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It will be interesting to see what happens to Kindle/iPhone integration if (when?) Apple releases its much rumored 9"-10" iTablet.

At this point, iPhone isn't a real competitor to Kindle when it comes to digital books. But obviously the game will change quite a bit when Apple comes out with its own device, more similar to Kindle in form factor.

It's also highly likely that Apple will start selling e-books on iTunes Store, when they have a device suitable for serious book reading.. So at that point Apple and Amazon will be in much more direct competition.
 
I guess you'll have to wing it and use real books then. :eek:

Perhaps the day that Amazon open a store in Spain (yes, the country that "colonized" the Americas "replacing" all the natives with all the people that didn´t want at home) :p
 
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iTablet/kindle DX

Ok..
I think this cements the fact that the iTablet will run on a version of the iPhone OS X.

Still a chance it maybe an updated iTunes for the tablet to incorporate the kindle files?
 
iPad

I think it will all come together by summers end. no iTablet tho, i like the name iPad. Think iPad........ Using Amazon with an iPad could prove worthwhile.
 
As for $10. Perhaps there are high prices locally, but that about the price of a ticket to one of the local movie theaters. Likewise to can access to a nightclub for an evening... have paid more than $10. Those are "use once". The book you have for a long time.... even if you replace the kindle you'd still have your library.

I get your point, but going to a theater or a nightclub were never things you take home and enjoy again, so you can't really compare them to books vs. e-books. If you use that logic, going out to dinner would be compared to buying an e-book.
 
You probably forgot the smilely face after the slavery joke.

Copyright law doesn't permit unbounded sharing of the hard books. Family and friends fall under "Fair Use", but nothing like what has been twisted by the 'everybody is my friend on torrent' notion popularized on the web.
Multiple Kindles can be linked to the same amazon account. Among those (up to 7 for now) Kindles the book content can be shared.

The law depends on where you live. In the US a physical book can be loaned, given away of sold without limit. It can not be copied but as long as you give away the physical book it is not being copied. Other places may have more restrictive laws
 
I don't think this will end well for Amazon, trying to skirt around Apple's cut. I do think that perhaps in-app purchases should be less than the 30% though. That seems reasonable for an app, but not for every little bit of content or renewing every subscription. If you have a subscription model, let's say a MMORPG with a monthly fee, Apple is getting 30% from you for the rest of time. If the fee were reduced, though, I think we'd see a lot of free or 99¢ apps which then download the full version through in-app purchasing, so I don't know what a good solution is.
 
Further proof that the money is in the sale of eBooks and not Kindles. If they make the Kindle more affordable, they'll sell millions of them.
 
The background on a Kindle is optimized for reading for extended periods of time, does reading a whole book on an iPhone hurt your eyes?
 
Just read that supposedly Amazon is hiking up the price of at least some of their e-books. I think these guys (and the publishers) are getting too greedy (predictably) and someone will come up with something that's a better value. Maybe that's Apple. Now Apple is also greedy, but at least I know I'll be getting a better experience for the money. Sure the Kindle is cool, but if this fictitious device also works smoothly within my Apple "universe" (uses my Apple ID for purchases, syncs content between all my desktops, laptops, iPhone, runs OS X, has a real web browser and mail application, plays games, plays HD QuickTime movies, etc.), then suddenly the Kindle starts really looking like a very limited, overpriced brick. Yes, the Kindle e-ink screen may be more natural for reading, but it it really worth giving up all the other stuff for?
 
Amazon do not sell kindel books to non-us customers. As if only Amrican can read, or as if reading and writing was invented in the US.

I have news or you Amazon guys, most of humanity can read these days and even english.

Shame on you...

(Same for Apple policies for non US customers)

post flaws aside, you should reconsider shaming Amazon and Apple for the absurd copyright restrictions that various governments (primarily in the US and EU) have imposed on them. I work for a record label that can't sell 1/4 of our products in the US because they "might" violate a 90 year old copyright that keeps getting extended every few years by the RIAA's congressional lobbists. I'm talking about historical recordings that the major labels will NEVER re-release, in many cases recordings that the copyright "owners" don't even have a copy of to begin with.

If Amazon could legally sell ebooks on the kindle in your country, over your 3G networks, then you'd better believe that they would be doing so already.
 
I don't think this will end well for Amazon, trying to skirt around Apple's cut.

Nothing really changed, FWIW... you could already buy a book for the Kindle app from the iPhone via Safari before. It just wasn't via a MobileSafari optimized website. I bought a book for my Kindle on my iPhone and had it sent to the Kindle app while I was on a train, all over EDGE.

I think that eBooks will not be viable on the iPhone unless either (a) Apple sells them itself or (b) there is no 30% cut, as there isn't now for Amazon.

Apple doesn't make a 30% cut on music, now. There's no way the eBook market would be viable if another intermediary had to be paid $3 for every $10 Kindle book.

Plus, it doesn't accomplish anything for Apple. If I had to pay a premium to get my Kindle books on my iPhone I'd just delete the Kindle app and continue reading them only on my Kindle 2....
 
The background on a Kindle is optimized for reading for extended periods of time, does reading a whole book on an iPhone hurt your eyes?

Reading on iPhone CAN be a strain but some eBooks purchased as apps use backgrounds and formatting that make it all easier on the eye. Plus it is a good way of reading in low light without having to disturb other people by switching lamps on.
 
The law depends on where you live. In the US a physical book can be loaned, given away of sold without limit. It can not be copied but as long as you give away the physical book it is not being copied. Other places may have more restrictive laws

That is partially because you have to give it away if physical. The "loan" is really just an agreement you'll eventually give it back.

If the e-book were transferred, could do the same thing with it. However, that would mean deleting the book from all Kindles connected to that account, invalidating any "back up" they may have copied off the Kindle to the local computer (or somehow rendering that unreadable somehow), transferring the book to the friend and then repeating the process at the end of the loan.

Not sure if Amazon has built a "delete" into the system that tracks your library. There would also be a number of folks freaked out by the "delete from my Kindle" feature. Apple has a kill switch, but they go out of their way to say they don't want to use it either (except under extreme circumstances).


That would be nice if Amazon did that. I'm not sure they have fully worked out the selling the books in to the first owner step. The big copyright holders don't really like competing with the secondary ownership market. So if enable that too fast they'll throw up roadblocks. Apple got the over billion songs sold before got to the DRM free stage with songs. Folks want the book market to jump to that stage with far few units sold.

For Amazon it could be like a "e-gift card" thing. You transfer ownership of a e-book from your library to theirs. It would be more complicated if folks wanted to sell them but books as gifts... that shouldn't make the book selling folks too up tight. (although with paypal could just settle up without Amazon in the loop. ) Then if it is a "loan" it would be just a free gift over and a free gift back. Also not sure the number of kindles out there is a large enough re-gift market ( although catch-22, this might help drive some sales. "if you had a Kindle I'd would transfer some books I don't want anymore to your library." )

However, often in discussion of things electronic, the notion of wanting to "lend" isn't a real transfer the sole copy but of giving someone access through a copy.


The US code... ( not sure if this is latest, but doubt this subsection has changed)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html
the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:
...
(3)[\B] to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;


Note the lending. Must books comes with a notice next to the copyright of "All Rights Reserved".

I think these guys (and the publishers) are getting too greedy (predictably) and someone will come up with something that's a better value.

Some publishers are in the business of selling "hot" books. They want to strike before the popularity fades. In that sense it isn't really greed that has the book priced higher when demand is very high and then lower once it fades. Those who are willing to wait a year (or so) until the price drops get to pay a lower fee. Those who have to read it right now or they will just "die".. pay a somewhat higher fee. [ Targeting the "That's Hot", Paris Hilton style, market is why we get more trash. ]


If the higher fee was permanent long after it drops off the best seller list then that would be greed. They should also have much less leverage after the Kindle catalog becomes huge and if they develop better ways folks can find good books that don't have huge advertising budgets. Competition always helps reduce prices.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Kindle/iPhone integration if (when?) Apple releases its much rumored 9"-10" iTablet.

At this point, iPhone isn't a real competitor to Kindle when it comes to digital books. But obviously the game will change quite a bit when Apple comes out with its own device, more similar to Kindle in form factor.

There are no serious rumors about an iTablet. There are tons of folks on rumor boards lobbying for an iTablet, but there is exceedingly little evidence that Apple is working on one. There are things that are twisted into being tablet work, but nothing remotely creditable.


It is up there with the G5 powered iBook.

Anything 9"-10" inches in diameter better have a keyboard attached to it. At which point if still under the low end macbook in price ... would be the new lowest end of the macbook line. (and not good reason why it would be an iPhone OS dervative. )
 
The background on a Kindle is optimized for reading for extended periods of time, does reading a whole book on an iPhone hurt your eyes?

I kind of like it, actually. You can make the font large enough to see a whole page without actually having to move your eyes from side to side, you just scan down! So then if you read fast then you're more likely to complain about hurting your thumb than your eyes...

Usually I only read from an iPhone or iPod touch for ten or fifteen minutes at a time, usually while babysitting some other machine's downloads or backups. So maybe reading for longer periods of time would reduce my enjoyment, I'm not sure.
 
Amazon do not sell kindel books to non-us customers. As if only Amrican can read, or as if reading and writing was invented in the US.

I have news or you Amazon guys, most of humanity can read these days and even english.

Shame on you...

(Same for Apple policies for non US customers)

It's such a shame all these American companies cater first to their best customers! It's also a shame that there are no European companies out there doing the same thing and making their own rules so that you poor Euros don't have to feel so discriminated against!
 
I saw a kindle user for the first time the other day, and I was actually really impressed. I might even consider buying one.

I had a Kindle 1 that I gave to my Mom after I purchased my Kindle 2. My Kindle has a 'skin' on it, not fond of white for something I use so much. I read several books at a time and at least 2 a week.
 

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The background on a Kindle is optimized for reading for extended periods of time, does reading a whole book on an iPhone hurt your eyes?

No problem here. I've read 5 of the freebies and my only complaint is that my arms cramp eventually when laying flat in bed reading. How many hours is too many?
 
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