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Unless you want to spend up to and over $150NZD/AUS on high priority courier Amazon is anywhere from 18 days to a month.

Yeah too bad AUS and NZD can't make their own eReader devices, and instead depend on other countries to sell it to them. Made in China, but designed and distributed in the US. Eat it, third worlder.
 
Im not sure if i prefer books or ebooks. Ive never had an encounter with an ebook. I think devices like the Kindle are pretty nice if youre traveling or something and you probably will read multiple books.

One nice thing about e-readers is you can carry your entire library with you and then read anything that appeals to you at any given moment. Or you can look something up whenever you want.

This applies to other things too. I was visiting my dad when we started talking about my childhood. He mentioned a particular cartoon I liked when I was young that he remembered watching with me. I grabbed my iPad and pulled out a video episode of that very show. I wasn't planning to watch it on my trip, but because it was in my video library it was there for me to surprise him with.

This is a very 21st-century thing to be able to do, and I loved it.
 
Let's have fun.
Which is at least an order of magnitude too bright if you are used to reading astronomical charts and aviation maps under a dim red pen light so as not to destroy your night vision.
What is an 'order of magnitude' to you in terms of vision? It takes about 4x as much candlepower/lumens for your human eye to notice that it is twice as bright. Is that an order of magnitude? So, have you measured the output of all of the lights you use, including the iPad? How does the supposed 5% factor in?

And if I don't destroy my night vision when reading in bed with an overbright tablet display, then I don't need to turn on the room lights and wake everybody up when I need to get up at night.

Both my day and night vision are excellent, BTW. What's the problem with your night vision?

'Night vision'. What is that? Do you walk around with IR goggles on most of the time? If not, you are seeing with visible light, because that is what human eyes can do. That means that you don't need room lights because some other light is already on. Perhaps a street light, a night light, the moon, alarm clock display, whatever. Have you ever been in complete and total darkness? You. Will. See. Nothing.

Some people may have less ambient light in the middle of the night. Also, there is no magic night vision ability. Eye ability varies from person to person, just like any other physical characteristic. But it also varies with the current state of your eyes (pupil dilation), not just the permanent state.
 
Isn't it hilarious how people decide, literally sight unseen, that the iPad will hurt their eyes, while writing that opinion on the same backlit screen they been reading from for years.

Obviously you haven't read my posts complaining about the ultra/super/mega/hyper glossy screens.

Both the iPad's and the MacBook Pros' screens are a pain. Since the beginning, I advocated that with the current screen, the iPad is not suitable as an e-reader. That is a task that needs e-ink or similar display technologies.
 
Obviously you haven't read my posts complaining about the ultra/super/mega/hyper glossy screens.

Both the iPad's and the MacBook Pros' screens are a pain. Since the beginning, I advocated that with the current screen, the iPad is not suitable as an e-reader. That is a task that needs e-ink or similar display technologies.

No, I haven't seen your posts, sorry. I'm on the other side of this issue. I insist on glossy screens and never have an issue with them.

To me the iPad is so perfect as an e-reader that I am getting rid of my print books. I never want to read a paper book again.
 
Introducing the new amazon kindle, the ereader that's so annoying to get outside America you might as well not bother.

OT, why do people keep on comparing a Kindle to an iPad? The iPad does so much more than a kindle.

for some e-Ink is THE killer app. Keep an open mind.
 
Here is my question...

I have been on the fence about these e-readers for a bit, now that I have gotten back into reading. I hate clutter more than anything so these are right up my alley. I just love the feel of a real hard cover book.

Anyways, here is my question. The browser on the kindle, I know you cannot compare it to the iPad or even an iPhone because of the eInk screen, however, do they let you use the unlimited 3G to say check mail, etc. if you are to purchase the 3G version?

I played with one in the past, the first version, and the browser is definately berable. I mean, heck, the iPhone doesn't even support flash as it is so nearly all sites have mobile versions which the kindle can handle. Now, I wouldn't get into a hour long session with this or anything...Just if I needed it for something.
 
If the iPad cost $139/$189, then you'd have a point. As it is, you really don't. You pay a premium of $350 and up for that multi-use device - if all you want is an e-reader, that's not an intelligent thing to do.



You may not realize it, but you didn't actually counter the statement "it's a quarter of the iPad's price" in the least. Some bozo who owns a 15 lb. 20" Toshiba laptop could just as easily mock your iPad, according to your "logic" anyway.

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Good grief, why do some people seem to need self-validation that apparently they can only achieve through sophomoric mockery? You love your iPad? Great! My daughter loves her iPad too - but my wife prefers her Kindle.

Why are you guys so insecure that you take any differing opinions or preferences as a personal affront?

The defensiveness in your post says the exact thing about you. :p
 
Youre so helpful. :rolleyes: Ok. Any other explanations?

Because room light on ink(or e-ink) is easier for the eyes then backlit? Not to mention the Nook/Kindle are lighter and can be easily held in more positions then the iPad for READING.
 
Youre so helpful. :rolleyes: Ok. Any other explanations?

e-Ink is the technology behind the screen on Kindles. It's what gives it that paper-like look. It's also what forces it to be black-and-white only. It's also what forces that awful blink-and-pause between pages. It's why I hated the look of Kindles, and why I find the iPad screen to be so much nicer. But obviously some people prefer e-Ink and they like to talk about it as if it's an advantage. To them it is. To me it's a laughable disability.
 
Because room light on ink(or e-ink) is easier for the eyes then backlit? Not to mention the Nook/Kindle are lighter and can be easily held in more positions then the iPad for READING.
I was asking WHAT it is.
e-Ink is the technology behind the screen on Kindles. It's what gives it that paper-like look. It's also what forces it to be black-and-white only. It's also what forces that awful blink-and-pause between pages. It's why I hated the look of Kindles, and why I find the iPad screen to be so much nicer. But obviously some people prefer e-Ink and they like to talk about it as if it's an advantage. To them it is. To me it's a laughable disability.
Thank you!... I think i understand now.
 
Let's have fun.

What is an 'order of magnitude' to you in terms of vision?
Factor of 10.
The instantaneous contrast ratio of the human eye is at least 100 to 1 (in lumens). If you wait more than a couple seconds for accommodation, it's reported to range from 10,000:1 to over 1,000,000:1 (20 photographic "stops"). 5% is less than 5 stops down.
So you only need a small fraction of one percent of full daylight-suitable backlight level to read black&white text perfectly well in the dark.



'Night vision'. What is that?

Your lack of education about naked eye astronomy is showing. Night vision is what you use to see many more stars at night when away from city lights. Or what you use to walk around on moonlit nights without any flashlight.

Google it.

Or ask a licensed pilot why they carry dim red flashlights.
 
Which is at least an order of magnitude too bright if you are used to reading astronomical charts and aviation maps under a dim red pen light so as not to destroy your night vision.

And if I don't destroy my night vision when reading in bed with an overbright tablet display, then I don't need to turn on the room lights and wake everybody up when I need to get up at night.

Both my day and night vision are excellent, BTW. What's the problem with your night vision?

I was not the one having difficulty with vision.

Second, your eye responds relatively quickly to low light levels, assuming your rods and cones are normal, (about 5-8 minutes for cones and about a half hour or so for rods). So unless you're getting up immediately after reading from your too-bright iPad, you would not have any problem recovering full night vision, depending on ambient conditions.

Third, the iPad has two brightness controls, one in the settings panel, and a much more effective one in iBooks, which goes to almost black. You should try it again.

You'll agree, won't you, that creating a consumer product suitable for reading at night at Kitts Peak or in the cockpit of a B2 is not quite the very slender marketing demographic Apple should be targeting? So a perceived inability to meet those needs is not a defect in design? Maybe Apple should develop a military version with red light, or just go to an art/photo store and buy sheet of transparent red overlay to fit on your iPad window.
 
Yeah too bad AUS and NZD can't make their own eReader devices, and instead depend on other countries to sell it to them. Made in China, but designed and distributed in the US. Eat it, third worlder.

What? AUS/NZ are first world countries, and we do have an e-Reader called the Kobo. Naturally, Amazon has a wider range than Whitcoulls therefore the Kindle is a better product.
 
Yeah too bad AUS and NZD can't make their own eReader devices, and instead depend on other countries to sell it to them. Made in China, but designed and distributed in the US. Eat it, third worlder.

Did a dingo steal your baby?
 
I was about to pull the trigger and buy the Kindle 2 for $189 about three weeks ago. A lack of money kept me from doing so. Then I read about a possible new model in August. Glad I waited.

Now, do I want to save myself $50 and go with the wifi only model? I like the idea of having the 3G on the device, but I don't know if it would be that beneficial. What are the benefits besides being able to buy a book on the go (when a hotspot isn't available)?
 
I think that's it, unless Kindle has some robust Web-reading capabilities. But I definitely think the Kindle is a good e-book reader and concentrates everything on being one. I knew, going in, the iPad was my choice because I wanted a machine that (while can do e-book reading well) had more dynamic aspects to it. It's software support from the Appstore was a big selling point for me. That meant it was a device that kind of expands its function based on Apps.

Nowadays, it's kind of like to laptops what laptops are to desktops. It may not have all the capabilities of a laptop, but for consumers, the app support is through the roof. (In some ways I almost say. "What do you know? An apple product with heavy mainstream software support.")
 
This may be naive of me, but why get a 3G Kindle if the Wifi one has Whispernet and Wifi anyway? Other than for international travel?

That's what I'm asking myself right now. We don't have access to wifi at work (due to security purposes), but I'm not sure how often I'd be reading at work anyway. The only reason I can see the 3G as being a benefit is during travel, which I rarely do. I almost like the option as a "just in case" sort of insurance. However, $50 is quite a bit...
 
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