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Now they're doing this ass-hattery forcing customers to have Leopard preinstalled which results in a stupid reinstallation fiasco everytime a customer wishes to restore their system.

How is that a fiasco?

If that's the case then the Snow Leopard disk will only include the new files and will thus be small and quick.

So you'd spend, say, 30 minutes installing Leopard and then 10 minutes upgrading it to Snow Leopard.

Oh no :rolleyes: When I instal Final Cut Studio it's something like 6 or 7 disks I think. But having to use 2 here is a "fiasco?"
 
non techie person here sorry, couple of questions. I have a macbook and imac so i guess the family upgrade option is the best option for me? Also how or do i need to back up my music, movies, photos , itunes/iphone stuff etc etc i.e. user files ? Whats the easiest way to do this ? I haven't got an external drive yet (whats the best option?)

Sorry for the basic questions..
 
I've been tryng to pre-order via the Hardware Up-To-Date program (I bought a 13" mbp) but no luck. It points be to a page that tells me I have nothing in my cart.

That happened to me as well... I tried ordering it from my Mac Pro, and it wouldn't go through until I used the 13" MBP to place the order (which was the eligible machine), even though I was using the same Apple ID.
 
I found this part of the page to be a bit disturbing ...

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That is funny! :D


YAYYY! Snow Leopard will kick Windows 7's BUTT!!:D

Look at the picture above....

By the way, even considering that operating systems don't have butts, what do you mean?

Vista has far outsold Leopard, and Windows 7 will as well.
 
non techie person here sorry, couple of questions. I have a macbook and imac so i guess the family upgrade option is the best option for me? Also how or do i need to back up my music, movies, photos , itunes/iphone stuff etc etc i.e. user files ? Whats the easiest way to do this ? I haven't got an external drive yet (whats the best option?)

Sorry for the basic questions..

Family pack may be your best bet, yes.

You don't need to back up in order top upgrade your OS--but it's VERY important to back up your data regardless (and an OS update is a slightly riskier moment, it's true).

An external hard drive (or Time Capsule for wireless backups) is what you need. I'd suggest getting a drive at least twice as big as the total of your two machines' HDs. Drives are cheap these days.

Then, just plug in the drive, and let Leopard's "Time Machine" software take over backups automatically.
 
It keeps going from bad to worse; first Apple can't be bothered getting their act together to deliver 64bit X3100 drivers so that Snow Leopard runs in 64bit mode - something like that shouldn't be left till the last minute; it should have already been done by now.

Now they're doing this ass-hattery forcing customers to have Leopard preinstalled which results in a stupid reinstallation fiasco everytime a customer wishes to restore their system.

I swear, for all the bright people who apparently work at Apple, alot of them seem to be devoid of common sense.
I cancelled my 7 upgrade pre-order because of the activation and installation nonsense just to install it. I'll just get an OEM disc in a combo off of NewEgg for that. Windows is in a combo with nearly every piece of hardware for a discount.

YAYYY! Snow Leopard will kick Windows 7's BUTT!!:D
I'd wait until the pre-order servers go down first.

So many people get this wrong every time a new version of Mac OS X comes out. The upgrade DVD will allow you to do a full erase, format and install. You do not need to first do a clean install of Leopard then install Snow Leopard.

Once SL sees the install of Leopard then you go into Disk Utility and you can fully erase the HDD and begin a clean install of Snow Leopard. The only difference between the upgrade DVD and the full version is if you install a new drive on your Mac you will have to install Leopard first then Snow Leopard.
An unnecessary annoyance unless everyone has a Leopard image ready just to upgrade to Snow Leopard. Try explaining this to the masses.
 
I have a macbook and imac so i guess the family upgrade option is the best option for me?

Yes

Also how or do i need to back up my music, movies, photos etc etc i.e. user files? Whats the easiest way to do this?

The best option for a 'non-techie' person like you is just the normal upgrade option. It will leave your files in place and you don't have to do anything.

That being said, you should backup everything just in case something goes wrong. (Always a good policy.) Buy a firewire or USB drive equal or greater to the size of the computer hard drive for each computer. Set it up as a Time Machine disk and let it back up EVERYTHING.

This is good for normal day-to-day backups, but it's also good in case your upgrade screws up royally. In that case, wipe the drive using the OS X disk, then do a clean instal from scratch. At some point it will ask if you want to restore from a Time Machine backup, and say 'yes.'

But that's just in case something goes wrong. Chances are a normal upgrade will work just fine and you won't have to worry about your files at all.
 
That is funny! :D




Look at the picture above....

By the way, even considering that operating systems don't have butts, what do you mean?

Vista has far outsold Leopard, and Windows 7 will as well.

In sheer numbers yes, but isn't the upgrade percentage of Leopard much higher than Vista?
 
I did with Leopard. I can't completely remember, but I'm fairly sure it had to have Tiger installed. It wasn't a retail disc. No box or anything, just a DVD in a jiffypak.

Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be ordering the Retail version to upgrade my other Mac. Like I'm supposed to :cool:
 
So many people get this wrong every time a new version of Mac OS X comes out. The upgrade DVD will allow you to do a full erase, format and install. You do not need to first do a clean install of Leopard then install Snow Leopard.

Once SL sees the install of Leopard then you go into Disk Utility and you can fully erase the HDD and begin a clean install of Snow Leopard. The only difference between the upgrade DVD and the full version is if you install a new drive on your Mac you will have to install Leopard first then Snow Leopard.

This is REALLY great to know! I did NOT know this. I was certainly very happy with the $29 cost of the upgrade disc, to be sure, but was planning on buying one boxed set of the full retail SL + iLife, and one upgrade disc, because I wanted to be able to do a clean install if I wanted / need to.

Now that I see this, I'll just be buying two $29 upgrade discs.

You are sure it works like this, right?

Very good news.

As for Windows vs. Apple and their upgrade / OS policies, it seems pretty freaking clear to me that Apple wins hands down! Just the fact that every Apple comes with an install DVD that is NOT hardware locked to the exact computer you initially bought, and which doesn't have to phone home to be activated, is one huge difference in my book. Not to mention how great a price of $29 is. Heck, even the $169 SL + iLife is a great price relative to buying Windows software. Maybe Windows 7 is going to be different, but in the past, this was not the case. Apple has a very enlightened and welcome policy in regards to these things.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Didn't ignore, just missed it. Thanks for pointing it out in such a non-smug way. :rolleyes:

Sorry about that, you're right, I didn't mean to come across as smug at all mate. :) It's just that people skim through posts so much or they don't pay attention to what others write that generally address their concerns, then they just post the complaints. My apologies, this is an exciting time, we shouldn't be offending each other. ;)
 
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By the way, even considering that operating systems don't have butts, what do you mean?

Vista has far outsold Leopard, and Windows 7 will as well.

He may be referring to quality, features, flexibility (including, for instance dual-booting Windows!), security, polish, ease of use and price :p

Windows 7 is certainly "better then Vista" though, and as you say, Microsoft still dominates sales (to a decreasing extent) if that's what matters when choosing an OS :)
 
The link for the up to date porgram for those who bought a qualifying mac after June 8 through the online store is broken. The link for those who bought from an apple store works.
 
As for Windows vs. Apple and their upgrade / OS policies, it seems pretty freaking clear to me that Apple wins hands down! Just the fact that every Apple comes with an install DVD that is NOT hardware locked to the exact computer you initially bought, and which doesn't have to phone home to be activated, is one huge difference in my book. Not to mention how great a price of $29 is. Heck, even the $169 SL + iLife is a great price relative to buying Windows software. Maybe Windows 7 is going to be different, but in the past, this was not the case. Apple has a very enlightened and welcome policy in regards to these things.

Just my 2 cents.
The gray installer discs are locked to their specific hardware model identifiers.

OEM vs. upgrade vs. retail time now? Licenses abound!
 
AFAIK, there was no Leopard upgrade. Are you talking about the gray discs?

It was a disk that was slipped into the boxes of computers that still had Tiger on them directly after Leopard was released. Before it came preinstalled, if you bought your computer it came with an upgrade Leopard disk in the box.
 
For all the Macs that shipped with 10.5, the 10.6 installer should just query the model of the Mac it's being installed on. Since it shipped with 10.5, you should be able to do a clean install without 10.5 being present.

Of course, for all models prior to 10.5, 10.5 would have to be present for the install to continue.

Just an idea.
 
So many people get this wrong every time a new version of Mac OS X comes out. The upgrade DVD will allow you to do a full erase, format and install. You do not need to first do a clean install of Leopard then install Snow Leopard.

Once SL sees the install of Leopard then you go into Disk Utility and you can fully erase the HDD and begin a clean install of Snow Leopard. The only difference between the upgrade DVD and the full version is if you install a new drive on your Mac you will have to install Leopard first then Snow Leopard.
Doubt that will happen.

Apple has shown many times that it trusts its users. For example the Leopard single user and Leopard 5 user is the exact same disk. You can install Leopard single user on as many Macs as you like, but Apple trusts you to do the right thing. No serials, no activation, no genuine disadvantage.

If you have Tiger, you can be dishonest and get Snow Leopard for $29, or you can be honest and pay $169 for the box set. There wont be any disk checking.
 
Family pack may be your best bet, yes.

You don't need to back up in order top upgrade your OS--but it's VERY important to back up your data regardless (and an OS update is a slightly riskier moment, it's true).

An external hard drive (or Time Capsule for wireless backups) is what you need. I'd suggest getting a drive at least twice as big as the total of your two machines' HDs. Drives are cheap these days.

Then, just plug in the drive, and let Leopard's "Time Machine" software take over backups automatically.

Nice one thanks will look at time capsule or similar.
 
That is funny! :D




Look at the picture above....

By the way, even considering that operating systems don't have butts, what do you mean?

Vista has far outsold Leopard, and Windows 7 will as well.

I realize it's still early on Saturday morning, at least where I live, but I didn't mean SL would beat Windows 7 in sales, I meant it would kick butt being a better OS, which it will. As far as sales, don't kid yourself, not many will be actually "buying" Windows as opposed to buying a new computer with W7 on it. Remember Vista when it was released? The stores were NOT flooded with people in line buying Vista as expected.
 
Yes



The best option for a 'non-techie' person like you is just the normal upgrade option. It will leave your files in place and you don't have to do anything.

That being said, you should backup everything just in case something goes wrong. (Always a good policy.) Buy a firewire or USB drive equal or greater to the size of the computer hard drive for each computer. Set it up as a Time Machine disk and let it back up EVERYTHING.

This is good for normal day-to-day backups, but it's also good in case your upgrade screws up royally. In that case, wipe the drive using the OS X disk, then do a clean instal from scratch. At some point it will ask if you want to restore from a Time Machine backup, and say 'yes.'

But that's just in case something goes wrong. Chances are a normal upgrade will work just fine and you won't have to worry about your files at all.

Thanks mate :)
 
I realize it's still early on Saturday morning, at least where I live, but I didn't mean SL would beat Windows 7 in sales, I meant it would kick butt being a better OS, which it will.
Your mileage may vary.

As far as sales, don't kid yourself, not many will be actually "buying" Windows as opposed to buying a new computer with W7 on it.
You don't pay for an OEM license. Sign me up. :D

The stores were NOT flooded with people in line buying Vista as expected.
It's hard to ignore the 7 pre-order craze.
 
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