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Analysis of Apple's Lawsuit Against Samsung, Includes iOS Device Sales Numbers

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Is that we here in Macrumours world know our Apple products....
But out in the Minnesota farmlands.... They may not have seen the ads....
They meet up with another farming buddies... A couple of beers.
Gone to a tech shop to buy a smartphone n' thought through the beer bottle they bought themselves a samsung iPhone.
:rolleyes:

/sarcasm
 
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Thex1138 said:
Is that we here in ka world know our Apple products....
But out in the Minnesota farmlands.... They may not have seen the ads....
Met up with another farming buddy... A couple of beers.
Gone to a tech shop to buy a smartphone n thought through the beer bottle they bought themselves a samsung iPhone.
:rolleyes:

/sarcasm
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So what's your point? The presence of competition does not harm a competitor? Seems contrary to that whole "competition" word.

And your next point is what? A successful company should allow a competitor to use it's technology/patents to compete with it? All at the same time as just taking it from all the competitors that sue Apple on the other companies' patents, right?

How many anti-Apple suing trolls here are also pro-other company suing Apple trolls in other threads?

So you don't like the way IP law works? Vote for someone who will change the legal structure. Until then, corporations are going to work in the environment your legislators and courts created. Hate the game, not the player.
 
After reading some of the lawsuit, I had to post this..

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http://pk.funnyseoul.com/2010/11/galaxy-tab-released/
 
Yamcha said:
Alright, I was originally going to take Apple's side on this, since I could clearly see it looks a lot like iOS, but having looked at Samsung's F700, I don' think Apple has any right to sue..

Although the Samsung F700 has very simple icons, Apple clearly has the same placement of icons, even looking at the bottom you find the four dock like icons..

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I'd say that Apple copied Samsung :p.. Honestly I'm not one to take sides just because I like Apple Products, I just think its wrong to sue since Samsung clearly had this type of UI first.. Apple has no right to sue..
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Which launched 6 months after the original iPhone...and was displayed in February of 2007 with an entirely different interface.
 
cmaier said:
Proof that Samsung ripped off Apple's rip off of Delicious Library?
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Apple hired the young fellow that did the UI for delicious library... sadly his name escapes me at the moment. But yeah, the kid brought is book shelves with him.;)
 
Iconoclysm said:
Which launched 6 months after the original iPhone...and was displayed in February of 2007 with an entirely different interface.
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The point is no one will ever confuse this with Apple's iPhone... But what Samsung is doing now is another story.

If you look at each item that Apple takes exception with individually it seems silly, but when you put them all together in a single device it's a twin to the iPhone... An iClone.:rolleyes:
 
So when is apple going to sue over the letter "i"?

Or how about suing companies for using certain shapes?

This kind of garbage just makes them look petty, just like the youtube videos demonstrating other phone antenna problems.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
That is not the case. The user can know they are buying a product that is a rip off of another and it is still wrong.
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A primary test is if a casual buyer would mistakenly believe both products came from the same source. If they know it's a copy, no problem.

pkson said:
After reading some of the lawsuit, I had to post this...
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Showing a bookshelf picture is nothing new. Heck, there was a bookshelf homescreen theme for old Windows Mobile phones.

For that matter, people say that Apple ripped off their bookshelf from Delicious Library. Which itself took it from who knows where.
 
maelstromr said:
So what's your point? The presence of competition does not harm a competitor? Seems contrary to that whole "competition" word.

And your next point is what? A successful company should allow a competitor to use it's technology/patents to compete with it? All at the same time as just taking it from all the competitors that sue Apple on the other companies' patents, right?

How many anti-Apple suing trolls here are also pro-other company suing Apple trolls in other threads?

So you don't like the way IP law works? Vote for someone who will change the legal structure. Until then, corporations are going to work in the environment your legislators and courts created. Hate the game, not the player.
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Where did i say I don't like how IP works buddy? Where in my post does it read 'don't like the way IP law works' ? Wipe your tears and try again... Don't make $#!t up.

the rest of your blurb about stuff in your head that I didn't event write isn't worth responding too...

My anecdote premise was pretty straight forward...
Two dudes who come from some place where they don't read tech feeds as often as the rest of us here... they go to a city shop and get sold phones that look like the ones they heard about...iPhones... the premise is not necessarily from the US... from any country on the planet where average Joes go to a tech shop to buy a smartphone... they look and feel and work in very similar ways which causes confusion.

P.S. The whole point of Apple's patent leverage is that they have... patented everything about their devices... form factor, processes, icons and interface... When you read deep into the context and content of Apple's submission which includes these comparisons and that Samsung copied everything and then applying a slight-of-hand to make it look a little different...
:rolleyes:

Like i say.. a bunch of Jawa's selling second hand Android's
 
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yes

pkson said:
It's a Samsung Galaxy Tab.

Ridiculous nit-picking. http://kr.engadget.com/tag/samsung+galaxy+tab/ it's in Korean, but I'm sure you get the idea.

@kdarling: look up.. up... 4 posts up.. There you go.
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I saw that too.. a chick in our office loves her GaxTab... but that's a definite iBooks cloner...
I also had to joke about her reason for buying it,.... to back up her PC files and transport them from office to home n vice-versa... ;)
 
Thex1138 said:
I saw that too.. a chick in our office loves her GaxTab... but that's a definite iBooks cloner...
I also had to joke about her reason for buying it,.... to back up her PC files and transport them from office to home n vice-versa... ;)
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It's even better when you see them making phone calls on their GTab.

Oh, and the GTab 2 is going 10" now. wow. Not very surprising huh?
 
Samsung is the worst company with ideas. They just copied off apple on everything they make, period.

Yes, their Nexus S phones have almost as same packaging as iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 packaging.

Yes, their icons are so similar.
Yes, their UI is very identical to Apple's iOS.
Their new Samsung 9 series laptop has drop ports and original macbook air had this as well.

Samsung just copies apple. Good to see apple is suing them. Love competitions, but apple spent money on investing, marketing and entering the market with the new design. Samsung? No. They just copied.

They deserve to lose and they will lose in this trial.
 
aohus said:
WRONG! They weren't invented at Apple's Cupertino HQ, they were invented back in Palo Alto (Xerox PARC).

Secondly, your source is a pro-Apple website. Thats a problem right there.

I'll give you a proper source, the NYTimes, which wrote an article on Xerox vs Apple back in 1989, untarnished, in its raw form. Your 'source' was cherry picking data.

Here is one excerpt.

Then Apple CEO John Sculley stated:

^^ thats a GLARING admission, by the CEO of Apple, don't you think? Nevertheless, Xerox ended up losing that lawsuit, with some saying that by the time they filed that lawsuit it was too late. The lawsuit wasn't thrown out because they didn't have a strong case against Apple, but because of how the lawsuit was presented as is at the time.

I'm not saying that Apple stole IP from Xerox, but what I am saying is that its quite disappointing to see Apple fanboys trying to distort the past into making it seem as though Apple created the first GUI, when that is CLEARLY not the case. The GUI had its roots in Xerox PARC. That, is a FACT.

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Actually, you're WRONG!!!! to say he's wrong. You're trying to say that every GUI element was created at Xerox? EVERY one of them? Sorry, but your argument here is akin to something Fox News would air.
 
aohus said:
Apple may have expanded upon existing GUI elements, but it didn't invent the GUI. Very big difference there.
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Interesting that you now notice the difference between the two when you started the entire discussion with your complete misunderstanding of someone already differentiating between the two...
 
aohus said:
honestly i don't understand Company Obsession.

Its fine to love gadgets, regardless of company, but to be blindly following a multinational corporation whose only motivation is $$$ for its shareholders, its kinda retarded.

EVERYONE. BE A GADGET FAN. DON'T OBSESS OVER A COMPANY.
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Right, just love those gadgets and ignore that the manufacturer that's making your favorite ones...and changing the entire direciton of multiple industries...happens to be Apple. Honestly, you're doing the flipside of the coin here - you're purposefully fooling yourself into being a "fan" of everything. Which is actually, a lot worse.
 
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