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Yea I saw your other post. I think it's beyond silly to lock Apple Music to that one speaker. That's not thinking different.

Bluetooth doesn't make sense at all for this use case. The speaker should be able to use its own interface to access Apple Music. That doesn't say anything about the success or failure of Siri.

This is like fans being upset when Apple opened up iPod.
When did Apple open up iPod? Porting iTunes to Windows was all about selling more iPods (and more music on iTunes). Apple knew most people weren’t going to buy a Mac just so they could use an iPod or buy music. I’m not arguing that Apple Music should be confined to HomePod. I’m arguing that Siri should be opened up instead of Apple promoting Alexa. Let Sonos natively use Apple Music...with Siri. Oh and make a cheaper HomePod (like they did with iPod nano). How does Siri get better if Apple says go ahead and use our services with other people’s voice assistants? Are they really not opening up Siri because that might mean Spotify would work with Siri? That’s ridiculous.
 
The headline should be changed too point out that Apple Music is coming to more Alexa devices IN THE US. Doesn't look like the rest of the world is getting it any time soon. Anyone got any idea why it is US only?
 
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Got an Amazon Echo 2nd Gen on Black Friday. It didn’t support Apple Music at the time, so I took advantage of the “90 days for free” Spotify deal.

Haven’t used Apple Music with the Echo ... yet. Trying out the Spotify integration right now. I’m satisfied with that so far, so if Apple Music integration is just as seemless (can’t see why it wouldn’t be,) I’ll probably stick with them for now, and not renew Spotify when it expires.

On a semi-related note: My household is at a crossroads right now. Transitioning away from Macs at the moment. Got rid of AirPort Extreme 3 years ago. Apple TV will likely stay, because it has much lower latency when streaming iTunes audio to it, rather than directly to my AirPlay-enabled receiver (I like to play to multiple devices simultaneously, and having different latency between devices causes extreme echo affect.)

Still have to decide if I should stick with iOS devices. Leaning towards keeping them right now, mainly due to the purchased apps I use. Once that hook is pulled out (ie: when the app dev no longer updates it to support the latest iOS release, and Apple drops an API or something that the app needs to work), I might move away ... not sure.

The sooner You move, the better. Apps are forced to Abos.
And apple mainly sells no innovative overpriced crap nowadays
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The headline should be changed too point out that Apple Music is coming to more Alexa devices IN THE US. Doesn't look like the rest of the world is getting it any time soon. Anyone got any idea why it is US only?

Because HomePod just starts selling here in Europe. They wanna milk the people first
 
This will hold me over for now, but I still hope for a ~$100 homepod junior. I don't need something with the quality of the homepod, but want the functionality of one with good quality sound.
 
Sounds like Apple’s admitting that their HomePod hasn’t been very successful.

I don't think this is related to HomePod at all. It's likely more related to their desire to increase revenues in the service side of things despite estimates that physical device volume is predicted to stagnate.

it's what apple HAS to do to keep revenue growth up given that most of the physical products they're currently selling are in mature markets where large growth is stopping.

this is a good move
 
I would love to see an Alexa enabled HomePod, that would be a hard to beat smart speaker on the market. Siri is just horrible in a lot of ways, I cant stand it and I just disabled Hery Siri on my iPhone. My HomePod stays in the bedroom just for my personal use that thing sounds really good, and my Echo Plus 2 (actually sounds pretty good too) stays in the livingroom for everything and controls a couple Hue color light bulbs and general inquiries for the whole family.
 
Because it’s not about Apple Music it’s about Siri. As far as I know Echo devices have Bluetooth so you should be able to use Apple Music with it now. Having it native means you’re using it with Alexa not Siri. How is that anything other than Apple admitting Siri is a failure? Apparently some Apple employees who work on HomePod and/or Siri aren’t happy about this decision and didn’t find out about it until it went public.

I use Siri with Car Play and my 2 Homepods (stereo) and love them—the sound, and they generally do enough for me including some Homekit things, calls, add to lists, weather, podcasts, etc. I just bought an Echo for our BR because of cost and because it can now stream Apple Music. It does 80-90% of what I can do with Apple Music with Homepod but the sound is just adequate—but adequate enough for some music while reading in bed (and Sleep timer) and alarm when needed. It did very easily and quickly open CNN on TuneIn though—which Homepod can’t. Horses for courses (& I did not allow the Echo to have access to contacts, phone number, etc because of the privacy I do have with my Homepods). I don’t consider having Apple Music on the Echoes as admitting Siri is a failure—but it does need expanded and improved.
 
Because Apple Music makes them money. The more devices that can access Apple Music the more money they can make. The same cannot be said for Siri. Amazon basically has this section of the market cornered. Almost everyone has an echo device these days. Apple needs to come out with a cheaper HomePod, but even if they did how many people would abandon their current echo devices in favor of a HomePod? Keep in mind many people receive echos for free with other purchases. My family just got 3 free echos when buying thermostats and Ring door bells. I say all of this as someone who owns 4 HomePods and really enjoy them.
Do we know how much Apple makes off Apple Music subscriptions? Is it a money making business?
 
Really? I have one and the sound and mics are so good I want to get a second. Also I rather Apple spy on my conversations versus other companies
Agree—the mics are exceptional and the sound with 2 Homepods is terrific—and I do have concerns about Echo ‘spying’ but it won’t get much in the BR while I read at night LOL.
 
Agree—the mics are exceptional and the sound with 2 Homepods is terrific—and I do have concerns about Echo ‘spying’ but it won’t get much in the BR while I read at night LOL.
Diane are 2 HomePods worth it if I was to listen at 50% volume max and I was chilling in different parts of the room and not directly in front of HomePods? HomePods would be at desk
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Agree—the mics are exceptional and the sound with 2 Homepods is terrific—and I do have concerns about Echo ‘spying’ but it won’t get much in the BR while I read at night LOL.
Also I hope they do listen in on my bedroom activities at night while I bring random women over. I can just see Tim Cook with headphones on, listening in to the crazy things I say during playtime.
 
I don't think this is related to HomePod at all. It's likely more related to their desire to increase revenues in the service side of things despite estimates that physical device volume is predicted to stagnate.

it's what apple HAS to do to keep revenue growth up given that most of the physical products they're currently selling are in mature markets where large growth is stopping.

this is a good move
Going by that logic then Apple should be bringing it to Google Home devices too. I am curious though how many people not already in Apple’s ecosystem (or not already Apple Music subscribers) are going to subscribe to Apple Music because it’s now available on non-Apple hardware. Is that a huge demographic? Also why does Apple want its customers using Alexa instead of Siri?
 



Amazon has confirmed that Apple Music will eventually be supported on additional Alexa-enabled speakers, according to a tweet from Mashable's Raymond Wong spotted by AppleInsider. Amazon didn't provide a timeframe for the rollout.

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A variety of third-party Alexa speakers and devices are available from brands such as Sonos, JBL, Ultimate Ears, and First Alert.


Apple Music went live on Amazon's line of Echo speakers last Friday in the United States. This allows users to link Apple Music with their Amazon account in the Alexa app for iOS and use Alexa voice commands to control playback of Apple Music songs and playlists and Beats 1 radio on Echo speakers.

To access this feature, simply use a voice command such as "Alexa, play music by Ed Sheeran on Apple Music" or "Alexa, play today's hits on Apple Music." Apple Music can also be set as the default music service in the Alexa app so that "Apple Music" does not need to be specified each time.

Apple and Amazon announced this new partnership in late November, with Amazon saying it is "committed to offering great music providers to our customers," and referring to Apple Music as "one of the most popular music services."

Article Link: Amazon Confirms More Alexa-Enabled Speakers Will Eventually Support Apple Music
[doublepost=1545244891][/doublepost]I have a Zolo Halo at work and echo dot at home. I can play my playlists to my Zolo at work today. I did leave my echo on when I left for work so my dogs would have some background noise. I wonder if that is how my playlists are working on my Halo.
 
Because it’s not about Apple Music it’s about Siri. As far as I know Echo devices have Bluetooth so you should be able to use Apple Music with it now. Having it native means you’re using it with Alexa not Siri. How is that anything other than Apple admitting Siri is a failure? Apparently some Apple employees who work on HomePod and/or Siri aren’t happy about this decision and didn’t find out about it until it went public.
Does Apple Music on Android use Siri?
 
Going by that logic then Apple should be bringing it to Google Home devices too. I am curious though how many people not already in Apple’s ecosystem (or not already Apple Music subscribers) are going to subscribe to Apple Music because it’s now available on non-Apple hardware. Is that a huge demographic? Also why does Apple want its customers using Alexa instead of Siri?

It would be a great move for Apple to open up more of their services cross platform. but there's the trade off apple would have to consider, that if certain services are usable on Android for example, why spend the money on an iPhone?

it's a bit of balancing act. you want enough of your services available to other users. it acts as a sales method for your own devices, but also lets you grow your service business outside of your own "walled garden". But at the same time, if you tear down too many of those walls, why bother buying an Apple device?

As their device sales slow (already happening), they will need to figure out which services work well being cross platform and which do not.

Moving Apple music to completely cross platform would be a great service to do so. if a user is on Android for example, having access to Apple music might sell them on Apple Music. But it's very unlikely someone on an Android device is going to switch to an iPhone exclusively to try out and use Apple music.
 
One quirk: before setting that up, I could say "Alexa, play WCBM", and it would play that talk radio station* via TuneIn (I think). After setting that up, it would play "W.C.I.B.M by Amber Ais, from Apple Music."

I could still say "Alexa, play radio station WCBM", and that worked as desired.

(I have set Apple Music as default music library, but Amazon Music as default station.)

For what it's worth, I kind of like the song it was finding by accident, although it's not something I would normally have picked to listen to.

*Siri is very weak playing real radio stations, aside from NPR and a few others; and an Echo Dot is tolerable for talk radio, even if not nearly as good as a HomePod for music, unless an external speaker is used.
 
For all of you saying this means the HomePod is dead, does that mean the iPhone is dead too since they allow Apple Music on Android phones?

I'm sure this is just Apple treating Apple Music more like an independent company. They want that division to maximize profits, and one way to do that is to get more subscribers. Adding the service to more devices gets them access to more subscribers. A person with and Android phone may have been on the fence about Apple Music because they couldn't use it other than on their phone unless they used bluetooth. Now they are going to be able to use their phone and Echo, and more in the future. This may get them over the fence and convince them to subscribe.

Or maybe a user has iPhones and iPads, but no HomePods just Echos, so they went with Spotify. Now they may drop Spotify and get Apple Music.
 
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