One would hope the upgrade would check to see if you have a Time Machine drive or on the network as well.
Are there any changes in the Time Machine structure that would prevent a 10.6 backup from being used under 10.5?
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Are there any changes in the Time Machine structure that would prevent a 10.6 backup from being used under 10.5?
You don't want to see "You cannot install OS X on this computer", before you can restore off of Time Machine.
Guess what - the stopped selling PowerPCs almost four years ago. It's time to upgrade.
What is your evidence? I have an 8 core Mac Pro from January of 2008. 8800 GT, though I'm thinking of upgrading the video card. What features will I be missing out on? Or are you just making this all up?
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Any time you're using old hardware to run modern software, there is the chance that you'll get abandoned. I just bought Logic 9, and yes it's possible that when Logic 10 comes out my Mac won't be supported. If it is, I won't be shocked if Logic 11 abandons support of my Mac.
You're missing my main point: A lot of the bugs and performance issues with Leopard are probably due to supporting PowerPCs. Scrapping them are what will enable these bug fixes and performance improvements TO WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE. If there are chronic issues with your Leopard install, bitch to Apple and I'm sure they'll fix it in 10.5.9.
I think we'll see this before labor day-or right after
beating MS to the punch=and their insane upgrade paths and costs
thank god they are slowly becoming irrelevant in the world of TODAY
I wonder if there is a way to get a full install disc instead of an upgrade fro $29?
that Id rather do-even though I have 10.5.6
Maybe send Apple your Leopard install disc in exchange?
Maybe there will be a trick like with XP Pro
You install the upgrade disc of Pro and it interrupts installing after a bit and asks to see an XP Home disc. You insert-and it lets you go to the next step, you pull our HOME, re-insert PRo and the rest of a full install of PRO happens
A fully integrated install is what im getting at
beating MS to the punch=and their insane upgrade paths and costs
thank god they are slowly becoming irrelevant in the world of TODAY
I wonder if there is a way to get a full install disc instead of an upgrade fro $29?
that Id rather do-even though I have 10.5.6
Maybe send Apple your Leopard install disc in exchange?
Maybe there will be a trick like with XP Pro
You install the upgrade disc of Pro and it interrupts installing after a bit and asks to see an XP Home disc. You insert-and it lets you go to the next step, you pull our HOME, re-insert PRo and the rest of a full install of PRO happens
A fully integrated install is what im getting at
Holy crap people get over it. Upgrade if you are dying to get SL that bad... seriously. If you aren't willing to upgrade than don't complain. It's not like Leopard is a bad OS once SL is released.
And as for a lawsuit? hahahahaha thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. Maybe MS will get one against them for naming their OS Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7.... they all sound so similar
as a general message to all PPC users.... you are seriously missing out. My old iMac G5 is soooo much slower than my new iMac...
The only people that have a valid argument are the ones who spent 3500$ on a MacPro or Apple Tower...
other than that don't be jealous just bc you can't upgrade.
Wow.. I have a G5 tower too, but.. I'm finally selling it. Lovely old machine. It's odd when people complain that their g5s are still really capable. Yes, they are, but the modern Macs do seem to run rings around them.. Why does anyone want to be running such slow hardware now anyway? (I've not had any problems on My G5 running leopard though)
SL seems nothing like a bug fix release either, massive under the hood changes aren't bug-fixes. Most Windows releases could be considered a simple "bug-fix" release if you're going on the same criteria. You shouldn't buy software based on how it will be supported in the future, you buy the software because of your needs/wants at the time.
It's just like Left 4 Dead 2 and everyone complaining about the sequel coming too soon. Progress is good. I absolutely do not want Apple wasting time and resources on something they're not going to be using at all in the future.
SL seems nothing like a bug fix release either, massive under the hood changes aren't bug-fixes. Most Windows releases could be considered a simple "bug-fix" release if you're going on the same criteria. You shouldn't buy software based on how it will be supported in the future, you buy the software because of your needs/wants at the time.
It's just like Left 4 Dead 2 and everyone complaining about the sequel coming too soon. Progress is good. I absolutely do not want Apple wasting time and resources on something they're not going to be using at all in the future.
Full Install 10.6
Hi,
I have been reading this thread since the start hoping to hear an answer on the requirement to have 10.5 installed prior to upgrading to 10.6.
I have 10.6 on my 8 core 3Ghz Mac Pro. It already had 10.5 on it.
However, i just remembered that i installed 10.6 onto a blank hard drive that i put into a 2.4Ghz MacBook Pro that i fixed up a couple of weeks ago. I restored the 10.6 installer to a partition on an external drive and used that to install 10.6 onto the laptop.
So, while no-one can vouch for the actual 10.6 release, i can guarantee that the developer build of 10.6 will install onto suitable hardware without 10.5 already being installed.
Hi,
I have been reading this thread since the start hoping to hear an answer on the requirement to have 10.5 installed prior to upgrading to 10.6.
I have 10.6 on my 8 core 3Ghz Mac Pro. It already had 10.5 on it.
However, i just remembered that i installed 10.6 onto a blank hard drive that i put into a 2.4Ghz MacBook Pro that i fixed up a couple of weeks ago. I restored the 10.6 installer to a partition on an external drive and used that to install 10.6 onto the laptop.
So, while no-one can vouch for the actual 10.6 release, i can guarantee that the developer build of 10.6 will install onto suitable hardware without 10.5 already being installed.
Thanks. I thought I was the only one who was thinking this.
Um, this:
If you're going to roll eyes at me in your first reply, without adding any useful info, you're gonna come off as smug.Sorry about that, you're right, I didn't mean to come across as smug at all mate.
Buying from Amazon
I looked over the Amazon page and checked out all the linked pages, and nowhere could I find a statement that if I placed my pre-order now my credit card wouldn't be charged until the product ships. So I assume it would be charged immediately. Am I right?
I looked over the Amazon page and checked out all the linked pages, and nowhere could I find a statement that if I placed my pre-order now my credit card wouldn't be charged until the product ships. So I assume it would be charged immediately. Am I right?
Paid $129 multiple times and looking to upgrade to get the Leopard BUG FIXES in "Snow Leopard"?
Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard.
If your PowerPC-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, GO F YOURSELF!
Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.
If your PowerPC-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, GO F YOURSELF!
Oh, but don't worry, Apple will continue to help make Windows 7 work perfectly on Intel Macs.
Can you say IRONY?
Bend over PowerPC users, Apple just stuck you for a dead-end $129 Leopard and you bought it.
And a Leopard that's STILL VERY BUGGY...
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I hate to keep posting my Disk Utility report, but the permissions are never fixed & it does in fact affect the stability of the machine often despite what some others here have stated.
On PowerPC Macs, Tiger is still more stable than Leopard & will run for a longer period without a reboot.
I suspect there will be a class action lawsuit against Apple when Snow Leopard is released since it is basically BUG FIXES & optimizations,
many of which the PowerPC users who spent $129 on Leopard could use.
We shall see.
I can't wait for my $9 settlement coupon.
Sorry you are in such a bad spot. My iMac 7,1 will not be able to run the 64 bit kernel, which is a bit different from your issue; but I guess Leopard runs better on Intel then PPC because I do not have those issues that you have.
Trust me even though the pain is different I do feel your pain nonetheless.
Are you willing to put money up to support that guarantee? Because I think you just may be wrong.
No
Apple never includes its latest iLife suite with a new OS... I think only the Mac box does
I am not entering into an argument.
If i get the chance tomorrow, i will confirm what i am 99.9% sure of, by using the same laptop to boot from the 10.6 installer partition and then attempting to install 10.6 onto a blank drive.
I will try to provide evidence as well.
Just as a thought.... it is surely possible to open a file from the installer disc that shows what system checks are done prior to an installation being permitted?
I'll correct a bunch of people in this post (I don't have time to quote you all, you'll all know who you are, hehe)...
#1) Apple stopped selling PowerPC Macs roughly 3 YEARS AGO, so that guy was wrong.
#2) At least 2 of my PowerPC G5s are significantly faster than and more capable machines than many of the low end early INTEL Macs and Macbooks and even the IMacG5s, if I'm not mistaken are probably as fast as the first Macbooks! So the people who keep telling me to get rid of my clunkers are also wrong.
#3) Yes many INTEL Macs are not fully supported in all features with Snow Leopard, but yours probably will be. There are tons of INTEL people who will not be fully supported in Snow Leopard, especially those with INTEL graphics and possibly even ATI graphics. Read the other threads about SL. I'm not searching for them for lazy uniformed people, but it's true and has been stated by people running the betas even. So that person is incorrect also.
#4) My disk permissions repair post that annoys so many people is repeatable on multiple PowerPC machines, both G4s and G5s.
It's not like I have one bad Mac or one bad installation. Apple needs to fix this.
#5) While there's been no confirmation from Apple, there's been lots of speculation that 10.5.8 will be the last Leopard update before SL. I think that would be a HUGE mistake for Apple and that's another reason I'm complaining and warning people.
#6) Many of these same bug fixes "under the hood" could be supported on PowerPC Macs for people who bought Leopard for $129 a little more than a year ago, but won't be getting them. I think many PowerPC users will be very mad about this, but probably don't yet realize this and I want them to know the truth, not the Fanboy line on this site. If it were a totally new from the ground up operating system, it wouldn't be called Snow LEOPARD #1, & #2, it wouldn't be $29!
That's another person corrected.
#7) This marks the first time in Apple's history that it has so quickly abandoned life long customers to force them to buy new computers. In a troubled economy, I think it's a terribly bad decision that will come back to haunt them. Do I want to buy a Windows 7 laptop? Absolutely not. Do I have a bad taste in my mouth after buying Leopard for multiple Macs for $129 and it's still not fixed and won't get these Snow Leopard bug fixes?
YOU BET I DO! And I'm going to keep explaining my gripe even though it bothers the 66%-75% INTEL Mac people who post here.
By the way, I have an INTEL Mac too, I have many Macs, and yes I intend to buy Snow Leopard. Many businesses have mixed PPC/INTEL environments. This is just a bad decision by Apple, a filthy cash rich company, that can afford to not have to do this to longtime PowerPC Mac users who stuck with Apple through the bad times and paid $3500 for PowerMac G5s and $129 for Leopard!
#1) Apple stopped selling PowerPC Macs roughly 3 YEARS AGO, so that guy was wrong.
#2) At least 2 of my PowerPC G5s are significantly faster than and more capable machines than many of the low end early INTEL Macs and Macbooks and even the IMacG5s, if I'm not mistaken are probably as fast as the first Macbooks! So the people who keep telling me to get rid of my clunkers are also wrong.
#3) Yes many INTEL Macs are not fully supported in all features with Snow Leopard, but yours probably will be. There are tons of INTEL people who will not be fully supported in Snow Leopard, especially those with INTEL graphics and possibly even ATI graphics. Read the other threads about SL. I'm not searching for them for lazy uniformed people, but it's true and has been stated by people running the betas even. So that person is incorrect also.
#4) My disk permissions repair post that annoys so many people is repeatable on multiple PowerPC machines, both G4s and G5s.
It's not like I have one bad Mac or one bad installation. Apple needs to fix this.
#5) While there's been no confirmation from Apple, there's been lots of speculation that 10.5.8 will be the last Leopard update before SL. I think that would be a HUGE mistake for Apple and that's another reason I'm complaining and warning people.
#6) Many of these same bug fixes "under the hood" could be supported on PowerPC Macs for people who bought Leopard for $129 a little more than a year ago, but won't be getting them. I think many PowerPC users will be very mad about this, but probably don't yet realize this and I want them to know the truth, not the Fanboy line on this site. If it were a totally new from the ground up operating system, it wouldn't be called Snow LEOPARD #1, & #2, it wouldn't be $29!
That's another person corrected.
#7) This marks the first time in Apple's history that it has so quickly abandoned life long customers to force them to buy new computers. In a troubled economy, I think it's a terribly bad decision that will come back to haunt them. Do I want to buy a Windows 7 laptop? Absolutely not. Do I have a bad taste in my mouth after buying Leopard for multiple Macs for $129 and it's still not fixed and won't get these Snow Leopard bug fixes?
YOU BET I DO! And I'm going to keep explaining my gripe even though it bothers the 66%-75% INTEL Mac people who post here.
By the way, I have an INTEL Mac too, I have many Macs, and yes I intend to buy Snow Leopard. Many businesses have mixed PPC/INTEL environments. This is just a bad decision by Apple, a filthy cash rich company, that can afford to not have to do this to longtime PowerPC Mac users who stuck with Apple through the bad times and paid $3500 for PowerMac G5s and $129 for Leopard!
I empathise with what you're saying. What gets me is that I understand they're dropping PowerPC support because there is no longer a business case to justify tying up resources for a dead end product line. I can understand OpenCL not being on all GPU's having understood the nature of what Microsoft is doing with GPU vendors where there is an attempt to get the GPU to support multiple operations pre-emptively (which will be in the soon to be released WDDM which I'll dub 2.0).
What I don't accept is Apple is around a month from winding down development of Snow Leopard and it still lacks GMA 950 and X3100 64bit drivers; I might understand about GMA 950 but they only stopped selling X3100 based white MacBook's just over 6 months ago - are they expecting their customers to update their 6 month old laptop just so they can get 64bit goodness (and yes, there is a speed difference btw; there is more to 64bit than memory addressing).
The dev release installs on blank drives without the need to have a prior 10.5 installation. This is fact.
I usually don't like to post here but reading this thread really made me wonder how many people really understand what is going on?
It also seemed that a lot of posters here became Mac users only after the Intel switch.
Snow Leopard is a bug fix release? You can never be more wrong. It's a much bigger jump than say, from 10.3 to 10.4. Way way bigger.
For those PPC users who tried to suggest that Apple con you into buying Leopard than release Snow Leopard a short period after, think again. Leopard and Snow Leopard each took 2 years for release. Way longer than the previous updates.
PPC people need to understand this: OS X PPC is NOT OS X Intel, unfortunately. That's why performance/stability is different between PPC and Intel Macs.
I have been a Mac user since 10.2, but I'll say this nevertheless. OS X PPC is lagging the whole OS release process. It's been a nice nine years, but it's time to leave the PPC Macs behind. Besides all of them will still function well on Tiger/Leopard for many years to come.
Sometimes I wonder, if Microsoft has to make Windows Vista for two different chip architectures, maybe Vista will only have been released in 2015.
I apologize if this has been asked in pages 4-11, but have the prerelease seeds for SL been upgrades to 10.5 or clean installs? Because that's probably the method Apple is going to use (I'd strongly prefer a clean install, but it doesn't look like that's where it's heading )
EDIT: oops, seems like ^^^^^^ just answered it while I was writing my question!
)EDIT: oops, seems like ^^^^^^ just answered it while I was writing my question!
Hi,
Thanks for backing me up on this. As i said, i was 99.9% sure that this was the case.
It was 2006 and early 2006. We're almost to 2010. So you're wrong.
Really? The fastest PowerPC Mac ever built is faster than the weakest Intel Mac ever built?
No one is arguing that point.I'm not lazy or uninformed. I've heard about some graphics cards which may not be supported, or haven't been included in the build yet. Personally, I think you're full of it. The requirements specifically state that the only requirements are an intel processor, 1 GB of ram, 5 GB of hard drive space and a DVD drive. I'll go with Apple's official website over your paranoid rantings.
I hope they do. I don't have those problems but am sorry you do.
I agree. But I wouldn't get worked up about it until Apple makes it official, in the meantime you should try to get other PPC users like yourself to email support and beg for further updates.
At some point, Apple needs to stop supporting old hardware, especially if it's dragging down performance, stability or innovation. Maybe some of those changes you want will be put into a special 10.5.9. Maybe not.
For the record, no one hates Apple fanboys more than me, so I feel your pain. Fanboys are the biggest negative of this company.
Did you ever stop to think that if the people who care are 75% Intel users... that maybe Apple has made the right decision? Or should they wait until it's 90%?
Thanks for the response. But isn't that only if I do an Archive and Install? if I perform an Erase and Install won't Ilife09 be removed?
- I agree, keep your G5s. They are faster than some of the earlier Intels in certain situations.
- I'm pretty sure my iBook G4 doesn't support Quartz Extreme, not a big deal for me.
- Unfortunately, this isn't new. I remember the last 10.4 update actually cause new problems, but I can't remember if it was eventually fixed later. If 10.5.8 doesn't fix your problems, send in bug reports.
-Neither was 10.4 from 10.3(a new from the ground up OS). Yet 10.4 cost $129 as well. But Leopard to Snow Leopard is a much greater leap forward than from 10.3 to 10.4
- Apple is not forcing you to buy new computers at all. I'm pretty sure you can run most new apps down the road for another few years.
I didn't do this post to argue or anything, but I thought I will offer what I think is correct.
This shall be my last post in this thread.
Don't forget about refurbished Power Mac G5s sold after the introduction of the Mac Pro.It was 2006 and early 2006. We're almost to 2010. So you're wrong.
All iBook G4s supported Quartz Extreme.
does anyone think we would get this quicker form Amazon, or if when Apple lets people pre-order?
Just wondering, but i might just drive the 2.5 hrs to an Apple Store to get it instead.
Just wondering, but i might just drive the 2.5 hrs to an Apple Store to get it instead.
I hate to derail threads....
but this is awesome and no word from MacRumors. The tablet has supposedly been handled.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/barrons-analyst-handled-apple-tablet-says-competitors-have-pa/#comments
but this is awesome and no word from MacRumors. The tablet has supposedly been handled.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/barrons-analyst-handled-apple-tablet-says-competitors-have-pa/#comments