Amazon Begins Accepting Pre-Orders for Mac OS X Snow Leopard

[AidenShaw]

Otoh

I understand people being upset that SL won't fully support their machines. I spent almost $4,000 on a Mac Pro less than a year and half ago, and it won't support some of the aspects of SL, like OpenCL.

On the other hand, Microsoft has a "Grand Central" like theading feature that they're introducing.

... and it works on Windows 7, Vista and XP.

Oh my, the latest technology on the OS that you bought 8 years ago. Why does Apple stiff people who bought a system a year or two ago?

 

[John.B]

Here's one: Put the real timeline back in iMovie. Until that happens, I'm going to soldier on with HD 6. As a result, I won't be able to get a new camcorder.

Did you submit feedback asking them to do this?

http://www.apple.com/feedback/imovie.html

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

Did you submit feedback asking them to do this?

http://www.apple.com/feedback/imovie.html

No, because it won't make a difference.

 

[iMaggot]

Nice, i need to Pre-Order this badboy

 

[HyperZboy]

It was 2006 and early 2006. We're almost to 2010. So you're wrong.

I'm not lazy or uninformed. I've heard about some graphics cards which may not be supported, or haven't been included in the build yet. Personally, I think you're full of it. The requirements specifically state that the only requirements are an intel processor, 1 GB of ram, 5 GB of hard drive space and a DVD drive. I'll go with Apple's official website over your paranoid rantings.

Did you ever stop to think that if the people who care are 75% Intel users... that maybe Apple has made the right decision? Or should they wait until it's 90%?

Some of what I said are my opinions, but I'll repeat the absolute facts for the hearing impaired.

#1) The last G5 was still sold less than 3 years ago. Go to EveryMac.com if you don't believe me.
You're just plain wrong. It's not been 4 years or anywhere near 4 years.

#2) It's been widely reported that some of Snow Leopard's features are not supported on many INTEL machines and technically CANNOT BE anymore than they could be supported on PowerPC!
I didn't say Snow Leopard wouldn't work at all on certain INTEL machines.
I simply pointed this out because people keep claiming that the reason a PowerPC version isn't possible is because of all these new features. Well, guess what?

Some of those features won't even be working on MANY INTEL Macs with INTEL graphics!

So, it's a lame excuse for no PowerPC support and only makes the INTEL people ranting over all these new features look like babbling fools since half of you won't even be able to use them!
Too funny!

And finally, I have yet to see any real numbers on actual PowerPC computers currently in use, but I'd suspect it could be as high as 33%. If someone has some real #s (other than that dude who keeps posting ADIUM usage, a useless method), I'd be happy to see them.

 

[oban14]

Some of what I said are my opinions, but I'll repeat the absolute facts for the hearing impaired.

#1) The last G5 was still sold less than 3 years ago. Go to EveryMac.com if you don't believe me.
You're just plain wrong. It's not been 4 years or anywhere near 4 years.

#2) It's been widely reported that some of Snow Leopard's features are not supported on many INTEL machines and technically CANNOT BE anymore than they could be supported on PowerPC!
I didn't say Snow Leopard wouldn't work at all on certain INTEL machines.
I simply pointed this out because people keep claiming that the reason a PowerPC version isn't possible is because of all these new features. Well, guess what?

Some of those features won't even be working on MANY INTEL Macs with INTEL graphics!

So, it's a lame excuse for no PowerPC support and only makes the INTEL people ranting over all these new features look like babbling fools since half of you won't even be able to use them!
Too funny!

And finally, I have yet to see any real numbers on actual PowerPC computers currently in use, but I'd suspect it could be as high as 33%. If someone has some real #s (other than that dude who keeps posting ADIUM usage, a useless method), I'd be happy to see them.

You're still missing the point. It was time to drop PowerPC support.

Sorry.

 

[azentropy]

#1) The last G5 was still sold less than 3 years ago. Go to EveryMac.com if you don't believe me.
You're just plain wrong. It's not been 4 years or anywhere near 4 years.

Sold? Yes. However, the last G4/G5 systems were introduced in Mid-October 2005, so it will just about be 4 years that any "new" PPC products were announced or released.

 

[John.B]

Did you submit feedback asking them to do this?

http://www.apple.com/feedback/imovie.html

No, because it won't make a difference.

I believe it was Henry Ford who said, "Whether you think you can or can't, you're right."

 

[raccoontail]

That assumption is flawed. My mini is the the stereo cabinet, and runs Tiger. It also runs iTunes and eyeTV. It does not run any part of iLife. So my interest in paying extra to put iLife on it is zero.

Agreed. I saw no upgrade value in Leopard so I still have Tiger. Wouldn't mind Snow Leopard because it sounds like there will be some welcome stability and speed improvements, Exchange compatibility will be nice, and many software vendors have been dropping Tiger support over the past year. I've seen nothing compelling in the new iLife's, particularly since the '10 versions must be right around the corner. I use Photoshop & Photo Mechanic instead of iPhoto, and iMovie HD is still better than any of the new ones. I bought the first release of iWork once, but other than Keynote, didn't see enough improvement over the MS Office suite to justify relearning the software. Numbers seemed particularly underpowered compared to Excel.

 

[heisetax]

Verizon Wireless has more customers than AT&T Wireless!!!

There are more people using NES than iPhones and PowerPC Macs combined, but you don't see NES people complaining that new games don't support their system.

What does NES have to do with the Mac OS??? My title means as much to the subject being discussed.

 

[heisetax]

PPC & Intel Macs

Oh please, I know tons of people who have an NES, and yes, many more than people who own PowerPC Macs or iPhones, but I can't think of a single one that still uses the damn things anymore. I still have my old Atari laying around here somewhere too, but that doesn't mean I ever use it! LOL

Seriously, if there were so many people still using their NES, companies would be clamoring to bring out new games for the systems still!

You've got PowerPC Macs purchased less than 3 years ago and people who purchased Leopard for $129 before Snow Leopard was announced who are now left out in the cold and will not get the Snow Leopard bug fixes.

I never said Leopard was a disaster, but its definitely not as stable as the last Tiger version still. So yes, I think PowerPC Leopard users have a valid right to complain.

Obviously, Intel people are annoyed by these complaints, but deal with it.

It's people like me that kept Apple in business buying both PowerPC and Intel Macs, and even Macs before PowerPC.

If Snow Leopard were not really just a version of Leopard and mainly bug fixes and optimizations, PowerPC users would not feel like they were left out in the cold.
After all, we did pay the same $129!

Like you I have both PPC & Intel Macs. Knowing the way Steve Jobs is about canceling old technology when they start using new, I'm surprised that Mac OS 10.5 included PPC support. Because OS 10.6 will not support the PPC & if OS 10.5 proves to stay not as stable as OS 10.4.11 is then the PPC Mac Users have good reason to complain about the lack of continued support.

I will continue to use both my PPC Macs & Intel Macs as they both serve useful purposes in my business. Actually the main reason I like my Intel Mac better with my Income Tax Prep & Accounting business is because the Intel Mac does a better job of running Windows, not because the Intel Mac will run SL. But in the future I will be buying Macs & not Windows machines as I have for the past 25+ years. I actually went straight from a Heath-Kit H-89 to the Mac 128, no MS-DOS machine.

 

[heisetax]

Paid For

Wow.. I have a G5 tower too, but.. I'm finally selling it. Lovely old machine. It's odd when people complain that their g5s are still really capable. Yes, they are, but the modern Macs do seem to run rings around them.. Why does anyone want to be running such slow hardware now anyway? (I've not had any problems on My G5 running leopard though)

SL seems nothing like a bug fix release either, massive under the hood changes aren't bug-fixes. Most Windows releases could be considered a simple "bug-fix" release if you're going on the same criteria. You shouldn't buy software based on how it will be supported in the future, you buy the software because of your needs/wants at the time.

It's just like Left 4 Dead 2 and everyone complaining about the sequel coming too soon. Progress is good. I absolutely do not want Apple wasting time and resources on something they're not going to be using at all in the future.

Just remember that G5 is probably paid for whereas a new Intel Mac Pro would cost thousands. Everyone does not have or want to spend the funds to have a new Mac.

For $29 I'll do an upgrade to SL. I may not run the program on a daily basis as I like to keep my OSes on all of my Macs the same. With PPC Macs outnumbering the Intel Macs the only answer is 10.5.7+. I have been using 10.5 since about Aug of 2008. My Intel Mac Pro have video card problems that took Apple at least 9 months before they would admit to the problem & what the fix was. Actually I have several friends that still use OS 10.4.11. Some of those are on Mac towers.

 

[heisetax]

It was 2006 and early 2006. We're almost to 2010. So you're wrong.



Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperZboy
I'll correct a bunch of people in this post (I don't have time to quote you all, you'll all know who you are, hehe)...

#1) Apple stopped selling PowerPC Macs roughly 3 YEARS AGO, so that guy was wrong.
It was 2006 and early 2006. We're almost to 2010. So you're wrong.




I got one of the early Intel Mac Pros. They started shipping in Aug. I received mine on Sep 12th 2006 because I wanted an ATI video card in it. Unless Apple stopped selling PowerMac G5 towers 8 months before the Intel Mac Pro shipped, the 3 year time may not even have come yet. Just because some Intel Macs were shipping does not mean that Apple stopped shipping PPC PowerMacs at that same them. Check your facts before you call someone else wrong. At this point you seem to be wrong or off topic yourself.

 

[heisetax]

Is Numbers even Powered?

Agreed. I saw no upgrade value in Leopard so I still have Tiger. Wouldn't mind Snow Leopard because it sounds like there will be some welcome stability and speed improvements, Exchange compatibility will be nice, and many software vendors have been dropping Tiger support over the past year. I've seen nothing compelling in the new iLife's, particularly since the '10 versions must be right around the corner. I use Photoshop & Photo Mechanic instead of iPhoto, and iMovie HD is still better than any of the new ones. I bought the first release of iWork once, but other than Keynote, didn't see enough improvement over the MS Office suite to justify relearning the software. Numbers seemed particularly underpowered compared to Excel.

Actually compared to Excel Numbers is not even a spreadsheet program. At the rate Apple is going it will take a couple more updates before it can be called a spreadsheet. Whether you like MS or not, there never has been a spreadsheet that can come close to MS Excel. By using the Mac version we are loosing many useful features that is in the Windows version.

Having to purchase the Boxed Set with iLife'09 &iWork'09 makes the boxed set a very poor purchase at the present time. Even though I have OS 10.5 & have made my preorder for SL, I will probably purchase the boxed set when it includes the '10 version of Apple's software suites. Maybe they will all make it up to the KeyNote level.-

 

[Povilas]

I have been using 10.5 since about Aug of 2008. My Intel Mac Pro have video card problems that took Apple at least 9 months before they would admit to the problem & what the fix was. Actually I have several friends that still use OS 10.4.11. Some of those are on Mac towers.

I do not have Mac Pro or Power Mac, but on my Macs I Have Leopard runs from the day it was released and I have 0 problems. Leopard was slow at first, but after 10.5.2 it's rock solid for me and I still have to see kernel panic with my own eyes My only complain is that some 3rd party hardware I use has very low quality drivers and I'm refering to Option products. I have 3G USB modem and if it's plugged in there is 99% chance that system will freeze if I try to restart or shutdown. If modem is unplugged every restart or shutdown is smooth and quick. I had FTDI based EDGE modem and drivers were great.

 

[anschnaller]

ok since i have never had to upgrade i just buy a new computer. will the upgrade make me have to reinstall all my stuff.

 

[boer]

No, because it won't make a difference.

Neither does whining here about it.

 

[Povilas]

Actually compared to Excel Numbers is not even a spreadsheet program. At the rate Apple is going it will take a couple more updates before it can be called a spreadsheet. Whether you like MS or not, there never has been a spreadsheet that can come close to MS Excel. By using the Mac version we are loosing many useful features that is in the Windows version.

Numbers is a spreadsheet program, just not as advanced It was introduced only in the '09 iWork. You need to thank MSFT for that.

 

[heisetax]

Mac Pro Users

The Mac Pro the last Mac to go Intel and was introduced on the 7th August 2006. How is that not roughly 3 years ago?

Because Mac Pro Users are not real Mac Users or Mac computers by some here. The Intel Mac Pro was listed for sale then, but when did the first ones ship? Mine came on Sep 12 of 2006 & it seemed like most were still waiting then. But then the Intel Mac Pro is not a Mac by some others.

 

[heisetax]

But we count Mac Years here

It's 21 in Dog Years!

That means that with the longer life span of the Mac it is actually 6 months to a year at most in Mac Years. What does dog years have to do with this?

 

[sal]

I don't think I'll be pre-ordering. I am going to wait for some reviews from fellow editors and see if they run across any problems with final cut studio 2.

This is very weird considering i pre-ordered windows 7

 

[heisetax]

More PPC 10.5 support

I know I will be labeled a "whiner" in the Mac community, but there is still something wrong with Leopard. My new Mini Freezes occasionally when I walk away from it for an hour or so. I have to hit the power button and reboot it since neither the KB or mouse responds - and sometimes when it comes up it tells me it can't find the USB mouse and spouts some nonsense about hooking up a bluetooth mouse....

None of my other Macs do anything remotely like this (even my original Intel Mini never did).... I'm guessing it is a Driver issue with the Nvidia chipset. I was hoping it would fix when I went to 10.5.6 and then 10.5.7 but it acts the same....

I think Apple really needs to address issues such as this before moving on to SL. I know expecting a computer to operate properly is considered "whining" and "crying" around here, but there is definitely a problem....

Since Apple has stopped support of the PPC in SL they need to continue PPC bug fixes until they get Mac OS 10.5 correct for at least one platform. The PPC will work for many more years. Since many people have spent $129 for an OS that they have every right to expect the OS to work. This discussion is as much about the lack of support for the PPC on 10.5 as it is the lack of continued support of SL for all PPC Macs & many of the Intel Macs.

Actually the most compelling reason I have for running OS 10.5 is that my Intel Mac Pro stopped running EyeTV under 10.4 but will work under most of my copies of 10.5. Not a very good reason to run a new OS version. So for me it's not so much that I have to run the new OS, but the ability to run it. For others there is a need to run the new.

 

[BrokenChairs]

So for me it's not so much that I have to run the new OS, but the ability to run it. For others there is a need to run the new.

Agreed. All the stuff I have read on SL hasn't really convinced me of the upgrade. It will happen but it won't be this year. Things are working well on my iMac and I can't complain. Plus I never buy new OS when they are released.

 

[AlexisV]

Agreed. All the stuff I have read on SL hasn't really convinced me of the upgrade. It will happen but it won't be this year. Things are working well on my iMac and I can't complain. Plus I never buy new OS when they are released.

That's a bit dull. I've always upgraded the day they were released - never have any problems.

Never understood the mentality of waiting. By the time you've bitten the bullet, there's another one on the horizon and you're always one step behind.

It's not Windows - get stuck in!

 

[Erwin-Br]

That's a bit dull. I've always upgraded the day they were released - never have any problems.

Never understood the mentality of waiting. By the time you've bitten the bullet, there's another one on the horizon and you're always one step behind.

It's not Windows - get stuck in!

What's so bad about being one step behind?

Plus OS X is no different from Windows in this matter: I recall countless threads on these forums about issues with Leopard after it was just released.

On the other hand, I do feel tempted to get is as soon as possible as well. Just because I'm curious.