Please, some sympathy.
Not all of us have the deep and incisive insight into people we have never met as you.
We are sad...aren't we.
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An Emotional Bill Gates Talks About Steve Jobs on '60 Minutes'
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Please, some sympathy.
Not all of us have the deep and incisive insight into people we have never met as you.
We are sad...aren't we.
You're extremely short-sighted in your way of thinking. Just think for a quick second, the Mac's claim to fame has never been that it was developed to be used an stuffy office machine like the Windows PC was so MS Office certainly wasn't something it needed wholeheartedly. The arts have always been the Mac's claim to fame and it still is today. The entire recording industry that creates the music that you listen to today is all remastered using the Mac OS and Windows just has never been part of that equation in the computing world. I won't even bother getting into the graphic design world and the rest of the arts that use Macs extensively today. If you think for one minute that the lack of Office would've killed off the Mac then you certainly don't sound like a person that has had much Mac experience as you say. And BTW, I don't waste time reading people's signatures here. It's generally used for nothing more than a bragging station for products people own and I couldn't care less..
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that.
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You are aware right, that in the mid 90's, Apple was on the verge of Bankruptcy, and instead of Microsoft walkign away and letting Apple die a painful death because it's computer business was almost dried up completely with virtually zero market share (including at the time the stalwarts in the art industry), They not only invested heavily in Apple, Microsoft basically gave them money by purchasing non trading, non divident paying apple stock in a giant cash injections, And promised to continue and improve upon Office support for the Mac.
its rumoured that Microsoft did this because of the way that Gates respected Jobs, despite their backgrounds.
Apple was saved by Microsoft. its a hard pill for many a fanboy to swallow
Hmmm, yeah I guess the forum members know better than Microsoft themselves, especially since Microsoft announced in 2010 they were discontinuing security updates for XP and recommended people to update to Windows 7.
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...updates-for-windows-xp-sp2-pcs/1#.UZE_jZXw6S0
The link mentions ending security updates on Windows XP (SP2). Windows XP (SP3) will be supported with security updates until April 2014.
I think this sums it up quite accurately. Both were brilliant men and somewhere in there was friendship and mutual respect. Steve wanted to see Bill before he died and Bill thought highly of Steve and went.
There's this, and the fact some people around here tend to be too emotionally involved, and want to canonize Jobs while damning Gates for arbitrary reasons.
The simple fact is if you don't like Gates for the things he's done, you shouldn't like Jobs, as both were equally guilty of being cutthroat businessmen who stole as many ideas as they created to build their empires.
I doubt that there are many powerful billionaires who changed the world that didn't step on a few heads on the road to success.
Very good summary.
I personally think it's awesome how they put aside their obvious differences in business and still respected each other as people. They're not too dissimilar at all, even if they did fiercely compete for the majority of their careers.
I have no doubt that move by MS saved Apple. Microsoft made quite a bit of money on their investment when they sold it back to Apple 6 years later.
Also, the news at the time describes the action as an investment that settled long-standing patent disputes that Windows was infringing upon, and to keep a competitor around in order to avoid antitrust issues.
This statement shows your ignorance, reality is actually completely the opposite.
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You should take your blinders off and read up on his foundations and the philosophies he ascribes to, like massive population reductions. The unfortunate Africa comment, while with good intentions, it's driven by ignorance. For foundations such as Gates' it's business as usual.
Microsoft had mobile devices and tablets since the late 90's
Apple hit it big when tech finally came around to make them good enough for people to buy
I remember posting about this one article I read about Apple's use of cover flow and time machine. About how Apple took the idea and implementation wholesale from this one small company, ended up losing the patent battle, and then getting it turned around in their favor later.
The guy I talked to about it accused me of reading it with bias, only seeing what I wanted to see, and blah blah. The usual excuses. I would've loved throwing the article in the guy's face, but I couldn't find it again. I couldn't prove my point because of it.
Good thing I found it again.
Read through it, and tell me Apple isn't just as guilty as everyone else in The Big Tech Game. Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose. Sometimes they have a point. Sometimes they don't. At the end of the day, they're really no different than MS or Samsung.
I've always liked Bill Gates...
...but Ballmer on the other hand... I think Gates needs to come back to MS (like SJ with Apple) and fix things, but I doubt he will which is unfortunate...
...but Ballmer on the other hand... I think Gates needs to come back to MS (like SJ with Apple) and fix things, but I doubt he will which is unfortunate...
I have always thought of Bill as Steve's "little brother" trying to copy the older one, irritating him by doing so, but ultimately...a deep bond exists.
Glad to see Bill is still apparently healthy and getting around. And...I hope MS gets their act together. We need a healthy MS to offset Apple and Google and provide at a minimum...a 3 way "choice" for consumers.
Glad to see Bill is still apparently healthy and getting around. And...I hope MS gets their act together. We need a healthy MS to offset Apple and Google and provide at a minimum...a 3 way "choice" for consumers.
Oprah has done more and given more than BG singlehandedly and she's done it more by interacting with sick, hungry and dying people rather than creating a foundation involving many. Not saying BG doesn't do anything because his foundation has done some amazing work but to make him out to be this saint that some of you do here is just pitiful.
Going from a ruthless businessman to suddenly a humanitarian? Yeah, like he has zero faults and no agenda. There's plenty to argue about when it comes to BG, you're just refusing to open your eyes. I wouldn't even hold Oprah Winfrey with such high regards.
If every celebrity was doing this 100% from the kindness of the hearts only then they could do this anonymously. No need to create a foundation entitled with the celebrity's name for the world to know.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
When you've come down to reality please do come back...
MS didn't GIVE Apple any money. Those funds came from anti-trust suit and MS settled with Apple. Give it a rest. So many Apple haters on this board, it's sickening.
You're forgetting that Gates and Buffet have enlisted many billionaires to give at least 80% of their wealth away before they die. The importance of that cannot be overstated.
That said, it could be in the same vein as FDR, give the world some scraps before they realize that you guys hold all the power. It's better to pacify by giving an inch rather than having the underlings revolt and end the system.
So who knows.
Gates has given away over $30 billion of his own money. Oprah isn't even close to being in the same league.
The cry of the desperate on the side of a losing argument.
OH YEAH? WELL...YOU'RE AN APPLE HATER AND/OR A SAMSUNG PLANT OLOL!
I'm afraid I will only ever see Steve Jobs as a very selfish man. If he wasn't so selfish he would have opted to have proper medical treatment and still be alive today most likely. IMO he was incredibly selfish towards his family in this way, I also think he was too arrogant and selfish to work for from what I've read.
But that's just my opinion.
I just miss him from the Apple Keynotes but that's it really. I bet he never gave a penny to cancer research yet Gates would pay to find a cure.
But that's just my opinion.
I just miss him from the Apple Keynotes but that's it really. I bet he never gave a penny to cancer research yet Gates would pay to find a cure.
"I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll blindly make assertions based on hot air"
Steve Jobs teamed up with Arny Schwarz in california to completely revamp the donor system in California.
http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2010/03/19/steve_jobs_and/
The guy definitely had his flaws, but god damn it annoys me to see people constantly just talk out their rear.
I'm certainly not arguing your point because what you're saying has plenty of valor.
What I'm trying to say here is (and part of what you said brings me to my point) there are some blind people here who are singing the praises of BG way more than he deserves.
Any billionaire can give away money, that's as easy offering a penny to your next door neighbor. My point is Oprah Winfrey heavily involves herself with sick and dying people. Sure, she could just as easily write a check as BG and Buffet do but what she does shows more character of the type of human she is.
Bill Gates needs to give away that money, he nor his family will never live to spend it all and if he doesn't give away the IRS will get it. Don't think for one minute that he gives that money away just because it warms his heart that he's helped yet another family out of poverty.
Class act, humble, respectable, and genuine. Can't say that about the current CEO of Microsoft.
Hey man, we're talking the same language here.
That said, I've seen just as many videos of Gates in 3rd world countries holding kids as Oprah...they must have the same PR people.
Also, you have to factor in that Gates has a autism spectrum disorder, he's never going to be warm and fuzzy regardless of what's going on in his head. He simply can't connect with people the same way Oprah can.
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If you watched the last three 60 minutes interviews (throughout the years), his dad guilt tripped him into it
I said Oprah has DONE more, not given more money, I meant more of herself. Money isn't the only way to reach out to sick and dying people. She gets her hands dirty involving herself directly. But I guess money is the only thing that's important at the end of the day according to some of you here.
I don't see that as selfish, exactly. Shortsighted, maybe. Possibly something he did because he was afraid of facing his mortality dead on. But selfish? Eh.