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Would you consider buying Kindle?

  • Yes

    Votes: 139 27.6%
  • No

    Votes: 365 72.4%

  • Total voters
    504
on their demonstration video on amazon's site they say "no wireless bills" while the guy is using it in an airport. interesting. that could be that you pay a standard subscription fee and then wireless is free everywhere.

the question i still have is how DRM is handled. do i lose all my ebooks when i cancel my subscription? with video's it's not a problem because i watch then only once. but book's you want to keep forever. and technical books or similar you want to use over and over for many years.
 
I personally never saw the point in releasing eBooks. Whenever I get across a .pdf scientific paper, I tend to print it out, if it really is interesting.

Considering the amount of text I can read in a book (which basically shows really sharp contured letters and adequate size - with approx. 1400 dpi), and comparing that to the hassle of scrolling and clicking on my laptop, I'd rather carry the book.

Next thing for me is the DRM-related stuff. You see, I can buy a book, and after I have finished, I can pass it on to a friend. Basically if you do the same with digital data, you are alleged of copyright infringement.

Last but not least, reading a book is a very deep experience (if the author is good). The page flipping movement is so embedded in our spinal cord (due to years of training), that it doesn't distract you. But I think scrolling and page flipping are way a distraction from the plot, as they steal concentration.

Brilliant response.

Though I see problems with this in every form except that it's (a) more convenient than buying rare books, (b) easier than lugging 80 books, and (c) an improvement on non-E-ink technology like PDAs and tablets... I don't know if I believe in this product faithfully. I don't even know what to think. I'd probably be more surprised if it did become the iPod of eBook readers...

Thinking back, the original iPod was a pretty limited device and I certainly didn't want one. (I mean, I would've taken a free one... but I'd take a free Kindle too so that's not saying much.) But it got multitudes better and more appealing with better design, more storage, more compatibility, many variants to choose from, pictures, games, video, etc etc. Now the iPod is a huge smash and a pop culture icon dominating and reinventing the whole industry. Many nay-sayed and ignored the little 'Pod that could... So who knows what this little device might 'Kindle.'
 
Paper backs rule, well at least for now!

Pretty cool stuff but I think I'll be sticking with the trusty old paper back for a while. I'm hanging on for electronic paper/ink. That's when it'll all start to get exciting from a book and magazine perspective.
 
But, it's another device to carry...
If the cost wasn't so obnoxiously high the fact that it is another device wouldn't be a big problem. That is if Amazon can get enough publishers of magazines on board as I'm always carrying trade related journals around with me. The problem here is the lack of color. The other problem is that my reading of this sort of material is sporadic, on a time available basis, and can be done just as well on a a good high resolution laptop. So I don't see much take up here if you can get your electronic books in a form that can be used on any sort of PC.

The other situation where this device might make sense, again at a reasonable cost, is in education. If it can in any way lower the cost of text books in public schools adoption might take place. Again this leads to students actually carrying less stuff around with them. I've actually seen little kids struggle to handle their book bags, so there is potential here.
One of the biggest attractions of the iPhone was that it combined several devices: phone, iPod, Internet Browser (portable computer); into one, portable device.
Exactly! The only problem with the iPhone is the lack of alternative models. Specifically a model with a larger display.
Ditch the iPod, Cell Phone, impromptu Camera, Laptop... carry an iPhone-- It doesn't do everything, but it does "enough" 90% of the time.
This is why I see the so called smart phone market exploding over the short term. Frankly I see the iPhone as a very early example of a smart phone, at least from the standpoint of consumers, that needs to evolve quickly. IPhones grasp on the smart phone market is not as tight as many would want to believe.
Personally, I would prefer a somewhat larger size iPhone that:

1) replaces my wallet (ID, Credit Cards, etc).
2) better Camera, VideoCam
3) Open OS X environment
4) eBook reader with annotation*
Very close to what I'm looking for, one device to serve them all (or something like that). Notably one of the biggest desires is a much better screen. That is one that is larger and of a higher pixel density.

Your idea that it would be a wallet replacement is not that far off as cell phones are sued for this in Japan from what I understand. To really replace your wallet though it would need to supply a cover or overleaf for drivers license and the occasional "card". The biggest problem here is keeping the device slim.

I'm of the opinion though that an iPhone that totally replaces everything in the pocket will still be too small to act as a book reader. At least for comfortable long term reading. For looking up technical information in PDF's the iPhone could be ideal. I say could because there is no good way to manage your PDF's or other files on the device - it needs a file browser bad. This hints at your mention of a open OS on the device and frankly is the reason I don't have an iPhone at the moment.

Which brings up the issue of cost. Sorry Apple but if I'm going to spend that much money on a small computer, like the iPhone, I need it to do a lot more than you are allowing. Especially when the device is perfectly capable of do what I want but has artificial limitations.
*There are 3rd-party (free) apps for the iPhone that provide an eBook reader and on-screen drawinging (Sketches).
Yeah if you are willing to compromise the iPhone a bit. In any event he screen is still to small for continuous reading. combine that with the fact that Apple has yet to ship a computers most basic and required application, has caused me to skip the iPhone until Apple wises up. By the way this most basic of applications is a file browser.
Like the iPhone, this "somewhat larger device" does not need to be best-in-breed for every function (phone, eBook reader, etc)... just better than most, intuitive, high-quality, fun to use-- eh, Apple-like!
Correct. At the moment though the iPhone is best of the breed. It does look like Android will give it a run for its money. Hopefully Apple will have a number of iPhones out by the time Android hits.
I suspect that Apple will announce such a device in January.
I'm resisting purchasing anything for a few more months. If I can't find the right device for the pocket I might go for an ultra mobile PC. Don't really want to do that but the iPhone is just to limited in its current guise.
Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify.
- Henry David Thoreau

Interestingly Apple has been very successful at the simplifying of technical details. The thing is they went to far with the iPhone in my opinion. It is not about the easy to use interface which is very important for the device, it is more about the intentional lack of access. The machine would be much more useful with things like a cover flow based file browser and a few good independent viewing programs. I often have to reference technical details for the equipment I work on, normally either HTML or PDF documents. It is critical that any smart phone I get has the ability to manage and view those documents locally. Apple went off the deep end on this issue if you ask me.

Dave
 
I just don't get why this is "revolutionary". I have been reading ebooks on my Palm handheld (first an E, then a TX) for two years now and in that time I haved saved tons on paperback books.

It has wifi, downloadable books, SD ram...and in addition to reading books I can surf the web, play music, watch movies, browse photos.

I can look up words in Merriam Websters (or whatever dictionary I prefer to have installed).

What would be interesting for me is a larger screen with better resolution, because a Palm is no good at PDFs. But for fiction and non-fiction books it's brilliant!

Give me an ipod with a slightly larger screen and ereader software! :)
 
my appologies if someone has already said this but, the 'tablet mac' rumor rears its head every time apple are working on another product. It has become an ideal smoke screen for nifty new gadgets. So, by my guess the 'apple eBook' is just round the corner.

It is the next logical product for them.

Also, I would say it has been on the road map for some time, and was one of the reasons for renaming the 'iBook' to 'macBook', guess what an apple made eBook will be called...!

Apple with any sense (and rather than coming out with 'the first' product), would have been waiting for processor speed, screen & technologies to become mature, which is about now.

By the way Apple, if you are reading, please can I have a UI 'guesture' from bottom right corner to left which turns a page please(as if 'thumbing' through real pages).
This guesture can also be used for other applications as a 'forward', 'next' command in browsers etc.
Oh and animate it (obviously!)

And buy your eBooks from iTunes.

chuck in a browser, wifi, usb2. quicktime, audio output, itunes, video output for presentations (maybe) , osx

I would buy one.
 
i am excited about this ebook reader!

i love to read and i go through books pretty quickly. i started reading ereader ebooks on my palm pda about 8 years ago. i love the idea of having multiple books with me at any time, and being able to download more OTA with this device. and, since i like to be environmentally conscious, i really do like the idea of not killing more trees to make books, newspapers, and magazines (in addition to taking public transportation, walking more, and recycling/composting everything possible, etc.).

i don't think this device has to be pretty. i love my iphone, and am curious to see if an ebook reader app will come out from apple or a 3rd party after february, but reading as much as i do will kill the battery life of my iphone as it is. i don't mind having an extra device to carry around - given its size and weight, it's just like carrying around the one book i'm reading at a given time anyway.

i think ebooks are the future, and i'm willing to get on board with amazon's version of how it should work. this is going on my christmas list, unless i crack and buy one for myself beforehand...
 
All the kids are talking about it!

Kids, tired of reading the same ol' boring books in analog form?!?!?

Well, now thanks to Amazon, you get to read the same books, but on a screen!! With technology!!!

$399 Please.
 
Does it come complete with curly dog eared corners? My books feel better with use. You can tell the good ones on the shelf because they look knackered!
 
here is MY ebook

eBook
iPod
Internet communicator
Productivity station
Entertainment system
and more...!

It even has a 17" screen!

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Anyway, I understand the e-ink is nice to read and I can't wait for all monitors to have color e-ink with quick refresh rate (maybe 10 years if the technology takes off?), but at this time how many devices do we want to carry around? I am happy to have MBP and iPhone...
 
The should at least ditch that keyboard on it...but then again, I guess there is no e-ink touchscreen yet. It looks like a device from the 80s or 90s.
 
I think for the geek set (myself included) this is a cool device, although I can't justify 400 for it on top of my lovely iphone. Plus being the geek that I am I have repurposed an old Palm OS device as an ebook repository. :)

My concern with this device, and in my opinion the reason e-books are a harder sell, is that they are marketed and designed as though they are on the same path as cds/dvds. The thing is, with a CD or DVD, you know up front the purchase of the media is not the entire product; there is an up-front player cost as well. That's why the digital audio player/personal media player market has exploded; you already need a device to make your media work, and you simply eliminate the need for the physical media. it's also an easier jump to go from spending 100 on a portable CD player to spending 300 on an mp3 player that's a quarter of the size.

With books, there's no barrier to entry if you don't have a player or device. They are standalone media. So basically it's the reverse of the cd/dvd issue; Amazon wants us to choose the device to eliminate the physical book, rather than requiring it as a point of entry to using the media. They need to drop the price like a rock to get people interested. I think you'd have an easier time with mass e-book acceptance if the player cost 100.00 and the books were closer to normal price to recoup the loss. It's a hell of a lot easier to sell people on the portability factor when it doesn't cost as much as a PSP/iPhone/Several old PDAs/etc.
 
Apple need to do something like this, but it can't JUST be for eBooks.
What you are talking about most people would call a tablet computer. YES APPLE NEEDS O DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
Make it a tablet computer that also let you read eBooks. Kinda low powered, but very functional. eBooks could be bought through the iTMS, but also on the iTunes WiFi Store. Not only that, work out deals with Barnes and Noble, Books-a-Million, etc. to let you buy digital books from their stores...kinda like how you can go to Star Bucks and buy their music.
Low powered?? Depends on what you mean. What it can not be though is short on memory. Fortunately Apple seems to understand this with respect to its hand held devices. The device needs at a minimal 32 GB of flash built in with support for user supplied Flash (CF or SDHC). I'd really like to see 64 GB. As to the other measurements of "power" it needs to be as responsive as the current iPhone on a much higher resolution screen.
The eBooks should NOT cost as much as a physical book. For instance, if the physical book is $10, the eBook should be around $6 or $7. You SHOULD be able to let someone borrow an eBook via Bonjour, WiFi, USB, BlueTooth, etc.; but it will be gone from your device until they "give" it back...or better yet, they can put expiration dates on borrowed items.
I agree on the cost issue, getting rid of the paper should dramatically lower the cost of a book. Like wise you have some really great ideas expressed above, I hope somebody in charge is reading.
You can set it to let someone borrow a book for a week. Your book would be "gone" or "disabled/invisible" until the expiration date arrives. Then you would have access to your book again and it would be deleted from the borrower's device. You shouldn't be able to make copies of eBooks either.
Good ideas followed up with bad. There is nothing wrong with copying the books especially to a personal computer ala iTunes.
This device should read PDFs.

You should be able to do presentations with this device.
Just make it an open Mac OS/x platform and we will be all set.
Also, this device from Apple should probably use *gulp* a stylus. You can write notes on pages and such. If it doesn't use a stylus, I guess typing on it like the iPhone will have to do.
Again we agree, but I have a twist here - it should capture the test initially as a bit map. This prevents the distraction of funky character recognition and allows one to illustrate right into a document. Throwing text notes into a document is one thing but that is often only part of communication. Plus many learning processes require the drawing of objects.
You should be able to get magazine subscriptions via iTunes also for this Apple device. The subscriptions should also be cheaper than physical ones.
As long has it has color we will be all set. For technical journals a color LCD display would be very tolerable.
This device should be more than just an eBook reader. It should also have Safari built in, iSight for video conferencing, play music and videos (of course), receive email, and other things like the iPhone and iPod Touch.
Just call it a tablet running MAC OS/X and be done with it. Make it an open device so we can throw stuff like Skype on it and we are all set.
There should be a version of iWork that works on this device. It should be able to connect to network printers also. Perhaps even iLife could run on it, but I don't know about powerful software like Adobe CS3. That's a bit much. No one would really want to try to run something like that on a slightly limited device. It should be more powerful than an iPhone, but less than a MacBook.
The first goal to meet is the ability to run for a long time on battery. IPhone is plenty powerful for a unit its size. A larger screen will require more power but that could very well reside in a GPU. What I don't want is to trade battery life and size for excessive CPU power simply because. Considering the state of multiprocessing it might make more sense to put a dual core processor in the unit running a bit slower than the iPhone.
It should have perhaps around a 32GB SSD. 1GB of RAM. It should be as thin as an iPhone, but maybe a 7x5 in. screen.
RAM is an issue and frankly needs to be sized to minimize the watts dissipated while offering up enough space for the assembled software. It would be nice if Apple could get the key apps to execute in place, that is in a system flash. This would save a lot of RAM space if code segments where executed out of flash. It would also mean that two types of flash would need to be implemented but most systems do this anyways. Again the goal is to minimize power usage by dropping the need for lots of RAM. If Apple could implement the core OS and the larger apps this way we might end up with a very impressive system.

In any event what Apple shouldn't do is trade off a large solid state storage space for other features. The primary goals should be a large high resolution touch screen and lots of flash storage.
iChat should also work on this device.

Other applications should be available for this device also. Doctors should be able to use it, moms should be able to use it, people working out should be able to use it. People will find reasons to use it.

The price of this device should be between the top iPhone and the MacBook. Maybe around $599 - $699.
Way to expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to occupy a segment just above the Touch.
Maybe it could be called iPad, iNote, or just Newton.

:apple:
I like NewtonMAXI myself.


Dave
 
Only way to make it work---

No DRM. Period. Reasonable price ($10 for most of the books is a joke!).

I have several 1,000 page code and reference books I would love to have as an "e-book", but the publishers only offer them as heavily crippled DRM'd files. The DRM prevents me from doing what I can do with a hard copy-- photocopy a page or two, highlight/annotate, and send off to a client.

What Amazon is doing sounds an awful lot like selling free (public domain) content for $2, and selling copyrighted content for about the cost of a hard copy. Oh, and you don't get a subsidized e-book reader either.

Until you have seamless portability content to different devices and platforms, e-books are dead.
 
Just to have all the theorems in Lang's Algebra, Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis, and Munkre's Topology in one place in my bag, ...

It's "Munkres", but thank you for triggering some pleasant memories. I took a topology course from Prof. Munkres in the mid 70's ,and we used what must have been the first printing of the first edition of this volume. He was a great professor, and I remember it as one of my favorite courses at the time. I'm pleasantly surprised to learn that it is still in use.

(I also just discovered this book now sells for $100-$130. If that's what college textbooks cost these days, the cost of a $400 reader would barely be noticed.)
 
I think it has a be a little more than the iPhone. If this thing is like a mini computer, people might skip the iPhone/iPod Touch for this. Apple would rather you get 2 or them...or all of them.

I think $599 for a device like I described is a steal. Hell, I bought my iPhone for $599, and I thought that was a steal.

Apple could be onto something truly huge if they do this correctly. Imagine the future of books, well...most books, on this device. They can do with books as to what they did with music.

The Kindle isn't going anywhere. It looks like something from the 90's, seriously. Its big, bulky, ugly, and only reads books and newspapers. I'd like it to have more functions than that.
:apple:
 
Engadget Review

According to the Engadget review, there is no Wi-Fi. It's all through Sprint's EVDO. There is no montly cost. Amazon picks up the tab.
 
The only way I see this being successful is if it sells for $99. The books and media you'll purchase will also have to be very inexpensive, much cheaper than it's "printed" counterpart since it cuts-out paper, printing, shipping and retail space & staffing.

Really, I see 3 mass-markets at play here: the home-user, education and business.

HOME MARKET:
Such a device needs to be designed as "low-tech" as possible since it's replacing the "lowest-tech" medium. People that read books, magazines and newspapers have a tangible connection to reading. The feel of paper, turning of pages, dog-ear page corners, highlighting and other things are non-tech interaction. We're surrounded by technology in our day, so when it comes down to relaxing and reaching for your book, another digital device is not really what I want to "interact" with.

EDUCATION & BUSINESS markets are where this device could take off. It's much more preferred by these groups to use a high-tech device for low-tech tasks. As someone else pointed out, to carry all your textbooks in one device with search-ability is perfect. Textbooks can be updated and revised with ease. Business could also be a big for training, manuals and such, but for wide-spread use it'll have to be low-cost.

For all 3 markets this device needs to be more than affordable, otherwise you're crossing into laptop market, plus the ultra-portables & tablets looming on the horizon. This device needs only to serve it's one purpose, TEXT, and it needs to inexpensive enough to justify it's purchase over multi-functional ultras & tablets. However, the biggest selling point is the reduction of paper-use and it being a "green" product. The timing for this couldn't be better and will play no small part to it's success, but price always trumps "eco" in consumer's buying decisions. In the life of this device, will this save me money over what I'm buying now?

I'll be very disappointed if it sells more than $99. It's why every similar device before it has failed. Don't compare this to the iPod and music, not the same. Music is high-tech, thats why people pay big money for iPods, home and car stereos. Text is low-tech, reading is intimate and personal. While there's room for this functionality in higher-tech devices, an ebook reader itself will always be viewed as low-tech no matter what you put into it. It's the digital equivalent to paper and ink which is about as basic as you can get.

IMHO,
TTE :)
 
Jeff Bezos... or the kindle? either way... I agree.

LOL. Yup.

Q: How many buttons do you need to read an amazon ebook?
A: Apparently more than 50! :eek:

In other notes, another publication reports "Zinio, a company specializing in online publishing, is now offering free online editions of popular magazines for users of the iPhone or the iPod touch. Titles include the likes of American Photo, Car & Driver, NME, Popular Mechanics and Playboy." http://www.zinio.com/iphone
 
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