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Um, Toyota doesn't currently produce any pure electric cars. They (and the Japanese government) bet on hydrogen, and lost.
They've sold the Izoa (electric ch-r) in China since earlier this year.

The ability to make a current model, full electric, shouldn't be discounted.

They also plan to release their solid state battery for ev's, this coming year.
Smaller, longer range, shorter charge time.

They haven't lost yet, besides, hybrid sales are up and the EV market is still in its infancy.
 
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Teletransportation would be even better...seriously, Though you make good points I suspect Apple will be more focused in expanding their portfolio with devices that don’t need such colossal investments in production facilities as car manufacturing, unless a partnership ( not really Apple way of doing things) is on the works.
One more thing... the pandemic has showed how the need of physical presence can be diminished in some cases, sometimes with better results;) and has uncovered for some, the high potential of VR, in which, I believe Apple is really investing Heavily.
I cant think in “apple shared cars” as is not the apple’s way, too many problems in that model...
But yes, the think is, would apple be tesla deirect competitor? O would make the “rockr” with any car manufacturer? I doubly the second as apple has left every partnership in his history.

only way to make a great device is controlling hardware and software. Now, car driving hardware involves car and pavement. Maps must be perfects, but also laws, streets and roads must be ready.
 
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Makers of the battery pollution argument, which I think is BS since only "climate change = hoax" people point to it, also ignore the pollution caused by drilling, transporting, and refining oil into gasoline.
Don’t get me wrong, though there are plenty immediate and obvious benefits in EV, specially in the urgently needed reduction of emissions, as they get massive adoption, batteries disposal/recycling management will also raise environmental challenges on their one, as well as massive production.
 
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Not sure why Apple needs to get into the car business, when there's a million other tech items to develop with obvious Apple implications. In particular, HomeKit and HealthKit devices. Or a printer. Or camera. Or servers/networking equipment. Hell, why not homes or airplanes or handbags or anything in the universe of products.

Apple needs to do a lot better than what companies like Toyota will eventually produce, which is an extremely high bar.
When Im agree with you about apple in homekit and so, those are very un development areas.

cars are avery stablished products with long past and future and a universal adoption. Cars are for communication as important as smartphones. Controlling bulbs or making prints is something quite small, lot of competion with no real benefits even if you arr the one who produces 80% global market. 80% global market in smartphones or cars means the biggest company in the universe :p

and though until some years ago it was pure hardware, hardware evolution is only possible with tight software integration, here is where the whole planet is going to take advantage when apple and google shows their products.

Eventually, every hardware needs a OS.

and Windows licensing model apllied to cars would means lot of failures (and in car bussines, failures means deads)

only way to make a safe car is building it yourself.

in a car accident by a toyota’s car with apple’s software, who is going to be blamed?
 
Competition is a good thing quite honestly.

Its also interesting as there are many skills required for success here such as technology along with manufacturing. Existing car companies may not be good at tech, but they have large manufacturing capabilities and existing "footprints" in the market. I guess time will tell.
What? Seriously? Not good at tech? Car tech standards and requirements are MUCH higher than your "everyday tech gadget standards". Have you even seen all the tech features the new S-class has? You havent, otherwise you wouldnt write that
 
What? Seriously? Not good at tech? Car tech standards and requirements are MUCH higher than your "everyday tech gadget standards". Have you even seen all the tech features the new S-class has? You havent, otherwise you wouldnt write that
They're not good at any kind of tech that doesn't involve keeping the car working, which originally meant the entertainment systems but now means more. And if you're talking about Mercedes, they're not good at that keeping the car working either, unless they've turned a new leaf in 2020.
 
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They're not good at any kind of tech that doesn't involve keeping the car working, which originally meant the entertainment systems but now means more. And if you're talking about Mercedes, they're not good at that keeping the car working either, unless they've turned a new leaf in 2020.
But if Auto business is going to be ruled by Tech companies, It won’t matter anyway; everything will be soldered into one chip, and when it defaults, just put a new one at cost of 2/3 of original purchase price...
 
When Im agree with you about apple in homekit and so, those are very un development areas.

cars are avery stablished products with long past and future and a universal adoption. Cars are for communication as important as smartphones. Controlling bulbs or making prints is something quite small, lot of competion with no real benefits even if you arr the one who produces 80% global market. 80% global market in smartphones or cars means the biggest company in the universe :p

and though until some years ago it was pure hardware, hardware evolution is only possible with tight software integration, here is where the whole planet is going to take advantage when apple and google shows their products.

Eventually, every hardware needs a OS.

and Windows licensing model apllied to cars would means lot of failures (and in car bussines, failures means deads)

only way to make a safe car is building it yourself.

in a car accident by a toyota’s car with apple’s software, who is going to be blamed?
I get your points, but wouldn’t it be simpler getting to 80% share of smartphones?
Auto business seems to me too risky, much more sensitive to economic fluctuations than the technological.
Being already so “embedded” in Apple’s ecosystem, this would start to look a lot like 1984 to me...
 
But if Auto business is going to be ruled by Tech companies, It won’t matter anyway; everything will be soldered into one chip, and when it defaults, just put a new one at cost of 2/3 of original purchase price...
That's already how auto electronics are. They make even Apple products look easy to self-service, hardware-wise. People sell their cars entirely if the electronics act up too much. European luxury autos often depreciate in value rapidly because of that.

For software, at least we always have a decent idea of what a Mac is doing. All you get in a car is what the OBD-II port tells you, which isn't a whole lot if you don't have a specialized $1000+ scanner.
 
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Says the company that cheated on emissions tests for years.

Volkswagen should have been completely dismantled for that stunt. Disgusting company.

For diesel emissions cheating you're going to have to dismantle a lot of companies.

Caterpillar, Chrysler, Cummins, Fiat, Ford, GM, Honda, Jeep, Mack, Mercedes, Navistar, Nissan, Renault, Toyota, Volvo, and yes, VW.
 
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As a car enthusiast I've looked long and hard at electric cars, did some research and actually have driven a Tesla Model S. My personal conclusion - FU Mr Musk. You are ruining cars with your trash gadgets you call cars. They (much like you) have precisely 0 soul. They're appliances and once the government prohibits people from driving, they'll be dangerous ones too since they'll have full control over you. Only reason I'd buy a Tesla now is to beat it into a bloody pulp and see how much damage it can take.

As for the environment, there are tons of scenarios where electric cars are actually worse. Their lack of emissions is lovely but since making them produces much more harm to the environment than the equivalent gasoline car they only make sense in scenarios where they get lots of miles. But let's say your bought a shiny new Tesla junkmobile and crashed it the following day into total - bammm! You just polluted a lot more than if you bought some Mercedes. But EV fanbois never want to admit that or listen to it.
 
What? Seriously? Not good at tech? Car tech standards and requirements are MUCH higher than your "everyday tech gadget standards". Have you even seen all the tech features the new S-class has? You havent, otherwise you wouldnt write that
By tech I am mostly talking in the realm of computer software. Just look at a gps, the software it uses makes all the difference. The same can be said about cars and their infotainment screens, safety features, and eventually self driving.

For example, Ford will not create better software than Microsoft. Hence many times, they have to buy it or form a partnership.
 
There is no way a company with profit margins and a brand name like Apple will target the same market that VW, Toyota, Ford or even Tesla goes after. The one thing Apple enjoys that those other companies don't is the ability to grossly overprice a product and still have it sell amazingly well.

They could easily put $100k on an Apple car and those things will be backordered for years selling in the hundreds of thousands. Apple customers are generally pretty loaded and I think many would lay down the cash to get an Apple car even if only for the brand name. Those other automakers will probably still have a decent market selling to lower income individuals, but will never have a profit margin like Apple will.

Now will it all work? I am still pretty doubtful, but I have seen $550 headphones back ordered for months so who knows...
$550 and 100k are two very different price points. Easy to put headphones on a credit card (if they don't have the cash) compared to getting a loan for a car in that range.
 
I highly doubt the U.S. or E.U. will allow the likes of Apple or Google to purchase an established car manufacturer, they’re already being scrutinized for being too big. The age of large mergers and acquisitions in tech is over.

How would they stop it? By definition it’s not anticompetitive -the same number of competitors before and after such a purchase, and the argument that “apple is too competitive” only provides a reason for the government to allow it - to provide more competition.

That said, won’t happen.
 
So why do they all need to Respond to rumours. if they are not afraid of Apple? I think they all know Apple will iPod the premium electric car market. And they will be left to sell the other "Cars" in non premium section. Sort of like the cheap Android phones in the Android market.
 
They've sold the Izoa (electric ch-r) in China since earlier this year.

The ability to make a current model, full electric, shouldn't be discounted.

They also plan to release their solid state battery for ev's, this coming year.
Smaller, longer range, shorter charge time.

They haven't lost yet, besides, hybrid sales are up and the EV market is still in its infancy.
Solid state batteries have been a hail mary for legacy OEMs for years now, and they've produced zip. Prototype batteries are easy to do. Scaling up SS batteries to make hundreds of thousands per year is very hard, and to date, unsuccessful.
 
Solid state batteries have been a hail mary for legacy OEMs for years now, and they've produced zip. Prototype batteries are easy to do. Scaling up SS batteries to make hundreds of thousands per year is very hard, and to date, unsuccessful.
Well, I'm inclined to believe Toyota.

You said they don't even produce an electric car, but they do, so..
 
Well, I'm inclined to believe Toyota.

You said they don't even produce an electric car, but they do, so..

It's a Chinese-only EV. And Toyota couldn't even sell 2000 of them as of October 2020 (sales began in April), in the most EV-friendly market in the world. It's an ICE platform with a shoehorned EV drivetrain, and not a meaningful EV in any sense of the word.

Toyota's stated goal is for 1 million battery-electric and hydrogen fuel cell car sales by 2030. Tesla will be selling ~15M+ EVs/year by then. With the way governments are banning ICE new cars, Toyota is in serious trouble.
 
How would they stop it? By definition it’s not anticompetitive -the same number of competitors before and after such a purchase, and the argument that “apple is too competitive” only provides a reason for the government to allow it - to provide more competition.

That said, won’t happen.
How would they stop it? By definition it’s not anticompetitive -the same number of competitors before and after such a purchase, and the argument that “apple is too competitive” only provides a reason for the government to allow it - to provide more competition.

That said, won’t happen.
No, your math is off. Apple as car manufacturer + established car manufacturer remaining independent = 2, net positive 1 manufacturer (Apple). If Apple purchased an established company, that’s a net 0. It also means letting a company that is already under scrutiny for being too big and anti-competitive grow even larger and enter a new industry through a purchase, not going to happen in today’s political climate.*

*Im not debating the merits of such scrutiny, just stating what the political climate is. If anyone wants to debate whether Apple is anti-competitive, too big, or whatever, do it with someone else.
 
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