Well you weren't aware of it because there is no 470, 480 or 490 in this range that you've called RX in every post up to now and gone one about RX chipsets - hard to accept you've got something wrong?
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Well you weren't aware of it because there is no 470, 480 or 490 in this range that you've called RX in every post up to now and gone one about RX chipsets - hard to accept you've got something wrong?
Why is Woz not at Apple? It always seemed weird to me that he's such a huge fan of the company he helped found, yet he doesn't work there anymore. Seems weird. Almost like he was ousted by Jobs. But also, it's odd that he acts like a fan, standing in line and stuff.
Anything that relies on massively parallel number crunching. Video editing, photo editing, many popular software algorithms, image processing, scientific modelling and computing, games (especially AAA gaming and especially especially VR), 5K raw video playback will probably not be possible, rendering, compression... need I go on?
If it uses the GPU to a great extent, it'll be compromised. Simple as that.
I have literally not the faintest clue what you're talking about. Not a single person in this thread has suggested shoving a desktop GPU into a laptop. Laptops will always have a scaled variant of their desktop counterpart. The 460 Pro in the MBP is a variant of the RX 460. Mindlessly blathering on that someone is wrong by making claims regarding things they never said is really silly. What's being argued is their choice to put the lowest end AMD GPU possible into the product. They even took it a step further and they have a 450 variant that's half the power of the 460 at 1 Teraflop. If you want to ignore the issue and instead choose to focus on things that weren't even said be my guest. But I'm done responding to it. You're being silly.
Yeah ok mate - you never said anything about the 470, 480 and 490 that don't' even exist. That definitely didn't happen - you keep telling yourself that (perhaps delete the posts others have quoted pulling you up on it too for good measure)
Confused? Apple chose to put a variant of the budget low end AMD Polaris chip in their laptops that start at 2300 bucks.
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Yeah ok mate - you never said anything about the 470, 480 and 490 that don't' even exist. That definitely didn't happen - you keep telling yourself that (perhaps delete the posts others have quoted pulling you up on it too for good measure)
This is hopeless.
It's amusing having people talk about products that don't exist (mobile 470/480, etc), and there's no way Apple would ever make a 17" heavy laptop (and that's what you would realistically need for a 1080 mobile).
IMO what would be reasonable is to sacrifice some of that thinness/lightness and add in a 1060 mobile gpu, 32GB of RAM, and a SD card. I wouldn't mind magsafe sticking around as well, though I imagine there will be a magnetic USB-C style thing ala https://www.znaps.net we can pop in a port.
I can see where they are going with the USB-C direction - it'll be used docked most of the time and it gives you a lot of power / flexibility (and at least for me there's one device with a built in USB-A, the rest are just independent cables or adapters I'd have to get, no big deal). But in that case why not bump the RAM and GPU a bit? The headphone jack still being present feels a bit confused as well.
IMO what would be reasonable is to sacrifice some of that thinness/lightness and add in a 1060 mobile gpu, 32GB of RAM, and a SD card. I wouldn't mind magsafe sticking around as well, though I imagine there will be a magnetic USB-C style thing ala https://www.znaps.net we can pop in a port.
I can see where they are going with the USB-C direction - it'll be used docked most of the time and it gives you a lot of power / flexibility (and at least for me there's one device with a built in USB-A, the rest are just independent cables or adapters I'd have to get, no big deal). But in that case why not bump the RAM and GPU a bit? The headphone jack still being present feels a bit confused as well.
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...can you list some examples of high end AMD Polaris chips that Apple should've put in?
YES!! EXACTLY! This is what I wanted! That GPU has almost 2.5 times the compute performance of the 460 Pro, and the price is almost the same. It uses a little bit more power, but not that much. All combined with the rest of the system, it's rated 100 Watt, which is EXACTLY WHAT USB-C CAN SUPPLY!! It would've been absolutely perfect! And OK, the battery would've been 7 hours, down to 10. I'm OK with that.
This would easily have been possible at a similar thickness to what they had before, i.e. really portable, and Razer proved it just a few days earlier with their new Razer Blade, which is what I'll be getting instead, unfortunately.
I just wish, I desperately wish, that Apple would stop putting garbage GPU's in their laptops. I don't care about arguments that the red team needs some love! No they don't, their products are low end and consume too much power. That's fine for a low-end machine, but the MBP is precisely not that! Sorry guys, that's just reality. NVIDIA had the perfect solution here.
Did anyone actually complain about how thick the Macbook Pro 15 Retina was? I don't know who was driving that idea, I mean I'm pretty sure if you grabbed a panel of like 100 Macbook Pro 15 Users, and asked them about size, the idea of going thinner wouldn't even come up... or even weight for that matter. So if they made this thing thinner at the expense of leaving things out, I'm so against this idea... or limiting the types of GPUs they could have added, I'm already heated on the removal of all of these ports. But I guess they've ipadded it iphoned the Macbook Pro and this is what we have now.
I hope I'm not in the minority here but I think the majority of the Macbook Pro users were not Ipad Users, especially the 15 inch Pro versions. And that's essentially what has happened and it's actually really sad...
I hope I'm not in the minority here but I think the majority of the Macbook Pro users were not Ipad Users, especially the 15 inch Pro versions. And that's essentially what has happened and it's actually really sad...
Any variant of the 470 or 480. Apple chose to collaborate with AMD on the lowest performing GPU possible, the 460 ... which is a low end budget GPU. You can get the desktop version for 120 bucks. A 120 dollar GPU in a 2600 dollar machine. The 2300 dollar machine starts with an even worse GPU in the 450, which is half as powerful. It actually costs 200 dollars to upgrade to the 120 dollar 460. Apple uses a severely gimped PSU at 80 ish watts ... and the chassis limitations from their never ending pursuit of thinness has probably led to their complete inability to put anything better in their machines. It has become abundantly clear that putting any sort of decent GPU in their laptops is not ever going to happen. But this isn't just true for their laptops. It's also true for the iMac. They've made the iMac so thin that heat dissipation is terrible. They use mid-tier mobile GPUs even in the 5K iMac with no option to upgrade to anything more powerful.
If at this point nobody sees a problem with this, then I'm sorry ... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that people are okay with any of this really shows how deeply entrenched people are. People are defending a budget GPU in a super premium priced device like their life depends on it. It is not in any way logical.
Apple users are no longer 'power' users, they are sheep who blindly follow what is being fed to them. And Apple dictates the right product for that specific user. You see this within their devices you now see this within their Computers. It was only a matter of time, and that time is now, and it's actually sad, very sad.... You can't even plug in your Iphone 7 into this Macbook Pro, how absurd is that? And the headphone jack is removed from the Iphone 7 but exists on this Macbook Pro? Someone please explain this logic to me and how it works or makes sense... And please do it without sounding like a fanatic...
Can you provide some more information on the 460? It's my understanding they were literally just introduced yesterday.
Yeah, like I said he wouldn't want to do it. He goes into the reasons why he doesn't like the style in interviews, but I can't remember right now.
Actually, I would agree with you in that Apple's pursuit of thinness is compromising on many things like heat dissipation, battery life, and ability to add in a higher end GPU.
However, I would restrain from making any premature comments about performance of these 450-460 cards. Apple always have a way of optimizing things such that they squeeze much more potency from the GPU than any other manufacturer could.
But his argument also could be the reason why there is a huge lack in ports, which I think many Macbook pro 15 inch users have reason to be upset with. No Hdmi, no USB 2.0, no SD Card I've said this before I'll say it again because I still can't believe it but I can't even plug my Iphone 7 into this thing....
I have to say that Apple's never-ending pursuit of thinness is ridiculous. They are overly obsessed with it. "The new MBP is 2mm thinner!!, WOW" Like I give a rats ass about 2 or 3mm when you can't get a decent GPU in there. Perhaps only techie nerds think about these things, but this is called the Macbook PRO after all.
Apple has had some quality issues in different models of rMBP, but really great lasting machines if you buy the top end. My daily workhorse is a late 2008 MBP.