(please note i'm not attacking you for this, just replying)
nerd said:
I don't think drunk driving is morally wrong.
Why? You don't think endangering the lives of others by getting intoxicated and then driving is wrong?
nerd said:
It is stupid and dangerous and I think the punishment should be severe if you damage someone's property or injure someone while drunk. If, on the other hand, the police pull you over for a traffic offense (speeding, swerving, etc.) and discover that you're legally drunk (but you haven't caused any sort of accident) then I think a sensible punishment is an impounded car and a night in the drunk tank to sober up (or possibly just a ride home instead).
Where I live, if you have two beers in an hour and get behind the wheel and are "caught" and convicted you are subject to a mandatory 10 day jail sentence and probably around $5000 in fines. That is absolutely insane.
Actually, I don't think it is. You are out, your alcohol consumption has lowered your ability to react to anything, and you're far more likely to kill someone.
nerd said:
To me it seems like you're being punished for a "pre-crime" like in "Minority Report". You haven't actually had an accident or hurt anyone, but you've increased the likelihood by some amount which is in itself somehow a crime. Maybe gun owners should be forced to pick up trash on the side of the highway since they've increased the likelihood of someone being shot.
Here gun crime is non existent, but drunk driving does exist. Carrying a gun doesn't cloud your judgement does it? Carrying a gun doesn't make you less able to swerve and/or brake if someone steps out in the road in front of you, does it?
nerd said:
I've seen statistics that say more accidents are caused by drowsiness than drunkenness yet I've never heard of anyone being charged with driving while sleepy. They're both equally preventable. Hmmm. Could there be an underlying social agenda? (Or maybe it's just harder to prove drowsiness so it's still legal... for now.)
I agree fully with you - but generally, accidents that are the result of a drunk driver are far more likely to be fatal for other parties than the aforementioned driver.
nerd said:
In the large metro area where I live there were on the order of 100 DUIs per year in the early 80's. Now there are several thousand per year. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the numbers again). Are there more irresponsible drunks per capita? Or have lawyers and politicians discovered it's very profitable to criminalize the populace? I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many of the members of MADD were defense attorneys.
Here in Scotland, drunk driving has become more of a problem. But I don't agree with you blaming lawyers and politicians - I'd blame the public. People go out, drink, and always think they've had less than they have, always think they're more able to drive than they are.
nerd said:
I'll stop ranting now, but for the record:
-- I've never had a DUI (or owned a gun)
-- I generally get a good nights sleep
-- One of my friends was killed by a drunk driver in 1998
And for my record:
-- I've never been stopped for drunk driving, because I've never had a drink before driving.
-- My dad broke his neck in a car crash caused by a drunk driver, and spent almost 10 months in a coma. (
Luckily it happened next to one of the best spinal injuries centres in the UK and he regained his ability to walk less than a year after waking up).
Even if this hadn't happened, I'd not be able to fathom how someone could think that ANY penalties for drinking, driving, and endangering other lives was ok.