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This has nothing to do with Apple at all, if I wanted to know about the Kindle I'd use KindleRumors... :rolleyes:

I've been kind of thinking that myself. But I can see the relationship to Apple's possible netbook/tablet release, however that isn't mentioned in the article.
 
Useful, but certainly expensive. I thought this was going to be cheaper, considering the rumors mentioned, to the best of my knowledge, that students could use it for text books.

Then again, I've seen school text books go for $200+

Looks like Kindle 2 it is, for me at least.


How so ? Everything it costs to manufacture it is of course higher, just because NYT times made deals to have long term subscriptions doesn't mean the price will be lower it's not like the Kindle DX is dependent on Newspapers to function. It'd certainly piss me off if it were cheaper than the K2 but I really didn't see the logic in them making it cheaper.

I have a kindle 2 and I love it! I will buy a DX when color is introduced for text books and such, but the K2 is the perfect size for reading.
 
As both a Mechanical Engineer and Computer Scientist I will add that anyone who sells back their textbooks, used or new is a fool. You will end up hunting down those valuable resources later in your career and wished you had kept them. The life cycle of the Kindle DX books is extremely limited. Backup to CD-ROM/DVD/Blu-Ray/External HDD?

I agree - i have a variety that i still use. I dug out some art history papers for my daughter just 2 weeks ago. She isn't happy with the fact i got rid of a few books either - me telling her about it wasn't good enough! LOL!!
 
The irony is that the Boston Globe is poised to shutdown in 60 days.

Sweet irony. With luck, the NYT and WP aren't very far behind. I disliked their obvious "news" bias years ago. I dislike them now. Now that the government is looking for ways to bail these hacks out with more of my tax dollars, I loathe them even more.

IMO, newspaper subscriptions for the Kindle should be remarkably cheap - considering the source.

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I agree with everything you say about a device that would function like this. Unfortunately the kindle can not handle this workload. The no color is a deal breaker right off the bat. The price per textbook is still to high, no matter how you break it down. Textbooks on college campuses are out of control currently. But you have to understand that in the current system most students are simply "renting" the textbooks. I just asked one of my students how much books are for the semester. She payed $420 for the semester and she will sell them for $250-300. She is out over the long term $200-250. Those same books (some are not available) using the kindle would cost her $500 and she owns them but she will never use them again. What do you think she is going to do. I would love to get rid of paper books and newspapers but this device can not do that yet. A device further down the road maybe will have all the functions you mentioned.


I think the point here is that ideally the prices of those text books should be cheaper given there are no copies to be printed, no distribution costs, no overhead on inventory management, not to mention the reduction in value caused by the typical yearly version release on some of these texts. There is absolutely no reason a $200 printed book should cost more than half that other than royalty rights and greed.

Whats even more ridiculous are professors who charge $80-$150 for xeroxed-3-hole-punched-shrink-wrapped-self-authored texts. :rolleyes:
 
This has nothing to do with Apple at all, if I wanted to know about the Kindle I'd use KindleRumors... :rolleyes:

Clearly you did want to know about the new Kindle b/c you bothered to hit the comment button to read the full story and all the comments. Then you went a step further an bother to comment. I think the likely behavior of someone uninterested in an article is to scroll past it.
 
Clearly you did want to know about the new Kindle b/c you bothered to hit the comment button to read the full story and all the comments. Then you went a step further an bother to comment. I think the likely behavior of someone uninterested in an article is to scroll past it.

I don't think his point was based on interest, but simply pure pertinence.
 
Too pricey.

Yeah, sure. Which is why no one owns an HDTV these days. Didn't you hear? They used to cost $3,000. Who would EVER pay for one of those!? :eek: Surely they vanished after such a pricey introduction!
 
I think the point here is that ideally the prices of those text books should be cheaper given there are no copies to be printed, no distribution costs, no overhead on inventory management, not to mention the reduction in value caused by the typical yearly version release on some of these texts. There is absolutely no reason a $200 printed book should cost more than half that other than royalty rights and greed.

Whats even more ridiculous are professors who charge $80-$150 for xeroxed-3-hole-punched-shrink-wrapped-self-authored texts. :rolleyes:

Yeah, It's a racket. I blame the school book stores as well giving crappy returns back for your books.
 
As for all of the "that's too pricey comments", puuhhhleeease. Most of us on here have purchased Macs and iPods and iPhones as early adopters at quite a premium. Does this thing do as much as the iPhone or Macs? No. But people will pay for what they like and there will be plenty of people who will like this.
Hmm, well I guess it depends on how you define "plenty". I'm willing to venture that the number of people who want a phone/smartphone/computer/iPod is vastly larger than the number of people who need a dedicated e-book reader, especially in the U.S. (which I think is the only place Sprint EVDO works?). Americans no longer read in large numbers. Last figure I saw, which was about 5 years ago, said that only 11% of Americans read newspapers anymore, and I'm not sure what the figure is for books, but it might be even smaller. Well, we'll see. Amazon is trying for the old Apple model of premium pricing for a wonderful user experience, but I don't know if it will work in this space. I wish Amazon luck in selling these, but I won't be buying any until they are under $250 at least, at which point I will probably buy at least 3 of them (one for me + gifts).
 
Reading aficionado

I think people here would be surprised at the number of reading aficionados out there. Will this have the worldwide success of the iPhone, not likely, but it will find its niche and do well.

As far as the Kindle is concerned, it's a step in the right direction e-ink, but otherwise it fails. It came too late in the game for newspapers, blogs and magazines. Carrying a Kindle is not convenient because it doesn't fit in my pocket and if I'm not on the move, I'll use a computer to get this information.

I am a reading aficionado, if such a term could be applied. I read about 1-2 books a week when I can because reading a good book is truly entertaining.

I have tried to read books on the iPhone because I do use my iPhone for reading news/blogs/etc., but it's not the same. It's not the size though. Books just shouldn't have buttons. There is a phenomenal tactile experience to holding a book and turning the pages.
 
What happens if you drop the thing?
It only comes with a one year warranty. If something goes awry with it, will you lose all the data?

So many questions....
 
I think the point here is that ideally the prices of those text books should be cheaper given there are no copies to be printed, no distribution costs, no overhead on inventory management, not to mention the reduction in value caused by the typical yearly version release on some of these texts. There is absolutely no reason a $200 printed book should cost more than half that other than royalty rights and greed.

Whats even more ridiculous are professors who charge $80-$150 for xeroxed-3-hole-punched-shrink-wrapped-self-authored texts. :rolleyes:

There is absolutely no reason a release verion 12 of a Physics for Engineering Textbook which is roughly 100 pages more than version 6 costs $150 while version 6 cost $54 when it was new.

Thanks to technical publishers consolidating we've gotten less choice, prices have skyrocketed and professors are rehashing works that didn't need to be rehashed, but offered only as addendums and advanced problem sets/solutions offerings.

They know that only the serious engineering student or physicist would want them and they wouldn't sell much so they bury the product with a fraction of those new problem sets, add some more color and jack up the pricing.

Ironically, Dover Publications has the majority of the best tombs in Science and they are a fraction of the cost of any text book.

Professors should stop recommending version 12 and skip it all together in favor of Dover Publications until the publisher is willing to re-release version 6 and the add-on options.

I'm staring at Physics for Scientists and Engineers, by Serway and Jewitt, 6th edition. I paid $35 on Amazon for it. The print paper is weaker than version 5. It however offers a whizbang option to get a physics problem solver, online!

Whoopi! Sit down and use a pencil, your grid paper and your brain to learn Physics. When you think a problem solver will be useful it's called Numerical Analysis and you're dealing with 20 x 20 matrices to crunch out FEA/FEM problems for Fluid Flow, Heat Transfer and Fatigue. You're not dealing with it in your lower level physics courseware.

There is no way in hell that Kindle will match the lifespan of this big book.

Then again people continue to drop their iPhones in the crapper because they are that self-absorbed and lack the dexterity to hold the phone while relieving themselves. Apple now offering a replacement for $199 and calling it a common occurrence speaks volumes about Humanity, in general.
 
As far as the Kindle is concerned, it's a step in the right direction e-ink, but otherwise it fails. It came too late in the game for newspapers, blogs and magazines. Carrying a Kindle is not convenient because it doesn't fit in my pocket and if I'm not on the move, I'll use a computer to get this information.

I am a reading aficionado, if such a term could be applied. I read about 1-2 books a week when I can because reading a good book is truly entertaining.

I have tried to read books on the iPhone because I do use my iPhone for reading news/blogs/etc., but it's not the same. It's not the size though. Books just shouldn't have buttons. There is a phenomenal tactile experience to holding a book and turning the pages.

Agreed.

Somehow I think Bezo thinks Star Trek Next Generation has arrived and ignores Captain Picards love affair with reading Moby Dick in it's original print format.
 
Too pricey.

Yeah, sure. Which is why no one owns an HDTV these days. Didn't you hear? They used to cost $3,000. Who would EVER pay for one of those!? :eek: Surely they vanished after such a pricey introduction!
The problem with that argument is that several years after the initial "high-priced" Kindle model, when version 2.0 came out (same size screen, essentially just remodeled), the price actually went UP (considering the new one doesn't come with a cover) instead of down. It appears the economies of scale and manufacturing efficiency aren't working here, like they do for every other product.

Sure, some people still pay $3,000 for a television, but these are vastly superior to the ones they were selling for $3,000 15 years ago: they are digital, high-definition, brighter, have a larger viewing angle, more power efficient, weigh 1/2 to 1/8 as much, and take up 1/10th the space in your home (in fact, can be mounted on the wall). The vast majority of televisions people are buying still have most of these advantages but are much closer to $1,000 today. Additionally $3,000 15 years ago was more money than $3,000 is today because of inflation.
 
HAHAHAHA! All you people who are saying its too pricey, its just sad.
The moment a high costing electronic isnt made by apple, it becomes to expensive.

Seriously, if this was an Apple product, the cost would not be the issue.

Apple fans make me sick sometimes..
 
What happens if you drop the thing?
It only comes with a one year warranty. If something goes awry with it, will you lose all the data?

So many questions....
Ever seen Will it Blend? featuring Kindle? Thats what happens if you drop it.

Fixed your typos ;)
Wow

Agreed.

Somehow I think Bezo thinks Star Trek Next Generation has arrived and ignores Captain Picards love affair with reading Moby Dick in it's original print format.
You know as well as I do the computer on Enterprise narrates the book for Capt. Picard and he justs looks at the pictures.
 
The problem with that argument is that several years after the initial "high-priced" Kindle model, when version 2.0 came out (same size screen, essentially just remodeled), the price actually went UP

Uh...are we talking about the same product? The first Kindle came out 18 months ago. By my count, that's not "several years."

You must be thinking of something else, I guess?

The Kindle is still a pretty new product compared to things like HDTV, which did take sevearl years to get cheaper. (Not 18 months.)
 
What happens if you drop the thing?
It only comes with a one year warranty. If something goes awry with it, will you lose all the data?

So many questions....

People don't like it when one asks pragmatic and common reality scenario questions.

Ever seen Will it Blend? featuring Kindle? Thats what happens if you drop it.


Wow


You know as well as I do the computer on Enterprise narrates the book for Capt. Picard and he justs looks at the pictures.

He's got the holodeck for those "pretty" pictures to turn his crank.
 
FWIW, I have an iRex Iliad (see http://www.irextechnologies.com/) which I paid 649 euros for. I love the thing. The e-ink screens simply can't be compared with laptop LCDs. You can read them outside, in direct sunlight. For me, the major appeal is that I can "print" any document to the device. I actually rarely read ebooks on them; I use it for reference documents (PDFs); I can scribble annotations onto them. I couldn't care less about color; the majority of my documents are black-and-white anyway.

You should really try to see one "in the flesh". The display technology really is amazing, and I hope we'll get to see more like this in other devices.
 
Here's where the news industry has one last lifeline before drowning in technology. As someone who has worked in said industry for the last 14 years, I've watched this scenario play out time and time again. Something new comes along, the news industry either downplays its importance or ignores it completely only to have it boomerang on them and cut them off at the knees.

I'm hoping the big media companies and Amazon will take a page from the cell phone/telecom arrangement and subsidize the cost of the hardware by tying it in with a subscription to news content.

Of course, history teaches us they will not do this until it's too late (watch for it around 2015) so goodbye news industry. It was nice knowing ya.
 
This is a contradiction in itself. The fact that the technology costs a lot because it's new doesn't mean we can't still say it's expensive...the Kindle IS indeed expensive for the ridiculously limited scope it has as a device.

No, it's not a contradiction. Unit volume and time decrease costs; "new" costs more. More is greater than less, at least on my planet. What's a contradiction? I still don't think, at the introductory price, that it's expensive. And I still don't want one. Your mileage may vary.
 
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