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Amid Apple Car Rumors, Volkswagen CEO Welcomes Competitors to Accelerate Transformation of the Auto Industry
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This sounds like the motorolla rockr and has no sense. Offering a service in a third party hardware is apple (and now everyone but not many can do..) have proven is wrong.
only way to make a great product/ service is controlling everything.
You need high quality sensors and hardware to inplement your solutions
Yeah, Forbes..., a well known expertise electricity production journalism. I can find you tons of recent studies contradicting that one. In fact a massive proportion of scientific studies contradict that Nature one. Producing car batteries is WAY more polluting than producing a whole compact automobile.Agree. Lucid is a high-end car that aligns well with Apple's premium brand.
That nonsense has long been debunked. Modern long-range EVs are cleaner fossil fuel cars.
Yes, Electric Cars Are Cleaner, Even When The Power Comes From Coal
One argument that has been made against electric vehicles is that we must decarbonise the power system first otherwise cars are no cleaner than if they use gasoline. But a new study suggests that EVs help to tackle climate change in all but the most coal-reliant countries - 95% of markets globally.www.forbes.com
Specialization....
Tesla didn’t build a car for “everyone” for a decade. ( It is arguable if they even do now.).
It will be interesting to see if an “apple car” will assume the potential owner must already fully be part of the apple lifestyle service integration that you clearly highlight.
It’s probably a wash in the long term once you factor in oil spills, refineries, exploration and exploitation operations etc. Not to mention blood spilled for oil.
Now our grandchildren will be able to watch wars fought for lithium and rare earth resources streaming live on their iPhone 40 Pro! That’s progress!
I love gas cars myself but will likely be buying a Tesla model 3 performance model in another year or two depending on if I can commute to the office instead of remote work again soon (prefer office location). If I remain remote, it will be a lightly used Lexus GS-F (sweeeeeet 5.0L V8, don’t emissions-shame me)
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You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. A conspiracy is not proof, and no, I will not study a subject that is irrelevant to your claim when you can’t even back it up. Whether or not the American car manufacturing industry is an oligopoly is irrelevant to your claim that every manufacturer cheats on emissions tests (they dont). Prove your claim.
In less than 1 year VW has ...
Porsche Taycan launched 4 models on the road in 3 continents,
Audi has 2 electric vehicles a Mid-sized SUV and upcoming diluted Porsche Taycan S in the ETron GT!
VW has beaten Tesla to a low economy sized hatchback!
VW has competition of Tesla's tumultous model Y.
There is a reason for Auto-Union (VW, Porsche & Audi). Watch out people big things to come in electric.
PS: If they can only just synthesize accurately ICE cars of the past. I recall Porsche in the 90's had implemented tuning sounds of their 911 which receive a LOT of hate.
Exactly, and his reply to you still didn’t have a single source of verifiable proof 😂
Defeat device - Wikipedia
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primary sources are linked in cited footnotes.
That was because their buyers didn’t know what an air cooled flat 6 should sound like.🤣
That article doesn’t prove your claims.Defeat device - Wikipedia
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Second time posting this.
primary sources are linked in cited footnotes.
Prove to me that every manufacturer is currently using a defeat decide and VW was the only entity to be caught.
You want me to prove that all besides VW are currently cheating?
That is like asking me to prove that all of your “smart” electronics are currently spying on you before you believe that any are.
My argument was that there are no inherently good actors in a market described under industrial organization if there is one bad one. I.e if the android is spying on their users, apple is too. These are base assumptions of game theory and industrial organization within economic fields.
Evidence was provided (minimal, but enough to show no “good” players) that the other market players have a history of willingness to collude, cheat,or corrupt. The specific method doesn’t really matter, so no need to argue that what VW was doing was somehow “different” or more evil.
VW’s cheating to get a relatively tiny amount of diesel cars on the market remains a manufactured issue to me (especially considering that marginally Increasing access to small diesels outweighs the added environmental damage offset by the cheating)
No, that wasn’t your argument. Your argument was that all the companies are doing it and VW was the only one to be caught. So yes, that is what you need to prove because that was your claim.
Now that you’ve been asked to prove your claim, and you can’t because it was made up with no factual basis, you are moving goal posts and claiming an argument that you never originally claimed.
Your smart electronics comment is simply a straw man with no relevance to the discussion.
In the end we can all conclude that you made up a claim that has no factual basis.
In the 1970s, a few automakers were found guilty of cheating but never conceded it. GM was caught cheating more blatantly in the 1990s. They finally went bankrupt around 2008, later than they should have after decades of producing junk. We're talking about now, that's 2.5 decades ago.
VW was violating EU and US emissions standards alike. Sure maybe there's lobbying behind the US NOx limits, which I feel for because that's how I perceive GDPR. But they were violating US's by 40X and EU's by 13X*, which I don't see as "not that bad." That doesn't tell me they're evading protectionism, it tells me they've fallen behind and can't compete fairly anymore here or elsewhere. Somehow none of the other automakers have this problem.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Underlying_U.S._and_EU_emission_standards
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Other automakers in a losing position would maybe also cheat to get ahead, but they aren't in that position because they're competent. The game theory can tell you what things will tend towards on average but not such exact or short-term behavior. You might've bought a Suzuki car in the early 2000s, thinking the market has dictated it as good a car as any, then saw them pull out of the US and leave you with a worthless car. Sometimes certain competitors just suck.
Surprisingly, a company can even have morals. Google went carbon-neutral years ago, including in their datacenters. Apple is also investing heavily in renewable energy. Sure it helps with PR, but not enough to matter. AWS is inefficient and doesn't care, just publishes generic bs saying they're green, and dominates in cloud. Google also went back on what were essentially military contracts, allowing competitors to snap them up, because too many of their employees were morally opposed. Tesla gave away all their patents for free. There's no financial reason for it.
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Just follow the patents. They're not developing electric bikes. They're developing EV Vehicles.
VW isn't concerned nor should they be. Porsche EV lines are mature, delivering and new models soon to arrive. Audi, VW both, including other lesser brands exclusive to Europe and else where. VW, Mercedes, Rivian, Lucid, Volvo and more are all deeply invested in EVs.
Those that aren't won't survive.
VW isn't concerned nor should they be. Porsche EV lines are mature, delivering and new models soon to arrive. Audi, VW both, including other lesser brands exclusive to Europe and else where. VW, Mercedes, Rivian, Lucid, Volvo and more are all deeply invested in EVs.
Those that aren't won't survive.
Sorry, you have to provide a source for that assertion (it's all disinformation and poorly run studies with out of date assumptions). Batteries unlock much more efficient energy use to push cars than ICE. It's just physics. EV drivetrains convert >80% of stored energy into motion, gas cars about 30%. And I charge my Tesla on weekend mornings when solar+wind accounts for more than 50% of my grid generation. EVs are far cleaner than gas cars. Period.
And the carbon footprint of Tesla batteries is about to dramatically drop. Their new dry battery electrode (DBE) tech coming this summer eliminates the drying ovens used to bake out excess liquid from the electrolyte. That results in significant reduction of energy used to create their cells.
I like these takes a lot.
Curious to see what’s gonna be years down the line.
I concur with the car usage situation, I’m a car guy, yet where I live I only use them in summer for a few weeks at a time. Walking, bike, bus or metro 99.99% of the time. Cheaper and no winter craze hassle (here winter tires are mandatory, it gets bad).
I doubt that Apple needs any investors money to realize any project big or small. Apple is sitting on a pile of cash so big that it could easily buy several car manufacturing facilities from existing car brands and the impact on its balance sheet would be merely symbolic. This is not the case with Tesla which needs the hype and the investor's money to screw each single bolt. The question is how far ahead is Apple in terms of developing a prototype and how fast it can ramp up production of a completely new product of such a big scale as a car. Even if the money is not the problem here, the logistics and technical challenges in putting together a manufacturing line with any meaningful output of vehicles is ENORMOUS. And if you put into the equation the fact that Apple is examining each small detail many many times, I doubt that we can see real Apple Car on the stage of Steve Jobs theater before 2024 at the earliest.
Apple has obviously had discussions with many suppliers in the industry as well as existing car manufacturers. The information is leaking from everywhere. Magna International is one of biggest manufacturers of car trims in the world, including doors, cockpits, lighting, seats and other internal elements. Many brands work with Magna and if there was a meeting with Apple, the rumors would echo throughout the whole industry but these are merely speculations.
My prediction: Apple initially wanted to make a car to compete with Tesla, but they saw this was very very challenging mission, so they decided to focus on software development instead that can be licensed to existing car manufacturers. Apple currently has a nice software for autonomous driving vehicles and is trying to sell it to existing car manufacturers in exchange for royalty. Many brands have already denied Apple proposition so, Apple is now wondering what to do with this software and whether it makes sense to go back to the initial plan to develop a whole vehicle.
I certainly agree with the sentiment, and I don’t particularly care for him at all, but I think you’re selling him a little short. Musk is no more a mere investor than Jobs was. Neither actually invented and created anything by themselves, but both had visions of products that didn’t exist yet, knew there’d be a demand for them, assembled people who could realize their visions, and had the leadership and charisma to see it through. That’s more than just investing.