Amid Sapphire iPhone 6 Rumors, Kyocera Announces Plans for New Smartphone With Sapphire Display

[newyorksole]

It doesn't exist outside of Apple so how can it be copied?

Uuuummm you do realize the same factory that makes Apple's phones also makes other devices right ?

You do realize that thousands of people are involved with the production of the iPhone right ? Months and months before it comes out, right ?

And you also realize that information leaks and parts leak, right ?

It's really annoying that people think something "doesn't exist" because it hasn't been announced . Please .

 

[Aluminum213]

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It's a sapphire display.

Ignore it if you want.

Thanks for the useless response

 

[Tech198]

This is the end of case manufactures..

I'm sure they will live by non-iPhone 6 owners.

(you know, if you rub two sapphire iPhone's together, you'll start a fire too.)
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Tough as nails, but just like the before, this is all good during testing.... Works like a charm, come away not hurt..

But who would do all this in reality, apart from doing test drops...

It good. its not saying it isn't, but how much protection really... Are we going over-board here ?

Since no one will attempt this scratching with a rock just because "i got nothing better to do"

Proof, otherwise. and ya, we've seen that. so now what ? will we see the next one resistant to fire ? when not all of us work in the fire-deparment., thus some in harsh environments will see the benefit, which the rest of us, very little

Of course, if we all took care of out our phones to begin with, none of this would be needed.

 

[69Mustang]

Uuuummm you do realize the same factory that makes Apple's phones also makes other devices right ?

You do realize that thousands of people are involved with the production of the iPhone right ? Months and months before it comes out, right ?

And you also realize that information leaks and parts leak, right ?

It's really annoying that people think something "doesn't exist" because it hasn't been announced . Please .

Ummm, do you realize Apple's sapphire comes from GT Advance? The same GT Advance that is exclusively supplying Apple.

Do you also realize that no matter how many people are involved in the production of the iPhone it has nothing to do with copying? No one on a production line can look at GT Advance's sapphire and copy it.

Let's take your argument and say a panel leaked. What the heck is some other company going to do with it? Re-cut it to fit their phone? Analyze the crystalline structure and figure out how it was manufactured (the answer is no before you let that thought sink in)? It just makes no sense.

You wanna know what's really, really annoying? Reading a quote that has no information in it to support the poster's argument.

 

[newyorksole]

Ummm, do you realize Apple's sapphire comes from GT Advance? The same GT Advance that is exclusively supplying Apple.

Do you also realize that no matter how many people are involved in the production of the iPhone it has nothing to do with copying? No one on a production line can look at GT Advance's sapphire and copy it.

Let's take your argument and say a panel leaked. What the heck is some other company going to do with it? Re-cut it to fit their phone? Analyze the crystalline structure and figure out how it was manufactured (the answer is no before you let that thought sink in)? It just makes no sense.

You wanna know what's really, really annoying? Reading a quote that has no information in it to support the poster's argument.

Obviously they didn't "Copy" Apple . I guess a better term would be that these companies were STRONGLY INFLUENCED .

Of course they can't copy Apple EXACTLY, feature for feature and look for look, but they're gonna try their hardest .

I didn't say anything was wrong with companies borrowing ideas from each other, but to say these companies ONLY "borrow ideas" from Apple when Apple actually RELEASES a product is false .

 

[uberzephyr]

I thought you would have known better, obviously not. But this or the iPhone 6 are NOT the first mobile phones with sapphire displays.

These have sapphire crystal displays:

http://www.vertu.com/en/

As does this one:

http://www.tagheuer.com/int-en/mobile-phones/meridiist

Yeah, the Vertu *starts* at $9600, and goes up to around $20k. The Tagheuer isn't available yet, so no pricing, but is not a smartphone, not a touch screen device, and has a low-res 2.5" display. It's not even clear that the screen is sapphire, the entire front face appears to be a multi-piece sapphire assembly with ruby inlaid keys. It's an EXTREME luxury phone, and they're only planning to make 1,911 of them!

You're not making remotely similar comparisons to an iPhone 6.

 

[jacobj]

Now if only Apple would do take a similar hint from others, and do something about waterproofing.

I couldn't agree more. Why spend that little extra to make your product so resistant to one type of damage and then leave it unprotected from another.

I am hoping that waterproof protection is there but we don't hear about it because it's not a leak able part.

 

[Ries]

Yeah, the Vertu *starts* at $9600, and goes up to around $20k. The Tagheuer isn't available yet, so no pricing, but is not a smartphone, not a touch screen device, and has a low-res 2.5" display. It's not even clear that the screen is sapphire, the entire front face appears to be a multi-piece sapphire assembly with ruby inlaid keys. It's an EXTREME luxury phone, and they're only planning to make 1,911 of them!

You're not making remotely similar comparisons to an iPhone 6.

Doesn't matter how many they make, Apple copied them. Shame on them!

 

[BvizioN]

I thought you would have known better, obviously not. But this or the iPhone 6 are NOT the first mobile phones with sapphire displays.

These have sapphire crystal displays:

http://www.vertu.com/en/

As does this one:

http://www.tagheuer.com/int-en/mobile-phones/meridiist

First on the phone aimed to non millionaires! Now is that clear enough for you?

 

[Ries]

First on the phone aimed to non millionaires! Now is that clear enough for you?

Still copying...

 

[Kebabselector]

Still copying...

I think for some people one face palm is not enough

 

[iBungie]

waterproof protection...leak able part.

 

[demodave]

Of course people believe this. This is Mac Rumors, people here would believe that Steve Jobs used to **** gold bricks if Apple put out a press release saying so.

Apple has been working on producing sapphire glass for at least several years, and still has not released a product with it. For Kyocera to put out a product with sapphire glass, it stands to reason that Kyocera has also been working on it for several years, long before either company made an official announcement.

People here actually believe that Apple invented sapphire glass, despite man made sapphire having been invented over 100 years ago and it being used in many watches and barcode scanners at place like grocery stores for years.

This ignorance absolutely flipping kills me.

Wikipedia:
"Kyocera Corporation is a multinational electronics and ceramics manufacturer headquartered in Kyoto, Japan. It was founded as Kyoto Ceramic Company, Limited in 1959 by Kazuo Inamori and renamed in 1982."

Kyocera is a *ceramics* company. Their electronics grew out of their ceramics work. Sapphire is a *ceramic* material. They can put it into their phones *at cost* with *no* markup.

And, no, sapphire is not a glass. It's a *single* *crystal*.

 

[TWSS37]

Of course people believe this. This is Mac Rumors, people here would believe that Steve Jobs used to **** gold bricks if Apple put out a press release saying so.

Apple has been working on producing sapphire glass for at least several years, and still has not released a product with it. For Kyocera to put out a product with sapphire glass, it stands to reason that Kyocera has also been working on it for several years, long before either company made an official announcement.

People here actually believe that Apple invented sapphire glass, despite man made sapphire having been invented over 100 years ago and it being used in many watches and barcode scanners at place like grocery stores for years.

Stop with your logic! It has no place on these boards!

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This is how Apple fans minds work.

They think all companies employ people to read made up speculations about a possible Apple product, and then quickly make it before Apple do.

If they make it 1st they are copying Apple, if they make it after, they are copying Apple.

Apple never copies anyone.

They also believe Apple would continue to push their tech forward if there was no competition as Apple don't care what anyone else is doing.

*sigh* I know. Just some things people post are so far within the RDF that my mind can't comprehend it.

 

[samcraig]

Haha the next iPhone isn't even out yet and they're already copying it

It's been said before but deserves repeating. How can you copy something that doesn't exist yet.

And what if Sapphire isn't on the iPhone - but something else? What if they don't use Sapphire until the iPhone 7. Would you then say that Apple copied Kyocera?

 

[absurdamerica]

I can’t speak to the existence vs. part leaks point, but I think it’s fair to say that a phone without a release date cannot be late. Not until they give it a release date.

Well they've released a new iPhone every year, and people saying it's "late" are referring to Apple's failure to engage its competition more than anything.

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What's absurd is a company is being accused of 'copying' Apple when Apple hasn't released a single device with a sapphire display.

You're right. I'm sure Apple has invested hundreds of millions into Sapphire production capability for fun. They won't have a device on the way that uses their hundreds of millions of investment and research, no way.

 

[Mr. Amiga500]

Kyocera made one of the first notebook computers, back in 1983. Here is mine, on top of a late 2013 MacBook Pro:

30 years older, yet with a better battery life than the MacBook (21 hrs! removable battery too) and a much better keyboard.

 

[GeneralChang]

Kyocera made one of the first notebook computers, back in 1983. Here is mine, on top of a late 2013 MacBook Pro:

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30 years older, yet with a better battery life than the MacBook (21 hrs! removable battery too) and a much better keyboard.

Hmm… I’m gonna call you on the keyboard point. Flat, short travel keys feel so much better to me. Also, GUIs are pretty cool. I like ‘em.

 

[dec.]

Why would they do that after all the resident material engineering specialists declared Sapphire to be of no benefit whatsoever? (funny enough, those aren't expressing their doubts at all here...)

 

[charlitos]

I thought you would have known better, obviously not. But this or the iPhone 6 are NOT the first mobile phones with sapphire displays.

These have sapphire crystal displays:

http://www.vertu.com/en/

As does this one:

http://www.tagheuer.com/int-en/mobile-phones/meridiist

What is this? 2005?

 

[selfsilent]

Others don't copy Apple's products, they copy Apple rumours.
A new product idea is too risky but as soon as any company hears that Apple are doing it, it lets them know it's a viable market without them having to pay to do any survey.

If they copied the Apple products, they'd be 18 months behind development and 3 years behind Apple before anything came out.

 

[jacobj]

Thanks for noticing. I was proud of that one.

 

[Mr. Amiga500]

Hmm… I’m gonna call you on the keyboard point. Flat, short travel keys feel so much better to me.

You're saying you prefer mushy rubber dome over mechanical key switches? You surprise me.

 

[Tanegashima]

Thanks for the useless response

For a completly useless comment like yours:

What's the advantage of a sapphire display?

 

[GeneralChang]

You're saying you prefer mushy rubber dome over mechanical key switches? You surprise me.

It’s obvious that you and i disagree over points of semantics here, but I wouldn’t characterize the feel as “mushy.” I’d call it supple, maybe. Light touch, very smooth response, very predictable over time. Apple’s keyboards have the best key feel I’ve ever typed on, though some modern PC laptops are getting really close.