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1 more year too late. MSFT should have been arriving at the tablet party March 2010.
I would rather they arrive later with a quality product than early with some hacked together hunk of crap.

Granted that doesn't mean what finally gets released won't be crap, but one can always hope they are actually taking the time to get it right.
If the preview build is any realistic view of things to come, I think many will be pleasantly surprised.
The hardware is another story.
 
Smartphone vs tablet vs laptop

The more productive combo is smartphone + laptop.

While smartphones go everywhere with us and is a mobile necessity, a tablet is an added accessory. Yes, it can do stuff than a smartphone and seems more practical at certain apps because of the bigger screen. And it is more portable than a laptop. But nobody has the time to carry their iPad 2 with a backpack while a smartphone can slip into our pocket and we are out the door in no time. Compare tablet to a laptop, and more people who want to be productive and have no time playing Angry Birds will pick the latter every single time. Laptops offer better value and specs in the longer run. They have longer life cycles than tablets for personal uses.

But compare manufacturing cost between smartphone vs tablet, and the tablet DOES COST MORE to make than phone. The iPad 2's production cost $325-$330 while iPhone 4 cost like $190. So anything below $300 is a bargain to me for a tablet since the manufacturer is likely generating selling the hardware at a loss.

Apple's best value and ironically is their most popular product is the iPhone. Since every smartphone comes with a data plan anyway, paying $49 for a 3GS or $199-$299 for the 4 upfront is no big deal. The subsidized cost helps it at the end.

I think their iPods and iPads have been notoriously overpriced. A nano for $149? When I say overpriced or overrated, it doesn't mean a bad thing. They are still great products. But let the iGeneration stop making this into Me, Me, Me and get back to the true value of what these devices can do. So stop overpaying.

We splurged on a war in Afghanistan and Iraq that cost trillions while Apple already has more in cash reserves than the U.S Government by selling overpriced stuff to millions of suckers. I like how Amazon wants to shift it back to being practical and affordable in these "hard times." Like not everybody can afford Bentleys or Louis Vuitton purses at this time anymore than NOT everybody can afford $500 tablets.

I expect Apple's response on Black Friday is a $100 off on iPad 2 refurbs or a free $100 iTunes card like they did for people who bought MacBooks last summer which sucked compared to getting a $230 iPod touch.
 
I would rather they arrive later with a quality product than early with some hacked together hunk of crap.

Granted that doesn't mean what finally gets released won't be crap, but one can always hope they are actually taking the time to get it right.
If the preview build is any realistic view of things to come, I think many will be pleasantly surprised.
The hardware is another story.

I have no doubt that a Samsung Windows 8 tablet will be amazing in October 2012, but that's 2.5 years too late to the party! Maybe Windows 8 tablets will make it big in business.
 
Smartphone vs tablet vs laptop

The more productive combo is smartphone + laptop.

Productive yes, but relaxing no. When I'm the couch or in bed I don't want to watch Netflix on a laptop. The iPad is perfect for that.
 
That's why 1 Infinite Loop are scared *****less about this device. It's designed to cut off Apple at the knees.

Yep, and the Windows 8 tablets will be targeted at a different niche in the market--productivity and power/business users. The Windows 8 tablets, as productivity devices, will cut off the iPad at the head on the high end. Why pay $500-$800 for an iPad that can't do half the things that a Windows 8 tablet will do for the same price?
 
I think it will do well.

Amazon has a store that is infinitely bigger than apple, ie, you can literally by stuff for the kitchen sink to books. I know in the states you can make a one off payment so you have free shipping for any orders, and now it has games, music and videos. Granted, if you're already in the apple eco system it may be difficult to switch, but as apple has mentioned before there are plenty of people that don't even sync their iphone to a pc/mac. Also, there is the question of the os. The fire is running on android, perhaps like the phones there will be a programme to get your itunes into the amazon music player? If so, then yes, we may have rival. And thats coming from an apple user that would like an ipad!
 
I have no doubt that a Samsung Windows 8 tablet will be amazing in October 2012, but that's 2.5 years too late to the party! Maybe Windows 8 tablets will make it big in business.
Define "late to the party".
The party didn't end and won't for a long time.
You assume no one will ever buy another tablet?

I as a consumer like having more choices.
I can buy and iPad today (actually did a few months ago) and I will replace it with something else later. Already looking. The iPad 2 is too limited for my needs.

Productive yes, but relaxing no. When I'm the couch or in bed I don't want to watch Netflix on a laptop. The iPad is perfect for that.
Why would I ever use my iPad for Netflix when I'm at home? On the road maybe.
I have a TV that streams Netflix, Amazon and a couple of other providers built in already.
 
First day of Spring Semester...

Teacher: Students, please open Keynote on your iPad...

Timmy: Screams and runs out of the room..

Principal: What is the matter Timmy? Your dad said you have a iPad...

Timmy: No, I have a Fire...

Principal: What is that?

Timmy: Amazon got playbook parts at fire sale prices and cobbled together a tablet.

Principal: I am sorry Timmy. Why did your dad buy this when everyone knows that iPad is THEE tablet to buy.

Timmy: My dad said it was the same thing.

Principal: Well, Timmy, your dad sucks.

Timmy: Sheepishly says, ya, I know.
 
Unless they are selling it in stores, it's not going to be a big competitor to the iPad. iPads are displayed in stores to be played with and people fall in love with them. If Amazon is only selling online, it's going to be more of a risk to buy one if you can't play with it first.

They are going to sell them in Best Buy and Staples. Amazon to use brick and mortar to sell tablet (Reuters)

If you are in the US go and check them out.

I live in Australia - sigh - so many of the services offered with the Fire will probably not be available - although the $199 price tag is still a nice price point for a tablet and Silk sounds good. They have just started selling the (now old) Kindles here in store. I already own one and I use it all the time.
 
First day of Spring Semester...

Teacher: Students, please open Keynote on your iPad...

Timmy: Screams and runs out of the room..

Principal: What is the matter Timmy? Your dad said you have a iPad...

Timmy: No, I have a Fire...

Principal: What is that?

Timmy: Amazon got playbook parts at fire sale prices and cobbled together a tablet.

Principal: I am sorry Timmy. Why did your dad buy this when everyone knows that iPad is THEE tablet to buy.

Timmy: My dad said it was the same thing.

Principal: Well, Timmy, your dad sucks.

Timmy: Sheepishly says, ya, I know.

I agree. Good laugh. Amazon is just like the Japanese auto makers in the 70's and 80's. Instead of creating, they simply take a good design, pull out what makes it attractive, and cheapen it up.

Just another knockoff in my book. At 7" it's not that much more useful than a 4.5" HTC phone.
 
First day of Spring Semester...

Teacher: Students, please open Keynote on your iPad...

Timmy: Screams and runs out of the room..

Principal: What is the matter Timmy? Your dad said you have a iPad...

Timmy: No, I have a Fire...

Principal: What is that?

Timmy: Amazon got playbook parts at fire sale prices and cobbled together a tablet.

Principal: I am sorry Timmy. Why did your dad buy this when everyone knows that iPad is THEE tablet to buy.

Timmy: My dad said it was the same thing.

Principal: Well, Timmy, your dad sucks.

Timmy: Sheepishly says, ya, I know.

Good point but I don't think it will go down like this. The KF is not a general purpose tablet. It is a tool for purchasing things from Amazon. I'm sure the press will make lots of comparisons but really the iPad and kindles are two different things. The iPad is a great tool for consuming content and creating content.

If I rewrote your story it would be something like this.

Timmy uses an iPad supplied by the school. The textbooks are supplied by Inkling. The cameras and sensors are used in science classes to record information and then software massages the data to make it comprehensible to people. Timmy can write reports on the iPad and either submit them to the teacher or hookup to a large monitor to present to the class.

Meanwhile, mom and dad have a KF they use to buy stuff on Amazon. Like an iPad for the home.

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPad-MC...RNKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317252457&sr=8-1
 
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Is this new Fire the same size as the current Kindle?

Hi, by current Kindle I guess you mean the one with a keyboard rather than the new ones :).

The fire is a little wider and a little thicker:

  • Kindle with Keyboard: 7.5" x 4.8"x 0.34" (8.5-8.7 oz)
  • Kindle Fire: 7.5" x 4.7"x 0.45" (14.6 oz)

The new Kindles are smaller but because they don't have a keyboard they have same size display. (Note the Fire has a 7", the Kindle new and old (except DX) have 6" - for a point of reference).

You can find more specs on the Amazon page
 
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Smartphone vs tablet vs laptop

The more productive combo is smartphone + laptop.

While smartphones go everywhere with us and is a mobile necessity, a tablet is an added accessory. Yes, it can do stuff than a smartphone and seems more practical at certain apps because of the bigger screen. And it is more portable than a laptop. But nobody has the time to carry their iPad 2 with a backpack while a smartphone can slip into our pocket and we are out the door in no time. Compare tablet to a laptop, and more people who want to be productive and have no time playing Angry Birds will pick the latter every single time. Laptops offer better value and specs in the longer run. They have longer life cycles than tablets for personal uses.

But compare manufacturing cost between smartphone vs tablet, and the tablet DOES COST MORE to make than phone. The iPad 2's production cost $325-$330 while iPhone 4 cost like $190. So anything below $300 is a bargain to me for a tablet since the manufacturer is likely generating selling the hardware at a loss.

Apple's best value and ironically is their most popular product is the iPhone. Since every smartphone comes with a data plan anyway, paying $49 for a 3GS or $199-$299 for the 4 upfront is no big deal. The subsidized cost helps it at the end.

I think their iPods and iPads have been notoriously overpriced. A nano for $149? When I say overpriced or overrated, it doesn't mean a bad thing. They are still great products. But let the iGeneration stop making this into Me, Me, Me and get back to the true value of what these devices can do. So stop overpaying.

We splurged on a war in Afghanistan and Iraq that cost trillions while Apple already has more in cash reserves than the U.S Government by selling overpriced stuff to millions of suckers. I like how Amazon wants to shift it back to being practical and affordable in these "hard times." Like not everybody can afford Bentleys or Louis Vuitton purses at this time anymore than NOT everybody can afford $500 tablets.

I expect Apple's response on Black Friday is a $100 off on iPad 2 refurbs or a free $100 iTunes card like they did for people who bought MacBooks last summer which sucked compared to getting a $230 iPod touch.

I'll disagree. I'm finding that I tend to leave the laptop at home and take the iPad with me. I can see that maybe a year from now I'll rarely take the laptop with me. I might even switch to an iMac.

The iPad is different and takes some getting used to. Our group is slowly learning how to do our jobs on the road with just the iPad.
 
First day of Spring Semester...

Teacher: Students, please open Keynote on your iPad...

Timmy: Screams and runs out of the room..

Principal: What is the matter Timmy? Your dad said you have a iPad...

Timmy: No, I have a Fire...

Principal: What is that?

Timmy: Amazon got playbook parts at fire sale prices and cobbled together a tablet.

Principal: I am sorry Timmy. Why did your dad buy this when everyone knows that iPad is THEE tablet to buy.

Timmy: My dad said it was the same thing.

Principal: Well, Timmy, your dad sucks.

Timmy: Sheepishly says, ya, I know.

Your desperate attempt to downplay this is pathetic. No college uses Keynote.
 
Would the Fire work well still if it was imported to the UK?
I think this is the first justifiable tablet here. At last. An accessory, not a bigger iPod Touch.
 
The fire will sell extremely well. When HP got out of the tablet market, they lowered their price to $99 and $199 for their two versions. They sold out all of their supply in a few days. And that's for an OS it won't even support anymore. The reason why all the other tablet makers are failing is that they are pricing their tablets equal or higher than an iPad. When it comes to equal prices, you go with the one that is a proven winner. When it costs $300+ less, you really think twice about what you really need a tablet for. If all you want to do is watch movies, email, read books, play games and use a few other low end apps, the Fire may be the answer. And 3G is not a big deal for most, because you have to get another data plan anyway. Cheaper to just get a wifi hotspot plan on a month by month basis. That's what i do with my iPhone. If I go on vacation, I go to verizon, sign up for the wifi hotspot, and when i get back, cancel it and pay a prorated amount.
 
When you look at this, you will ask yourself, how can Amazon afford to sell such a device at $199? The answer is, they can't. They make a loss of around $40 for each device sold. There are two reasons for this. One is that there is absolutely no way to match the $499 iPad 2 unless the price is half of it, because the iPad has already solidified its position as THE tablet to get. Another reason is that they will try to make money back from selling content. For starters, this device will only have access to Amazon's Appstore, and not the Android Market! Amazon will also offer Kindle books, magazines, music, movies etc. -- all stored via Amazon Cloud Storage.

Essentially, it's a tablet that also promotes all of Amazon's services, just like how the iPad also buys its content from the Apple Appstore, iTunes for music and movies, and iBooks - exempt the iPad 2 is twice as expensive (although having a larger display, more powerful processor, etc etc etc)

Companies like HTC, Samsung, Toshiba etc have all produced tablets. They have all failed. Why will Amazon be the first real competitor? Because they know how to punch the iPad where it hurts. None of these other companies have priced their tablets less than $499, and that itself is fundamentally flawed. The Fire is not only cheap, but it integrates well with the Amazon ecosystem, and will try to make money off content rather than the device itself.

The only real risk that Amazon faces is if people start installing CyanogenMod on their Fires and regain access to the Android Market and stop buying Amazon content. Then they'll be selling these guys at a loss and getting no returns. However, looking at the general intellect of the most Kindle users today, I don't think this will pose a major problem.

Any of you guys getting one? At $199, it's pretty tempting for sure.
 
Apple kicked off the whole Tablet revolution and right now lead the pack, but I wonder what their position will be in a few years.

People don't seem to quite realise that Apple are the ones who will soon need to innovate to stay in the game. Manufacturers like Samsung and HTC are putting out excellent devices that compete with Apple, but Microsoft and Amazon are ones to watch. Windows 8 got a lot of positive feedback because it's potentially the next step in the evolution of the tablet, and Amazon are pioneering Cloud computing and starting to integrate with devices.

But I digress, getting back to the Fire: Fear not Apple obsessives, I don't think this is the device to take out the iPad. It's more of a "Kindle+" then anything else. Something people might buy if they want the Kindle experience but want a little more substance to their device, yet don't want to fork out for a $400+ device.

It's all about options, now people have more of them...which is only a good thing no?
 
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iPad is also about gaming. This fire is nothing to do with gaming.

Why will the Kindle Fire not be decent for gaming? It is my understanding that it will run all the Android apps that are on Amazon's Appstore, and the selection of games is excellent already. I've downloaded plenty on our Galaxy Tab 7" and they run great. Are iOS games usually better than their Android versions? Yes. But it's not usually a night and day difference, and the selection is still very good for Android.

Not being able to access the Google Marketplace isn't the end of the world since Amazon's version of it is really growing. Plus I love that they give out a free app each day, and many of them are $3 or $4 apps normally.
 
This is about the third time you posted this dribble on this thread. You makes yourself look like a bigger fool every time.

Second. Maybe you need an iPad with a calculator app.:D:D:D:D:D
 
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