I want to be clear that we're still in the beginning stages of our investigation. Some of what I've mentioned may end up being wrong; as soon as we know more, I will inform you.
It is going to be a long night.
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Ambrosia's iToner Updated to 1.0.2
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I want to be clear that we're still in the beginning stages of our investigation. Some of what I've mentioned may end up being wrong; as soon as we know more, I will inform you.
It is going to be a long night.
Andrew, absolutely the best luck to you. I will definitely be buying iToner if you guys get around this! I've got my fingers crossed that the iPhone dev team comes up with a way to do the same kind of thing.
And I agree about thumbs down to Apple for this. Phil Schiller can stick his silly old mullet up his rear! "Not going to try to stop 3rd party hackers," my foot! What a jackass.
If Apple really did head down the ugly road of only running signed apps ... then I will be rather pissed. Of course, there are really no 3rd party apps that I _need_. However, I don't enjoy being forced to use the default version of things. Apple, if you are reading this ... wake up, it will only force customers away.
Sad day, very sad day. I was really looking forward to this update. I am in a holding pattern for now until more info is available on this all.
Sad day, very sad day. I was really looking forward to this update. I am in a holding pattern for now until more info is available on this all.
I have updated, and my tones are still there, but I dare not try to change them as I have heard that this will make them disappear. Hopefully ambrosia can fix this before they disappear on me as the probably will do in a couple days. 
Already a paid member so definitely hope its fixed soon, for that and I hate the sound level of the built in ringtones. They need to be lauder.
Already a paid member so definitely hope its fixed soon, for that and I hate the sound level of the built in ringtones. They need to be lauder.
And if encryption is the method they are choosing to possibly solve security issues (buffer overflows) ...
Is that still bad?
iToner is the best app for the iPhone hands down. I used to think of Apple as the "good guys". Unfortunately it seems that Steve Jobs is trying to get ahead of Bill Gates as the computer world's biggest dick.
Much thanks to Ambrosia Software for their efforts. I am proud to have supported them by purchasing their products.
Much thanks to Ambrosia Software for their efforts. I am proud to have supported them by purchasing their products.
I dont know if this is the right place to post this, or if this is constructive to whats going on. I am still using iTunes 7.4.0 and I can still use the original hacking method of just changing the extension to .m4r to put ringtones on the phone. Or maybe I'm not, I cant tell. iTunes says its copying them, they show up in the list, but they dont play. The free space changes so it appears that they are being moved to the phone.
So what is the difference between a purchased ringtone and one you make yourself?
So what is the difference between a purchased ringtone and one you make yourself?
That's the million dollar question
Because the second you can figure that one out, is the second you can make all of your ringtones look like purchased ringtones and then the iPhone will never know the difference.
I have a gut feeling that since all Ringtones come from DRM'd iTunes Music, that there's DRM in the ringtone and that the iPhone will only play DRM'd ringtones. And until someone can come up with a way of reverse engineering and applying Apple's DRM at will....it's going to be a long time before we see custom ringtones.
BUT as soon as we hack this ringtone issue, Apple will be forced to respond by issuing yet another iTunes and Firmware update. And the only way they can get people to upgrade is if they add amazing features that people want. So as soon as Ambrosia is done upgrading iToner to 1.0.3 maybe we'll get right click support :-D
another paying itoner customer here. Hoping ambrosia and team can figure out once again how to get things working.
We'll eagerly be waiting... Best of luck.
We'll eagerly be waiting... Best of luck.
That's the million dollar question
Because the second you can figure that one out, is the second you can make all of your ringtones look like purchased ringtones and then the iPhone will never know the difference.
I have a gut feeling that since all Ringtones come from DRM'd iTunes Music, that there's DRM in the ringtone and that the iPhone will only play DRM'd ringtones. And until someone can come up with a way of reverse engineering and applying Apple's DRM at will....it's going to be a long time before we see custom ringtones.
BUT as soon as we hack this ringtone issue, Apple will be forced to respond by issuing yet another iTunes and Firmware update. And the only way they can get people to upgrade is if they add amazing features that people want. So as soon as Ambrosia is done upgrading iToner to 1.0.3 maybe we'll get right click support :-D
Well I'm kinda stuck because I cant buy a ringtone with 7.4.0 to see what the difference might be.
What I do know is that I CAN move ringtones to the phone with iTunes 7.4.0 and the original hack, they just dont play.
I can NOT even put ringtones on with iToner right now.
Find a copy of 7.4.1 and you'll have the best of both worlds. The ability to create custom ringtones, the ability to buy ringtones, the ability to ignore the 7.4.2 update and ignore the 1.1.1 firmware, until Ambrosia pulls through for us!
Then you're F'd and might as well upgrade to 7.4.2.3.5 or whatever we're up to at this point.
Any updates, Andrew?
I'm most interested in whether the encryption stuff turns out to be true, or perhaps not.. which would give many much more hope regarding 3rd party apps.
I'm most interested in whether the encryption stuff turns out to be true, or perhaps not.. which would give many much more hope regarding 3rd party apps.
Andrew- I dont know if this helps you at all, but I have ringtones working with 7.4.0 and 1.1.1
I used MakeiPhoneRingtone to put custom ringtones on with 7.4.0
good luck.....
UPDATE-
Ok the only way this works is to do this. First with 7.4.0 use the original method of renaming the ringtone and adding it to itunes.
It will show up under ringtones you can sync it to your phone. It will not play.
Now rename the original file back to .m4a and use MakeiPhoneRingTone. It will add it to iTunes again (there will be 2 in the list)
When you sync your phone again, you will only see the ringtone on your phone once but it will now play.
I used MakeiPhoneRingtone to put custom ringtones on with 7.4.0
good luck.....
UPDATE-
Ok the only way this works is to do this. First with 7.4.0 use the original method of renaming the ringtone and adding it to itunes.
It will show up under ringtones you can sync it to your phone. It will not play.
Now rename the original file back to .m4a and use MakeiPhoneRingTone. It will add it to iTunes again (there will be 2 in the list)
When you sync your phone again, you will only see the ringtone on your phone once but it will now play.
I hope they find a way to get this working again.
Custom ringtones really make this phone a lot more fun...
Custom ringtones really make this phone a lot more fun...
Ringtone that work vs those that do not
For what its worth, I have two custom ringtones that survived the firmware update, have not vanished from my ringtone menu on the iPhone and are selectable. I can send a copy of one that survived, one that died for someone to look at?
*shrug*
For what its worth, I have two custom ringtones that survived the firmware update, have not vanished from my ringtone menu on the iPhone and are selectable. I can send a copy of one that survived, one that died for someone to look at?
*shrug*
Wonder what's up with Andrew? He usually pops in and gives his input on the state of all things ringtones.
Mums the word which is obviously in this situation not an indicator of good things to come.
Mums the word which is obviously in this situation not an indicator of good things to come.
Wonder what's up with Andrew? He usually pops in and gives his input on the state of all things ringtones.
Mums the word which is obviously in this situation not an indicator of good things to come.
+1
Outlook not so good...
why a refund policy? We assumed a certain risk when we purchased this software. Why put it on andrew that it is his fault apple is making updates to thwart companies like his? I applaud his dedication and efforts to fix it, but if he cannot it should not rest on him to give a refund. Just my opinion though.
I agree. We want to encourage his/Ambrosia's innovation. It's hard to believe those who purchased iToner didn't get $15 worth of utility and enjoyment out of it. Considering the amount of research he [and company] went through on our behalf, without documentation or SDK, it would be in poor taste to request any refund. Just another 2 cents worth...