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why do you guys think this thing will sell out immediately? it's a $2249 GPU that won't even out-hash a 3080 which can be bought on ebay for about the same price.

this w6800 also doesn't even use a MPX module or anything like it. it seems to be using a blower cooler. this thing gonna make your silent mac pro sound like a jet engine
 
No such thing. You have to use windoze.
I rarely use Windows on my Windows Workstation, I mainly use the Applications I need, I don't keep looking at the Windows UI 24/7 admiring it.
Computer is just a Tool for me, I also don't moan about a screw driver being ugly as long it serves the job as it should.
 
Just in time for the Apple silicon machine rumored to be coming RSN. Bad timing? Proof that it will be supported on any new machine? Hmm...

So I am pretty sure the Mac Pro will be the last to transition To Apple Silicon.

It has to to support PCIE. Current has 8 slots. They may mean independent GPUs. Drivers are written for metal so may work.

It has to support crazy amount of ram 1.5tb+

I don’t see that with M1. I am sure they are working on a Pro M2+ or M Pro or something.

I have a Mac Pro and will be making money with it for the next 6-7 years so it’s not like it’s going to suddenly be useless. I suspect there Will be MPX cards too.

The mini pro version that people are talking about may well be a “Mac” - no mini, i, or Pro - but good old Mac! A cheaper exapandable option - I can’t see them getting 8 PCIE slots in A tiny case :)
 
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I rarely use Windows on my Windows Workstation, I mainly use the Applications I need, I don't keep looking at the Windows UI 24/7 admiring it.
Computer is just a Tool for me, I also don't moan about a screw driver being ugly as long it serves the job as it should.

And that’s how YOU work. Windows does nothing but slow down my productivity.

I have to swap between 5/6 Graphics apps at any one time. More in fact.

I rely on things like Preview and decent Thumbnails Which windows just doesn’t have.
And the File Coloums view.
Or customisable system wide shortcuts.
Spaces
Spotlight.
Working Wacom drivers.

Let alone the last time my windows machine did an update when I needed it ( 3ds MAX file export ) after 6 months not using it - it took a full 2 hours to do the updates!!!!

I’ll take any processing speed hit for a better UI - especially as most of my goes off to a render farm with 4000 GPUs - anything I have at home is a snail.

With your screwdriver Anology… Windows Screwdriver 3.11 has razor blades embedded in the handles.
 
Don’t think Apple would allow that.

They will have to. After the debacle of the 2013 Mac Pro. Not being able to up date a PRO machine is going to be the end of a lot of people‘s Apple journey.

AMD and Apple have a good relationship - sadly Nvidia doesn’t - so there is no reason why they can’t make that work. Any Pro machine now is going to HAVE to come with PCIE.
 
They will have to. After the debacle of the 2013 Mac Pro. Not being able to up date a PRO machine is going to be the end of a lot of people‘s Apple journey.

AMD and Apple have a good relationship - sadly Nvidia doesn’t - so there is no reason why they can’t make that work. Any Pro machine now is going to HAVE to come with PCIE.
@leman is reasonably certain that adding separate dGPU's to Mx wont happen as it breaks the Unified Memory programming model that Apple Silicon has.

I think they are right.
 
And that’s how YOU work. Windows does nothing but slow down my productivity.

I have to swap between 5/6 Graphics apps at any one time. More in fact.

I rely on things like Preview and decent Thumbnails Which windows just doesn’t have.
And the File Coloums view.
Or customisable system wide shortcuts.
Spaces
Spotlight.
Working Wacom drivers.

Let alone the last time my windows machine did an update when I needed it ( 3ds MAX file export ) after 6 months not using it - it took a full 2 hours to do the updates!!!!

I’ll take any processing speed hit for a better UI - especially as most of my goes off to a render farm with 4000 GPUs - anything I have at home is a snail.

With your screwdriver Anology… Windows Screwdriver 3.11 has razor blades embedded in the handles.
Working Wacom drivers?
My Wacom Cintiq 32" is working fine so far, so did my ex. Cintiq 24", and is my A4 Intuos on the other PC.
I use many Applications, even many resource hungry Applications at the same time, no prob.

Things like Total Commander (despite being ugly) will never exist for a macOS, it's a superb productivity booster for all kind of file operations. macOS File 🤣, it will never come near the level of productivity that Total Commander offers.

3DMax never liked it, but slow updates here is Autodesks fault not Windows.
Hmmm maybe it was your PC fault, there are good PCs and there are garbage PCs.
I always been a Softimage 3D,LW then XSI user, till Autodesk bought and killed it, but there is still Blender,Maya,Houdini,ZBrush.

You probably didn't need 3DSMax, specially if you take processing speed hit for "better" UI, that's why it was 6 months idling on your disk.

Once you have to render a few thousand frames during prototyping, or for final render, you'll scream for every second more can get.
 
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They will have to. After the debacle of the 2013 Mac Pro. Not being able to up date a PRO machine is going to be the end of a lot of people‘s Apple journey.

AMD and Apple have a good relationship - sadly Nvidia doesn’t - so there is no reason why they can’t make that work. Any Pro machine now is going to HAVE to come with PCIE.

Think bigger! Upgradebility does not necessarily means PCIe or third-party GPUs. Apple could offer a modular Mac Pro with MPX compute boards.
 
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So I am pretty sure the Mac Pro will be the last to transition To Apple Silicon.

It has to to support PCIE. Current has 8 slots. They may mean independent GPUs. Drivers are written for metal so may work.

It has to support crazy amount of ram 1.5tb+

I don’t see that with M1. I am sure they are working on a Pro M2+ or M Pro or something.

I have a Mac Pro and will be making money with it for the next 6-7 years so it’s not like it’s going to suddenly be useless. I suspect there Will be MPX cards too.

The mini pro version that people are talking about may well be a “Mac” - no mini, i, or Pro - but good old Mac! A cheaper exapandable option - I can’t see them getting 8 PCIE slots in A tiny case :)

Well, plus Apple's M chips thus far, while very, very impressive in terms of performance at any particular power-point, are no where *close* to the ultimate power of AMD or Intel based desktop machines with desktop GPUs. They just aren't even in the general ballpark. It's a totally different game. It may take Apple many years to equal that performance level, or maybe they never will, who knows at this point for sure?

As an example, my 2009 MacPro 4,1->5,1 with the 12-core 3.46Ghz upgrade in place and an AMD RX 580 8GB nets a Cinebench R23 CPU Multi Core of 8444 and a Geekbench Metal Score of 47855. That's a gently-massaged 12 year old desktop computer with a high-end desktop-class CPU (for the day) and mid-tier GPU configuration by today's standards. You wouldn't want it as a new machine for high-end gaming or anything like that, but even 12 years in it's faster than the new M1 iMac (which is also a *great* argument in favor of upgradability): The new M1 iMac Mid-Tier (so dual cooling fans) nets a Cinebench R23 CPU Multi Core of 7722 and a Geekbench Metal Score of 21525. Don't get me wrong, that's great performance for a low-power CPU with integrated GPU, but it's still slower than a mildly-upgraded 12-year old desktop. Only in single-core CPU tasks is it faster (not really a worry in *most* of today's computing tasks, but WOW those M chips sure are great at single-threaded workloads).

Now look at something like my VR gamerig which I'm currently rebuilding after a typical PC 4-year motherboard lifecycle failure (and that wasn't a budget board or anything, a mid-tier gaming board! Why *can't* PC makers build for longevity at any reasonable price-range?) AMD 5900X and (luckily I already own one) 2080 Super. The Cinebench CPU Multi Core Score for the 5900X is 22046. I can't give you a Metal score for the 2080, but in gaming benchmarks it typically scores better than double the frame-rates of the RX 580, but let's just call it 2.1X, which would equate to a Metal score of right around 100,000. And that CPU is not close to the fastest possible for professional workloads (I believe that is currently still the AMD Threadripper 3990X with a Multi Core Score of 75,671!!!), it's just the best bang for the buck in terms of gaming CPUs right now. The GPU is also an entire gen old at this point (but effectively impossible to upgraded, even if I wished to do so, due to zero availability of new GPUs).

So before Apple can build true PRO level Desktop Class machines they need to see massive performance improvements in their M chips. Until then I think they will almost have to stick to Intel (or AMD, not that this is likely to happen) and discrete graphics for their pro desktop lineups. In the end that's good news for all Mac owners using Intel, as the longer Apple continues to build even a single Intel based model the longer the OS and App developers will also continue to support them.
 
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You haven't seen the M1 vs Intel I9 on a iMac have you? Enjoy!

Better to just build a Threadripper hackintosh if going through all the trouble of disassembling an iMac to upgrade it with puny i9-9900.

 
Well, plus Apple's M chips thus far, while very, very impressive in terms of performance at any particular power-point, are no where *close* to the ultimate power of AMD or Intel based desktop machines with desktop GPUs. They just aren't even in the general ballpark. It's a totally different game. It may take Apple many years to equal that performance level, or maybe they never will, who knows at this point for sure?

As an example, my 2009 MacPro 4,1->5,1 with the 12-core 3.46Ghz upgrade in place and an AMD RX 580 8GB nets a Cinebench R23 CPU Multi Core of 8444 and a Geekbench Metal Score of 47855. That's a gently-massaged 12 year old desktop computer with a hight-end desktop-class CPU (for the day) and mid-tier GPU configuration by today's standards. You wouldn't want it as a new machine for high-end gaming or anything like that, but even 12 years in it's faster than the new M1 iMac (which is also a *great* argument in favor of upgradability): The new M1 iMac Mid-Tier (so dual cooling fans) nets a Cinebench R23 CPU Multi Core of 7722 and a Geekbench Metal Score of 21525. Don't get me wrong, that's great performance for a low-power CPU with integrated GPU, but it's still slower than a mildly-upgraded 12-year old desktop. Only in single-core CPU tasks is it faster (not really a worry in *most* of today's computing tasks, but WOW those M chips sure are great at single-threaded workloads).

Now look at something like my VR gamerig which I'm currently rebuilding after a typical PC 4-year motherboard lifecycle failure (and that wasn't a budget board or anything, a mid-tier gaming board! Why *can't* PC makers build for longevity at any reasonable price-range?) AMD 5900X and (luckily I already own one) 2080 Super. The Cinebench CPU Multi Core Score for the 5900X is 22046. I can't give you a Metal score for the 2080, but in gaming benchmarks it typically scores better than double the frame-rates of the RX 580, but let's just call it 2.1X, which would equate to a Metal score of right around 100,000. And that CPU is not close to the fastest possible for professional workloads (I believe that is currently still the AMD Threadripper 3990X with a Multi Core Score of 75,671!!!), it's just the best bang for the buck in terms of gaming CPUs right now. The GPU is also an entire gen old at this point (but effectively impossible to upgraded, even if I wished to do so, due to zero availability of new GPUs).

So before Apple can build true PRO level Desktop Class machines they need to see massive performance improvements in their M chips. Until then I think they will almost have to stick to Intel (or AMD, not that this is likely to happen) and discrete graphics for their pro desktop lineups. In the end that's good news for all Mac owners using Intel, as the longer Apple continues to build even a single Intel based model the longer the OS and App developers will also continue to support them.
I have a M1 Macbook, and the only reason I like it, it's because of its nice battery life time doing "normal" stuff.
But I don't tend to fool myself into an illusion of Apples ARM killing AMD(CPU/GFX);NVIDIA GFX;Intel(CPU), the Intel GPU sucks.

I see the M1 as a more advanced iPad, a LapPad, but without Touch :D
 
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:D

I also want to see a M1 killing Intel running something like RealFlow


Interesting video. I've been thinking of upgrading the iMac Pro I have. Not looking forward to it, but popping the horsepower would be nice. It's already got tons of ram.
 
They will have to. After the debacle of the 2013 Mac Pro. Not being able to up date a PRO machine is going to be the end of a lot of people‘s Apple journey.

AMD and Apple have a good relationship - sadly Nvidia doesn’t - so there is no reason why they can’t make that work. Any Pro machine now is going to HAVE to come with PCIE.
Have to? This is Apple we're talking about. If they could get away with supporting a machine for one year before EOL they would do it. I could easily see them never upgrading the current Mac Pro, keeping it in the store for the same price, then dropping support for an m series machine that is far lesser in terms of upgradeability.
 
They will have to. After the debacle of the 2013 Mac Pro. Not being able to up date a PRO machine is going to be the end of a lot of people‘s Apple journey.

AMD and Apple have a good relationship - sadly Nvidia doesn’t - so there is no reason why they can’t make that work. Any Pro machine now is going to HAVE to come with PCIE.
And RAM slots hopefully.
 
This card not compatible with the 2013 Mac Pro.
Actually it is if you put it in a eGPU enclosure and use a TB2 to TB3 adapter.

Also, in case anyone is wondering it appears the W6800 (Navi 21) is compatible with macOS 11.4+, but the W6600 (Navi 23) is not yet supported. A W6800X for the updated Intel-based Mac Pro is probably forthcoming.
 
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