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I'm not worried about letting Amazon's delivery people into my house - they've proven themselves incapable of finding my door. Pretty much every package I've received with AMZN tracking ends up being left somewhere out in the grass, nowhere near the door or (often) even the house.

UPS and FedEx don't have this problem...
 
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I'm not worried about letting Amazon's delivery people into my house - they've proven themselves incapable of finding my door. Pretty much every package I've received with AMZN tracking ends up being left somewhere out in the grass, nowhere near the door or (often) even the house.

UPS and FedEx don't have this problem...
My AMZN delivery Keeps having trouble delivering my stuff. I can't believe the number of times that they said something was out for delivery to then say that there was a shipping problem.
 
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Wait a second. Why is the delivery guy wearing a mask?
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My AMZN delivery Keeps having trouble delivering my stuff. I can't believe the number of times that they said something was out for delivery to then say that there was a shipping problem.
You're supposed to leave a plate of cookies and a glass of milk every couple of orders. Just like you do with Santa Claus. It keeps your house fresh in their minds. Sometimes, I even get big packages that are meant for people who aren't even nearby. :D
 
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Apple didn’t leak anything.

Or get successfully hacked, at least in this instance. People sharing passwords on social media which by default is supposed to be read/shared easily is not the fault of the security used for that cloud system. Share a password on Facebook/Twitter/whatever and that password is no longer secure.
 
Few observations.
  1. As to be expected from Amazon, no HomeKit.
  2. Surprisingly, Cloud Cam cannot be used Amazon Echo, even though it has a microphone and speaker.
  3. Very limited selection of Amazon Key smart locks, Yale YRD226AZ, Kwikset SmartCode 914, and Kwikset Convert. All have to be "Amazon Key Edition" and you cannot bring your own smart lock.
  4. I like 2-pack ($200) and 3-pack ($290) prices.
  5. Non-free cloud packages are competitive, $70/year for 3 cameras and 1 week storage, $100/year for 5 cameras and 2 week storage, and $200/year 10 cameras and 1 month storage.
 
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Between Google, Amazon and Apple, which company has a history of leaking sensitive user information?

Hint: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_photos

Not that I would trust any delivery driver with the keys to my house

Well, if say you are daft enough to pick up an easy password as Pasword123 or something like that, what would you expect? From what I understand that was not something leaked by Apple. It was a silly celebrity who had choosen an easy guessable password.
 
A couple of points. First, nobody has mentioned the whole Amazon Flex thing. It is laughably easy to become a Flex driver. No interview, just an online background check. The first time you make any contact with Amazon in person is at the start of your first shift. They check ID when you pick up packages, but there's nothing to stop you from giving the packages to someone else, along with your user/password for the phone app. So Amazon claims they know who's delivering your stuff, but they really don't. And you want to let this person into your home?

Second, comparing the cloud storage to Nest isn't really fair. From what I can tell they're storing only motion activated clips. Nest stores full 24/7 video and only uses motion activation to generate alerts.

Amazon's characterization of the Nest Aware subscription is misleading. Amazon describes it as "Up to 30 days of clips with a plan." That's not true. Nest stored the full video, not just a clip surrounding an event.
 
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Friends and family is fine. But their big push is delivery. I know I have a new UPS guy every week. Not like I know the dude on a personal level.
Watching the video the big push seemed to me to be allowing people who do services (plumber, cleaner, dog sitter etc.) to enter without you being there.
 
What happens when a government is demanding Amazon let them have access to a house because there’s a person of interest in there?
 
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Giving a company who wants to know everything about your life in order to sell you more stuff a view of your house...yeah, not invasive at all. You can bet all those video clips will be stored on Amazon's servers and probably analyzed with ML. Welcome to your dystopian sci-fi future.

As for the Key, unlocking the door while the house in empty just seems like a terrible idea, cam or not, and I'm sure Amazon's TOS will indemnify them from any theft or damage.
 
I heard Amazon is banking on this being convenient for people....I think they are banking on people not having brains anymore. I know I personally get an amazon package a few times a week. I wouldn’t feel comfortable letting a stranger have access to my home when I’m not there, reguardless if there is a camera hooked up. Are people becoming so lazy that they don’t use their brains anymore?

It’s not aimed at lazy. It’s aimed at security, ironically. You’re giving up a bit of personal security by allowing them to deliver inside the house, while gaining security from having your package stolen. I’m not entirely sure how I feel about this, but it’s clearly aimed at the skyrocketing rates of package theft across the US and likely across the world. I personally think new houses and apartments being built should be including some type of package drop box on/in the house.
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I'm not worried about letting Amazon's delivery people into my house - they've proven themselves incapable of finding my door. Pretty much every package I've received with AMZN tracking ends up being left somewhere out in the grass, nowhere near the door or (often) even the house.

UPS and FedEx don't have this problem...

Amazon’s personal shipping service is terrible. Everything I’ve had shipped by them gets lost or delayed. If you contact them they can make a note on your account that you prefer to not use their shipping service. I did this and haven’t had something ship through them in a few months.
 
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I have never, not even once, seen a female delivery person from Amazon or FedEx or UPS or any of the other courier services that convey my Amazon deliveries, let alone one who appears as young, pretty, freshly washed and pressed and benign looking as that lady shown in the ad.

While they have all been professional in behavior so far, they all look pretty exhausted and rough by the time they get to my house.
 
Well, if say you are daft enough to pick up an easy password as Pasword123 or something like that, what would you expect? From what I understand that was not something leaked by Apple. It was a silly celebrity who had choosen an easy guessable password.
Apple shouldn't allow you to choose an easily guessable password.
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Second, comparing the cloud storage to Nest isn't really fair. From what I can tell they're storing only motion activated clips. Nest stores full 24/7 video and only uses motion activation to generate alerts.

Amazon's characterization of the Nest Aware subscription is misleading. Amazon describes it as "Up to 30 days of clips with a plan." That's not true. Nest stored the full video, not just a clip surrounding an event.
It's a big deal, which is why I was saying the important details are easy to miss. And "motion activated clips" can mean many different things. Like, is there a limit to how long it records? I'd want it to record as long as there is motion, but sometimes there's a max time limit. And how sensitive is the motion detection?
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My AMZN delivery Keeps having trouble delivering my stuff. I can't believe the number of times that they said something was out for delivery to then say that there was a shipping problem.
Everyone has issues delivering stuff where I live. Everything is delayed at least a full day, and I get some stuff not even remotely addressed to me. So Amazon Locker is a good alternative.
 
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Apple shouldn't allow you to choose an easily guessable password..

Then people would complain Apple is dictating what password should people choose. Also Apple does (and I do believe this option existed when this happened) 2 factor authentication. In other words, you blaming Apple for people being thick and careless with their stuff, particularly with stuff that would have been more prone to being targeted.

Anyway, this is a fact and have been the case for as long as human have existed. When sh... happens, people would try to blame anyone except themselves.
 
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Everyone has issues delivering stuff where I live. Everything is delayed at least a full day, and I get some stuff not even remotely addressed to me. So Amazon Locker is a good alternative.
That's not my problem, AMZN just sucks.
Here's one bad one. AMZN said it was out for delivery than at 3 pm said there was a delay. The next day same thing but instead of delay shipping damage. I called to find out WTF is going on. They said the items were damaged and they didn't know when I would get them. These were Zagg Screen protectors for our new iPhone 8 Plus at work. I canceled the order. Ordered 4 of them on Amazon Prime Now, drove to Best Buy to get the rest and when I got back from BB. APN had the others delivered. That only took an hour.

FYI I have everything delivered to work. It's in a major business area not some where remote.
 
Or you could just buy a FireTV, Roku, etc. it amazing how much better those work with a full featured remote. Way more features available on those versions of the same app (ie. SlingTv) than the AppleTV versions.

i am already in the Apple ecosystem for the last 30 years.... not about to jump ship now. Plus, I trust Apple more with user security than those other companies who make money from selling my info.
 
I have no doubt the delivery driver would be on their best behavior when delivering, but it doesn’t stop them from quickly scoping out the house for a time when they lose their job or return off-duty.

This is the same reason I’d never let an Uber driver drive my wife to our home.

On a related note, I’m dumbfounded that no company has ever found a way to encrypt addresses. I remember when Rolex got hacked and it exposed the address of everyone who owned a Rolex. Why the heck isn’t our shipping address just GX432-79-T65 at this point? Sure, the delivery services would have to have it decrypted, but I don’t need every EBay seller knowing where I live. A virtual P.O. Box basically, that forwards to your actual house. Lots of people have P.O. Boxes to either protect their address or look more professional, but few actually need/want that mail to sit in the post office.
 
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Apple didn’t leak anything. Blame poor passwords and social engineering for that one.
Sorry, but there have been leaks that were Apple's fault as well, but every major company has these, honestly Amazon has the fewest problems.
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I have no doubt the delivery driver would be on their best behavior when delivering, but it doesn’t stop them from quickly scoping out the house for a time when they lose their job or return off-duty.
This is why the system also has a security camera integrated into it. Personally, I am not sure that I would do this since I can just have most things delivered to my work, but I can see how it would be beneficial to some.

On a related note, I’m dumbfounded that no company has ever found a way to encrypt addresses. I remember when Rolex got hacked and it exposed the address of everyone who owned a Rolex. Why the heck isn’t our shipping address just GX432-79-T65 at this point? Sure, the delivery services would have to have it decrypted, but I don’t need every EBay seller knowing where I live. A virtual P.O. Box basically, that forwards to your actual house. Lots of people have P.O. Boxes to either protect their address or look more professional, but few actually need/want that mail to sit in the post office.
Honestly if it was encrypted like this, it would have to be a universal system that all carriers could read, which means that it would be super easy to decrypt as well. Additionally, if something is delivered to the wrong address right now, you can easily walk it down the street to the correct address, but the chances of that happening if the address is encrypted becomes smaller.
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i am already in the Apple ecosystem for the last 30 years.... not about to jump ship now. Plus, I trust Apple more with user security than those other companies who make money from selling my info.
Don't kid yourself, read the fine print, Apple sells your info as well.
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That's not my problem, AMZN just sucks.
Here's one bad one. AMZN said it was out for delivery than at 3 pm said there was a delay. The next day same thing but instead of delay shipping damage. I called to find out WTF is going on. They said the items were damaged and they didn't know when I would get them. These were Zagg Screen protectors for our new iPhone 8 Plus at work. I canceled the order. Ordered 4 of them on Amazon Prime Now, drove to Best Buy to get the rest and when I got back from BB. APN had the others delivered. That only took an hour.

FYI I have everything delivered to work. It's in a major business area not some where remote.
You are blaming the wrong entity, the issue is the delivery carrier, honestly though if it is available with Prime Now, I always order that way now, otherwise regular Amazon seems to turn up when promised 99% of the time, sometimes earlier.
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I have never, not even once, seen a female delivery person from Amazon or FedEx or UPS or any of the other courier services that convey my Amazon deliveries, let alone one who appears as young, pretty, freshly washed and pressed and benign looking as that lady shown in the ad.

While they have all been professional in behavior so far, they all look pretty exhausted and rough by the time they get to my house.
Really? We get them all the time from Amazon, no one else though.
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Friends and family is fine. But their big push is delivery. I know I have a new UPS guy every week. Not like I know the dude on a personal level.
Strange, ours has been the same for about 5 years, unless he is sick or off that day.
 
@cmwade77 No, most of our US postal delivery people have been women. But I can’t remember ever seeing a woman working for any of the other delivery services.


:)Of course I can’t help but wish Kiki’s Delivery Service were real. She’d always be welcome:

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This is tempting... just so I can see the look on the delivery person's face as my dogs try to eat them for entering their home :p

And that is one of the biggest problems for me. The dog. Our house has a completely open floorplan downstairs, thus she would have to be locked up upstairs in a bedroom all day and that just isn't fair to her. Plus she would be scared hearing someone else come into the house like that. She's sharp, she would know it wasn't me or my husband.

What if they open the door and someone is nude in the house right by the door?

They get a surprise!

Surprise! Now whether that is a good one or a bad one will vary from driver to driver. :D
 
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You are blaming the wrong entity, the issue is the delivery carrier, honestly though if it is available with Prime Now, I always order that way now, otherwise regular Amazon seems to turn up when promised 99% of the time, sometimes earlier.
I am blaming the right entity since AMZL is Amazon's own delivery carrier. Amazon is now competing with FedEX, UPS and USPS. If Amazon ships it by UPS, fedex or USPS, I get it on time.
If you read my post Prime Now didn't have enough to meet my order. That's why I had to goto Best Buy for the rest. Regular Amazon Prime had all I needed for less money and 2 day delivery was fine.
 
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