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lol isnt that like worth $10 USD now?? lol so my first day of college ends with me finding out that SL comes out. not a bad day to start college :D cant wait till the friday now!
 
Munster also sees OS X Snow Leopard as relatively minor upgrade, but one which that will allow Apple to position it as a value-priced upgrade for existing users and cutting-edge technology for new users against the "antiquated technology" of Windows users stuck on XP and Vista who are beginning to think about the upgrade path for Windows 7.

You know, that's a really stupid thing to say given that Snow Leopard wont run on PPC Macs.
 
Yeah. I think they'll fast track 10.7 too. I bet it gets previewed at next year's WWDC. That would be 10 or so months after Snow Leopard shipped. I predict a Spring 2011 (March-June 2011) release date. :D

Remember that after Leopard's release, which came 30 months after Tiger's, Apple promised that future OS upgrades would be leaner and faster to market. In fact they predicted 12-18 months between major releases. Now we have Snow Leopard, with mostly "under the hood" modifications, and the period since the release of Leopard is ... 22 months.
 
Remember that after Leopard's release, which came 30 months after Tiger's, Apple promised that future OS upgrades would be leaner and faster to market. In fact they predicted 12-18 months between major releases. Now we have Snow Leopard, with mostly "under the hood" modifications, and the period since the release of Leopard is ... 22 months.

And new features has gone from the mythic 300 to 3.
 
Remember that after Leopard's release, which came 30 months after Tiger's, Apple promised that future OS upgrades would be leaner and faster to market. In fact they predicted 12-18 months between major releases. Now we have Snow Leopard, with mostly "under the hood" modifications, and the period since the release of Leopard is ... 22 months.

Well if they keep charging $30 every year I guess I will be ok, episodic OSs anyone? lol
But I think I would be more happy with the 18-24 month range.
 
Remember that after Leopard's release, which came 30 months after Tiger's, Apple promised that future OS upgrades would be leaner and faster to market. In fact they predicted 12-18 months between major releases. Now we have Snow Leopard, with mostly "under the hood" modifications, and the period since the release of Leopard is ... 22 months.

I agree. I was hoping 10.6 would have been out by WWDC. I really hope from now on they continue to do this.

BUT, I have a feeling that 10.7 will be out around Jan. 2011. Snow Leopard seems to be a stepping stone to a complete new OS X, with cleaning and optimizing finished in 10.6. So in 10.7, they will focus on features and since 10.6 is a minor upgrade, I can see the next OS coming out a lot sooner.
 
That pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

Understandable... what Mac owner that knows about it wouldn't pay 29 dollars for it?

If you have even a modest understanding of computer operating systems and the new feature Snow Leopard brings you would understand that it is an incredible bargain. There are sure to be rough spots but I think most of us will adopt sooner rather than later. Me, I'll adopt first thing On the 28th and work around any issues that crop up.

In any event I'm beginning to wonder if there is a long term plan at Apple to squezze Micro Soft with future low cost OS updates? Think about it Apple is in it's strongest position yet to impact profitability at MicroSoft. Where would MS be if they had to charge $30 a copy for the next great Winfows release. It will be interesting to see if Apple is going to play hardball here.


Dave
 
Yep many of Snow Leopards features are really foundation stones for vast improvements

I agree. I was hoping 10.6 would have been out by WWDC. I really hope from now on they continue to do this.
To frequent updates cause their own issues. It was on of my big frustration with some of the Linux distros. You end up spending way to much time with reinstalls, program compatibility issues and bloat. 18 to 24 months is just about right for major OS updates. Further if you buy new hardware every 3 to 5 years you can get by with one or two major installs.
BUT, I have a feeling that 10.7 will be out around Jan. 2011. Snow Leopard seems to be a stepping stone to a complete new OS X, with cleaning and optimizing finished in 10.6.
Yep! I'm not sure what is coming next but resolution independence would seem to be a good possibility. We might also start to see some real AI. AI combine with voice input would seem like the rational next step.

So in 10.7, they will focus on features and since 10.6 is a minor upgrade, I can see the next OS coming out a lot sooner.

Now this statement frustrates me big time. SL is a major update. Apple may down play it because of the lack of user features but under the hood it is huge.


Dave
 
Although I have pre-ordered SL, I won't upgrade my work mac. There are still loads of software not compatible. Need to wait for several months.
 
I think that number is low. Leopard was 2M for first weekend and he thinks there'll be only 5M for an entire quarter? No. Higher.
 
To frequent updates cause their own issues. It was on of my big frustration with some of the Linux distros. You end up spending way to much time with reinstalls, program compatibility issues and bloat. 18 to 24 months is just about right for major OS updates. Further if you buy new hardware every 3 to 5 years you can get by with one or two major installs.

Yep! I'm not sure what is coming next but resolution independence would seem to be a good possibility. We might also start to see some real AI. AI combine with voice input would seem like the rational next step.



Now this statement frustrates me big time. SL is a major update. Apple may down play it because of the lack of user features but under the hood it is huge.


Dave

About the last part, I was meant to show that end-users are probably most happy with end-user features (ex. Time Machine) as opposed to "under the hood changes", hence 10.6 being a minor update. I personally understand all the impact of changes, rewritten code, etc. but Apple knows end-users want more "new features" and that's why are only charging $29.

10.7 will be able to bring 100s of end-user features due to the strong foundation inherited from 10.6.
 
Well, you have to admit, the usage of DLLs and the registry is pretty antiquated. It also helps with the whole Winrot issue...

But OSX uses DLLs as well - they just use a different spelling. I don't know of any significant OS that doesn't use DLLs.

Frameworks and Binding
Dynamic binding of Mach-O libraries brings a considerable power and flexibility to Mac OS X. Through dynamic binding, frameworks can be updated transparently without requiring applications to relink to them. At runtime, a single copy of the library’s code is shared among all the processes using it, thus reducing memory usage and improving system performance.

Dynamic Shared Libraries
The executable code in a framework bundle is a dynamically linked, shared library—or, simply, a dynamic shared library. This is a library whose code can be shared by multiple concurrently running programs.

Dynamic shared libraries bring several benefits. One benefit is that they enable memory to be used more efficiently. Instead of programs retaining a copy of the code in memory, all programs share the same copy. Dynamic shared libraries also make it easier for developers to fix bugs in library code. Because the library is linked dynamically, the new library can be installed without rebuilding programs that rely on it.

http://developer.apple.com/document...l/BPFrameworks/Concepts/FrameworkBinding.html


And as far as the timeline goes, scattering hundreds of text files called "preferences" across the filesystem predates a transaction-based robust database for configuration data by a long time.

Whatever you want to say about the Windows registry, calling it "antiquated" is easily shown to be nonsense.
 
is it possible to update to snow leopard from tiger for only 29 bucks?

No - you have to buy the value pack containing SL, iLife and iWorks for $169. Still not a bad value actually if you don't have any of them...
 
Also, Windows 7 will not be a flop. Neither will Snow Leopard. Both are great operating systems and will be very successful.

We will need to wait and see about Windows 7. It may be better then Vista however XP created a Good Enough factor. As well the fact that most people skipped a version they will need to face a larger migration cost as a larger portion of their Old XP apps will not probably work, or work well.

However people could be needy for these new features as well and will jump to Windows 7. However I am not expecting the big lines in the stores like for Windows 95. Or Every Major version of OS X.
 
But OSX uses DLLs as well - they just use a different spelling. I don't know of any significant OS that doesn't use DLLs.

And as far as the timeline goes, scattering hundreds of text files called "preferences" across the filesystem predates a transaction-based robust database for configuration data by a long time.

Whatever you want to say about the Windows registry, calling it "antiquated" is easily shown to be nonsense.

Separate text files for each app when gets corrupted doesn't disable an entire system. Also these preference files are more readable also being that their text files you have multiple tools that will allow you to modify them.

Microsoft tends to code towards complex solutions for simple problems, probably so they can get an extra tick on a benchmark test. But don't confuse complexity with a good solution. Reducing your points of failure even if you have a stable system is a good idea.
 
We will need to wait and see about Windows 7. It may be better then Vista however XP created a Good Enough factor. As well the fact that most people skipped a version they will need to face a larger migration cost as a larger portion of their Old XP apps will not probably work, or work well.

However people could be needy for these new features as well and will jump to Windows 7. However I am not expecting the big lines in the stores like for Windows 95. Or Every Major version of OS X.
Even my decade old software for Windows is running immaculately under Windows 7. I can't say the same about OS X.

What problems again?
 
But OSX uses DLLs as well - they just use a different spelling. I don't know of any significant OS that doesn't use DLLs.




And as far as the timeline goes, scattering hundreds of text files called "preferences" across the filesystem predates a transaction-based robust database for configuration data by a long time.

Whatever you want to say about the Windows registry, calling it "antiquated" is easily shown to be nonsense.

Well, OS X may call its version of DLLs something else - if that's what they really even are - but in all my years of using Mac (from OS 5 or 6 to the current OS), I have never experienced an error similar to that of Windows 9x thru Vista, where a DLL is missing, corrupt, needs to be registered, etc. Therefore, we can certainly say that MS' implementation of DLL files is antiquated.
 
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