, Phone slow as hell, unresponsive, call quality sucked, took me 10 minutes to bring up a web page or type a text message while i can use Google Voice and my computer and send the same text same amount of characters in a fraction of the time. I could type faster on my then keyboard slider phone than on a smartphone.

I've been using mobile internet on phones since 1999 when to do so required a lot of effort and research - I've lost count of how many handsets I've had since then, must be over 50 and I can categorically say, even when it was possible, mobile apps, internet & email were cumbersome and complex to set up prior to iPhone era smartphones. Now, the whole process is transparent, everything works with little or no effort.

You've tried out one smartphone (which might have been a dud) and therefore dismiss the whole strata of devices. It's a bit like saying, I drove a Toyota once and it was crap - so all SUVs are rubbish.
 
I was at a talk earlier this afternoon given by Graham Cooks, one of the modern "masters" of mass spectrometry.

One of the things he showed was a "lab on a chip" mass spectrometer that was controlled by a Blackberry.

So, there again, mass spectrometer aren't dead.
 
you still make no vaild argument. you can get keyboard phones such as a BB Curve, LG900G, Samsung S900 non keyboard phones have T9 type mode which is the same thing as auto correct. Even the speakers on smartphones sound like garbage they are all tinny sounding. my old phone had a 2MP camera 1280x1024 pictures great quality. Call quality is 2G still it sounds no different on a $10 candybar phone then it would on a $750 smart phone. You will experience dead zones on a cell phone PERIOD makes no different what kind it is. there is touch screen phone such as the LG800G that have email, facebook and several other things built right in....

you make no vaild points in any bit of this post...... sorry you lose!

I don't think you can justify a difference between smartphone and cell phone voice quality- some phones will have better quality than other regardless of their style. New phones can do calls over data, which sounds way better than over cellular- period. FaceTime audio sounds 10x better than cellular. I imagine in the not to distant future all calls will be digital.

2G, 3G, 4G as far as I know has little to nothing to do with voice quality but with data transfer speeds. There is a big difference between 3G and 4G. I can honestly say using my iPhone with 4G LTE offers a better web experience than my G5 with cable internet (granted multitasking is a different story).

WiFi is not available everywhere. I live in one of America's biggest, most affluent cities and public WiFi is not that abundant. Try using WiFi on the Subway... it doesn't exist. Most public wifi is super slow too.

What about someone in my career- medicine. Medical information changes constantly and there is so much of it there is no way someone can keep up with all of it- you also don't take a chance leaving all life or death information up to memory. I need an App to check IV medication compatibilities with other IV medications being injected into a patient at the same time. The result if an incompatibility- virtually instant death. I could use a PDA with the information, if the information was even made for PDAs anymore- which it's not. What if I wanted to look up the side effects or contraindications of a drug that was released 2 months ago? It's not going to be in a book. I'm not going to carry around a laptop with me everywhere I go- I move around too much and I don't necessarily have WiFi everywhere in a hospital. In am emergency, I have my phone on me, but won't be running back to my office to grab a computer if someone is blue, not breathing, and has no heartbeat. I can also communicate instantly with ENCRYPTED messaging (which is required by HIPPA) for all patient related matters. Sorry, text messaging specific patient information is illegal and could get my license revoked.

Or my dad who works in finance. He is constantly monitoring stocks and transactions- both in and out of work. Stock trading is a very time sensitive issue. It increases his productivity whether he's in the office or outside of the office. Would you want your stock broker or whoever is controlling your mutual funds or retirement account to miss out on making money or lose you a bunch of money because he was "uninformed" about the market at the moment?

Even aside from business, the majority of people, especially those who are tech savvy have an interest in staying "in contact" no matter where they are. Whether than be messaging, email, or social networking. People value being able to instantly find directions or information they desire without having to step aside to a computer or attempting to find WiFi. $50 a month for many is a nominal amount of money considering the benefit gained. You may not be able to afford the cost of a data plan- or choose the benefit is not worth it. That's fine, but to base your world view on a handful of experiences using old technology is rather biased.

One doesn't need electricity to survive. People lasted thousands of years. They were still able to bath, communicate, stay warm, cook food, etc without it, but it is a convenience that makes life easier.

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I was at a talk earlier this afternoon given by Graham Cooks, one of the modern "masters" of mass spectrometry.

One of the things he showed was a "lab on a chip" mass spectrometer that was controlled by a Blackberry.

So, there again, mass spectrometer aren't dead.

I think I remember reading about this somewhere.
 
Since when is owning a cell/smart phone and a computer and either/or thing. No one is using a smartphone to replace a laptop or desktop. It's a convenience thing. Your needs are different than my needs. Clearly your adaptation of new technology stopped in 2007. All 2007 technology will work great in the context of 2007. Some of us have continued to move forward, others have not.

Personally, carrying an iPhone is much easier than carrying around a phone, PDA, camera, gps, bunch of books, etc.

You know what kind of phone my work gives me? A Motorola Pager. It's not better than a cell phone and no worse because it serves an entirely different purpose and not meant to replace the other.
1. I beg to differ...... I know/known LOTS of people that it IS either/or most people with "Smart"Phones do not even own a computer. (yet they would pay 4x the price for a phone and data when a computer+internet access would be a fraction the price) go figure
OEMs stopped getting specific XP COAs, however downgrade rights were still in effect. Work were buying Vista Business and & 7 Professional COA'd machines from Lenovo in 2011 with XP installed on them from the factory.
I remember that. When i was in middle school my final year or two there they got a bunch of brand new IBM ThinkCentre PC all the computer labs (2 labs plus the library) got them however they still had CRTs and the COA and stickers said Windows XP but every single one of them ran Windows 2000. I went to a charter HS which uses Macs so i have no idea when the mainstream schools finally upgraded to XP.
I've been using mobile internet on phones since 1999 when to do so required a lot of effort and research - I've lost count of how many handsets I've had since then, must be over 50 and I can categorically say, even when it was possible, mobile apps, internet & email were cumbersome and complex to set up prior to iPhone era smartphones. Now, the whole process is transparent, everything works with little or no effort.

You've tried out one smartphone (which might have been a dud) and therefore dismiss the whole strata of devices. It's a bit like saying, I drove a Toyota once and it was crap - so all SUVs are rubbish.
I didn't try one smartphone, I TRIED a smartphone USED a DROID Tab AND even ran DROID-x86 on my C2D laptop, all sucked sure the Tab was better (and newer version OS) than the phone but it was still slower than frozen molasses, even though it had way better specs (DC 1GHz nVIDIA CPU, 512MB RAM, 16GB storage) vs the (700MHz, 64MB RAM and 500MB storage of the phone). It was better as far as response time however (I even still have the Tab but its dead and its not worth the waste of $60 to fix it)
DROID x86 was much better as far as preformance but the fact that 90% of the apps i installed on it (facebook, Facebook Messenger, Skype, Spotify to list a few) crashed upon opening and never worked, made it not even worth using.
I don't think you can justify a difference between smartphone and cell phone voice quality- some phones will have better quality than other regardless of their style. New phones can do calls over data, which sounds way better than over cellular- period. FaceTime audio sounds 10x better than cellular. I imagine in the not to distant future all calls will be digital.

2G, 3G, 4G as far as I know has little to nothing to do with voice quality but with data transfer speeds. There is a big difference between 3G and 4G. I can honestly say using my iPhone with 4G LTE offers a better web experience than my G5 with cable internet (granted multitasking is a different story).

WiFi is not available everywhere. I live in one of America's biggest, most affluent cities and public WiFi is not that abundant. Try using WiFi on the Subway... it doesn't exist. Most public wifi is super slow too.

What about someone in my career- medicine. Medical information changes constantly and there is so much of it there is no way someone can keep up with all of it- you also don't take a chance leaving all life or death information up to memory. I need an App to check IV medication compatibilities with other IV medications being injected into a patient at the same time. The result if an incompatibility- virtually instant death. I could use a PDA with the information, if the information was even made for PDAs anymore- which it's not. What if I wanted to look up the side effects or contraindications of a drug that was released 2 months ago? It's not going to be in a book. I'm not going to carry around a laptop with me everywhere I go- I move around too much and I don't necessarily have WiFi everywhere in a hospital. In am emergency, I have my phone on me, but won't be running back to my office to grab a computer if someone is blue, not breathing, and has no heartbeat. I can also communicate instantly with ENCRYPTED messaging (which is required by HIPPA) for all patient related matters. Sorry, text messaging specific patient information is illegal and could get my license revoked.

Or my dad who works in finance. He is constantly monitoring stocks and transactions- both in and out of work. Stock trading is a very time sensitive issue. It increases his productivity whether he's in the office or outside of the office. Would you want your stock broker or whoever is controlling your mutual funds or retirement account to miss out on making money or lose you a bunch of money because he was "uninformed" about the market at the moment?

Even aside from business, the majority of people, especially those who are tech savvy have an interest in staying "in contact" no matter where they are. Whether than be messaging, email, or social networking. People value being able to instantly find directions or information they desire without having to step aside to a computer or attempting to find WiFi. $50 a month for many is a nominal amount of money considering the benefit gained. You may not be able to afford the cost of a data plan- or choose the benefit is not worth it. That's fine, but to base your world view on a handful of experiences using old technology is rather biased.

One doesn't need electricity to survive. People lasted thousands of years. They were still able to bath, communicate, stay warm, cook food, etc without it, but it is a convenience that makes life easier.

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I think I remember reading about this somewhere.

1. Phones have been Digital for YEARS they made it a requirement in 2008 or so thats why you can no longer activate Alltel cell phones with Verizon anymore or why you cannot activate late 90s phones on any network anymore.
2. cant speak for 4G but i know FOR A FACT that 3G is no faster than 2G/EDGE data speeds infact it is WORSE I have 3G on my phone, every website i goto i get a Connection Interrupted or Timeout error, Half the time i cannot even check my Minutes (which uses the phone's internet browser) because ill get the same errors.
3. I tend to disagree, 95% of the time Public wifi is/was MUCH faster than my 15,30 and eventually 60Mbps home cable internet connection.
 
1. I beg to differ...... I know/known LOTS of people that it IS either/or most people with "Smart"Phones do not even own a computer. (yet they would pay 4x the price for a phone and data when a computer+internet access would be a fraction the price) go figure


I beg to differ as well, what happens when you are in collage and you are on a budget. I'd say to get an iPad because all the books would be available on there as opposed to spending a massive amount of money to borrow books for a semester. It would definitely be saving you money. Also, what happens while you're in collage and you don't have WiFi on your phone, you need that 4G in order to do anything, including give internet access to your laptop to use.

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I don't know about you, but I'm not even going to bother.


I just had one argument to make, then I'm done. It's just not worth it anymore.
 
I beg to differ as well, what happens when you are in collage and you are on a budget. I'd say to get an iPad because all the books would be available on there as opposed to spending a massive amount of money to borrow books for a semester. It would definitely be saving you money. Also, what happens while you're in collage and you don't have WiFi on your phone, you need that 4G in order to do anything, including give internet access to your laptop to use.

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I just had one argument to make, then I'm done. It's just not worth it anymore.

every college has wifi available to use and you can get 4G data cards (SIM or USB) that work in any computer......
 
2. cant speak for 4G but i know FOR A FACT that 3G is no faster than 2G/EDGE data speeds infact it is WORSE I have 3G on my phone, every website i goto i get a Connection Interrupted or Timeout error, Half the time i cannot even check my Minutes (which uses the phone's internet browser) because ill get the same errors.

Having just returned from a place down in the North Carolina mountains where I had to drive about 5 miles from the hotel to even get a cell signal at all, I've had some recent experience with this.

When I did have service, I was bouncing between no data, 2g/Edge, 3g, and 4g/LTE. I can assure that for web browsing, 3g is miles ahead of 2g, and 4g an even bigger improvement.

Back when 3g was all we had(i.e. back in the days of the iPhone 3g) it was plenty fast and pretty much instantaneous but-like dial-up internet and browsers on PPC computers-the internet has become "bloated" enough that it can feel slow today. Mobile sites make a HUGE difference as they tend to be very lightweight and also don't usually have ads.
 
Having just returned from a place down in the North Carolina mountains where I had to drive about 5 miles from the hotel to even get a cell signal at all, I've had some recent experience with this.

When I did have service, I was bouncing between no data, 2g/Edge, 3g, and 4g/LTE. I can assure that for web browsing, 3g is miles ahead of 2g, and 4g an even bigger improvement.

Back when 3g was all we had(i.e. back in the days of the iPhone 3g) it was plenty fast and pretty much instantaneous but-like dial-up internet and browsers on PPC computers-the internet has become "bloated" enough that it can feel slow today. Mobile sites make a HUGE difference as they tend to be very lightweight and also don't usually have ads.

My phone is 3G and i have usually 5 bars, however the fact I am on the basic Data plan ($1.50/1MB/Day could have something to do with that...... My EM326G using Opera Mini was 2G and although it WAS a huge PITA to use the internet on it, I DID get free data (loophole with the phone) its was atleast usable.

EDIT: Wifi is way faster than 4G (or so ive read)
 
My phone is 3G and i have usually 5 bars, however the fact I am on the basic Data plan ($1.50/1MB/Day could have something to do with that...... My EM326G using Opera Mini was 2G and although it WAS a huge PITA to use the internet on it, I DID get free data (loophole with the phone) its was atleast usable.

EDIT: Wifi is way faster than 4G (or so ive read)

Broadband is definitely faster, but then I'm not downloading big files on my iPhone or doing anything on it which calls for a lot of bandwidth.

For browsing, both are instantaneous for all intents and purposes.

4g is definitely faster than the crummy WiFi at the hotel where I'm staying now.
 
2. cant speak for 4G but i know FOR A FACT that 3G is no faster than 2G/EDGE data speeds infact it is WORSE I have 3G on my phone, every website i goto i get a Connection Interrupted or Timeout error, Half the time i cannot even check my Minutes (which uses the phone's internet browser) because ill get the same errors.

OK, prove it. With reputable sources please.

3G networks where I live can appear slow, but it's down to contention.

As for 4G (or LTE for my american cousins), my iPhone 6 is nearly twice as fast as my home DSL connection downstream, and over twenty times faster upstream.
 
Broadband is definitely faster, but then I'm not downloading big files on my iPhone or doing anything on it which calls for a lot of bandwidth.
I have Sprint and pay monthly for unlimited data. I'm not downloading big files on my iPhone 5 either.

I think you and I have a different reason for that though. :D
 
Your 3G is what my LTE (4G) is on Sprint. :D

That result seems quite quick if I'm honest. If I'm at work during the day (same cell tower - only 1/4mile away!) this is more typical :
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which brings me back to my point a few posts back about network contention/congestion.

That 4G result is mega. They've just enabled fibre for my DSL cabinet this week, and that'll "only" be 38Mb/10Mb. Unfortunately my 4G network limit tethered data to 2GB. :(
 
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