Are you this smug and self-righteous in real life aswell? In all your posts you're being condecending and behaving as if you know everything better than every one else. You don't
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Amazon's 'Kindle' App Updated to Remove Direct Kindle Store Links
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Are you this smug and self-righteous in real life aswell? In all your posts you're being condecending and behaving as if you know everything better than every one else. You don't
Dude what the hell are you seriously smoking? None of these companies try to maximize profit!!!! What the heck are you on, because I really want some of it make a person so blind to business. You have surely gone down to the bottom of the "I HATE APPLE BARREL" with this comment. I am hoping to god you are not serious. Have you seen the history of any of these company's?
I think everyone would agree that Apple isn't providing all of Amazon/Kindle's customer base. But you would have to admit that there are a countless number of people who don't own an actual kindle (I did a quick search for numbers, but wasn't successful) that are still purchasing e-books for use on their iPhone, iPad, and iPod. So it can certainly be said that it broadened their consumer base. The apps give those of us who didn't want to carry around another piece of tech to have the same benefits on the tech that we already own.
And, if Amazon didn't think the ecosystem that Apple delivered was profitable they would've pulled the App instead of complying. So it's obvious they see and understand the benefits of being in iOS. I don't understand why everyone is having a hard time understanding this.
Apple's margins speak for themselves but, so do the products.
Is it worth it? The computers and OS are, the other things not so much IMHO
While I do believe Apple does deserve something for opening up such a large database of users. I also am on the whole, well Apple needs users to buy there devices. My only issue with taking away links and other things for outside purchases is when does it stop? What other regulations will be in place in terms of links etc. later on?
My issue is that Apple needs customers to buy there devices. So if by making things more complicated for the "average" user they might deter from buying another iOS device. Don't get me wrong, I do think Apple should get something and it is there right to charge what they want. But to remove Safari links kinda has me in the middle. I completely agree with the they deserve money for In-App, purchases but am a little worried about links to Safari.
My only worry is how this will affect average users looking to buy a new phone. Because, many people love the iPhone and iPad do to the Applications, and design (not because it is Apple). I have many friends who still think Apple doesn't do right click which is just ignorant. So my problem is how will this affect the average phone/tablet buyer. And how will this affect MacApp Store etc. Because Apple relies on this platform to be healthy just like the developers and they both are needed to keep it healthily. And keep in mind I said average reading some of the App reviews alone tells me people don't even read on why there are changes. So my concern is with that.
But if the numbers don't reflect negatively then I guess Apple did this right
My issue is that Apple needs customers to buy there devices. So if by making things more complicated for the "average" user they might deter from buying another iOS device. Don't get me wrong, I do think Apple should get something and it is there right to charge what they want. But to remove Safari links kinda has me in the middle. I completely agree with the they deserve money for In-App, purchases but am a little worried about links to Safari.
My only worry is how this will affect average users looking to buy a new phone. Because, many people love the iPhone and iPad do to the Applications, and design (not because it is Apple). I have many friends who still think Apple doesn't do right click which is just ignorant. So my problem is how will this affect the average phone/tablet buyer. And how will this affect MacApp Store etc. Because Apple relies on this platform to be healthy just like the developers and they both are needed to keep it healthily. And keep in mind I said average reading some of the App reviews alone tells me people don't even read on why there are changes. So my concern is with that.
But if the numbers don't reflect negatively then I guess Apple did this right
Personally, the only thing that Apple makes that seems over priced are the Macs.... but as you state, they speak for themselves and are worth the extra money.
But the iPhone is in line with other smart phones... the iPad is definitely in line given others have struggled to keep the price down to Apple's price. As for Apps and content, it's all up to what you want to pay and Apple is not grossly out of whack with others.
So what else is there? It's great Apple can make great products and keep great margins. Obviously, other companies should learn something.
Are you talking about the subsided price or the unlocked price? An unlocked iPhone 4 costs about 20% more than a Samsung Galaxy S2.
1) Every person who downloads the Kindle iOS app is a customer Apple has given to Amazon. Of course they already have a customer base - some people already owned Kindles or had Kindle apps on their computer. But this app allowed a new way for them to purchase books aka a new revenue source. This also exposed new people to Kindle/Amazon. (If you can't see this, it's because you need to learn business. No malice intended.)
2) Apple wasn't making money off the Kindle purchases thru that iOS app. If you sell something in my store (be it digital or brick and mortar), shouldn't a get a cut? The business answer is yes. And all parties involved agree. Why because my company is now making money it didn't make before.
3) This is how all business is done. In ALL industries. If one party creates a new revenue stream for another party, the creator gets a cut. Read some business books. Ask some business people. Learn about it. It's very interesting.
Ack, Direct got me started!
Last edited:
Perhaps, before telling the others they don't know nothing, you can get the facts betters. Amazon wasn't selling NOTHING through the Kindle app.
So Apple pays a cut to Microsoft for any purchase made from iTunes on Windows, no?
What happens if i never update my kindle app....will i always be able to clock on the store button?
They are having a hard time understanding this because they don't understand business in general. I'm being called "condescending" but I'm not saying it to be mean.
It's the truth, while all these people are very interested in the tech industry they have not taken any business classes and don't understand how this industry or others work. They are also seem to lazy to do research or even ask some actual business people how and why it works this way. All the developers get it, and all the businesses involved get it, but these people just don't want to see why all businesses work this way.
It saddens me really. If they were my friends, colleagues or co-workers, I'd sit with them, and get other people to help me explain - just like the people who taught me. I feel it's important for people to learn and understand why and how things work. But on a forum, it's very difficult. People can just keep their minds closed. So much for social media helping the world.
And? They created a new revenue stream for Apple. Did Apple got more customers when they created Windows iTunes app? If so, according to infernoshade they deserve a cut.
This is Anti-Competition just based off the fact apples bookstore allows this functionality, and wont allow others without a paying. they just gained an advantage while causing a large barrier to entry. IMO i think Apple could have offered them to say either the app is free with 30% of book profits or the app has to cost something to offset their "infrastructure costs" where they get a piece of profit from them. but idk what will happen. it kinda sucks. but what ever wont hurt to go on amazons website.
Why does Apple deserve any compensation for this?
By this logic, buying things in Team Fortress 2 on the Mac would require Apple to get some compensation for providing the "userbase". This is ridiculous.
Must every device and OS maker now get paid for "providing a market" to software developers? Why it this lunacy even being considered?
Next thing you know, TV dinner makers will have to cut checks to Sharp, because they make microwaves that provide a market for microwavable food.
That may apply for some, but I personally already had a Kindle before I bought an iPad. The Kindle app for iPad is simply a convenience for me (i.e., gives me one more place to read my books), and Apple is not bringing any additional revenue to Amazon thru providing the "platform" (which I've already paid for, thank you very much).
I'm a big Apple supporter, but this particular action is stupid, self-serving, short-sighted and anti-customer - bad call.
Everyone knows Amazon is working on an HTML5 webapp... this is only temporary.
Honestly I don't see how its really fair ... iBooks has a direct link to its store page so why can't amazon?
This is apple using its monopoly position to shut others out on its platform. How is this any different from microsoft saying we want a 30% cut of everything that is sold while using the windows OS?? Its patently an noncompetitive practice and shame on apple for doing such. Apple just needs to focus on making good products and not bleeding dry however much it can take from their platforms.
Honestly I don't see how its really fair ... iBooks has a direct link to its store page so why can't amazon?
This is apple using its monopoly position to shut others out on its platform. How is this any different from microsoft saying we want a 30% cut of everything that is sold while using the windows OS?? Its patently an noncompetitive practice and shame on apple for doing such. Apple just needs to focus on making good products and not bleeding dry however much it can take from their platforms.
It doesn't matter.
Everyone knows Energizer batteries but if I stock them in my store you can be sure I am going to make some money on selling them.
Many people use the Kindle app that don't have the Kindle and don't have another eBook reader.
Apple is offering a platform on which Amazon can make money. In exchange for providing the vehicle through which they can make money Apple wants a cut.
Taking a cut of product sales is comparable to marking something up and making a profit. It is the same thing done in a different way.
If I develop a platform and am lucky enough to take advantage of Apple's market penetration I certainly would expect they would want to make some money off of it.
Amazon just doesn't want to give up any money.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_4 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8K2 Safari/6533.18.5)
I don't understand why amazon does not give it's nooks away for cost.
Oletros said:
I don't understand why amazon does not give it's nooks away for cost.
Your analogy is totally off base.
The analogy should be that Microsoft would take a cut of anything sold on their website. You can buy Amazon books from Safari just not through the app.
Amazon CAN have in app purchasing without issue but Apple should get a cut of that.
If Amazon sells something on their site even if its a third party seller they DO charge a fee. Its the same thing.
Why does Amazon charge fees and a percent of sales price when you sell things on their site?
Because they offer the visibility and in return you pay them.
This is the same thing but in this situation Amazon doesn't want to do the same thing.