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That's all very nice, and to be honest I use DDG as my default browser both on my Mac and my iPhone. Also, it has some very nice accelerators that allow you to search on other websites very quickly. Incidentally, I also use bookmarks for most websites or just type the URL, unlike many people in my close circle that just search their way in.

However, I always change to Google if I'm doing research for work. I tried DDG but it consistently gave me bad results and made me waste a lot of time. They need to change this if they want to be a serious option.
 
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TIP: If you insist on using Google, use startpage.com , it gives Google results but does not forward your info to Google. I am not sure why Google agreed to have this deal with them but this is the reality of the situation.
I have used startpage occasionally, and the results are better than ddg but not much fanciness. One problem is that it is a bit slow and sometimes times out because of what I guess is server load. They do pay google for the results, and for search they are not allowed to use other search providers (they used to be a search aggregate site before). The resulting search is also slightly different from Google’s own.
 
Thats fine, most people search for generic stuff. If all you want to do is look up research articles do it on google. The whole point was not to track your -private- life.

I just gave the most glaring examples, but even searching for news topics to flight tracking or computer issues or fixing issues in a game or scores in sports etc it’s no match... Among those I know practically everyone who tried it switched back to Google, for them it was a waste of time with a lot of scrolling through to get some decent results. Until DDG gets good enough it’s going to be hard to convince the masses to switch, as few people want to go through the extra effort of using one search engine for privacy and one to find everything not found on the other.

I suppose it’s also true if we don’t give opportunities to use competing products and give them a chance to improve we are stuck only with one option.

I also get the privacy aspect but I guess some us are willing to give out anonymized info to for accuracy and simplicity. As a few have mentioned start page is probably a better real alternative for some of us. I may give DDG another try in the mean time since it’s been over a year since I last used it.
 
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Why does Apple need a search engine? DDG already exists. We can use it.
 
I have been using DDG for years now and I am happy with them 99% of the time but on RARE occasion I will use Google (only if I can't find what I need with DDG). I would love to see DDG stay independent but if they are bought by anyone, I would prefer it to be Apple. Just like with Eero home routers, I wish Apple had bought them instead of Amazon.
 
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Why does Apple need a search engine? DDG already exists. We can use it.

The theory behind the story is that in negotiating with google, google doesn’t take DDG seriously as a threat. But if Apple owned it, Google would have to decide whether apple is bluffing when it says “double what you pay us or we’ll make DDG the default.” Given that google lost a lot of money when apple made its own maps app, google would have to consider apple’s threats very seriously.
 
The theory behind the story is that in negotiating with google, google doesn’t take DDG seriously as a threat. But if Apple owned it, Google would have to decide whether apple is bluffing when it says “double what you pay us or we’ll make DDG the default.” Given that google lost a lot of money when apple made its own maps app, google would have to consider apple’s threats very seriously.

I would also look at it from this perspective. When Apple Maps came out, most realized it was pretty poor but had no idea it wasn’t Google. I would think that Google underestimated of being the “default”. To most at the time, including myself, there was no distinction between default maps and google maps.

I think now that people are getting more and more educated in mobile, I don’t think it would be wise for Apple to try to bluff Google here. I could see Google pushing people to using Chrome which would be better for most Google users in an iOS experience anyway
 
Importantly, giving legislative teeth to the Do Not Track browser setting would not destroy online advertising, as some companies fear. People who turn Do Not Track on could still be shown contextual ads (based on the context of the page, i.e. its content like the search you type in), as opposed to behavioral ads (based on creepy profiles of your search history, likes, purchases, and more). Increasing evidence says this can be similarly profitable and it is in fact how DuckDuckGo makes money. In other words, business can continue to thrive, users can continue to get great products, and your privacy can be protected.

Thankfully, we’re not alone in recognizing this opportunity. Several U.S. Senators have expressed bipartisan support for Do Not Track legislation: Sen. Wyden proposed a bill in November 2018, and Sen. Hawley introduced the “Do Not Track Act” in May 2019, similar to our proposal, which is now co-sponsored by Sen. Feinstein.

The technical work is done, the legal foundation is in place — what we as individuals can do now is call upon our elected representatives to support Do Not Track legislation to give control back to users. This old idea has finally found its time!

source: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-si...4NTMzNjU1OTgyODIzNzE2fDIxMTEwNjIzNTA5NzQ2NXww

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Gabriel Weinberg
CEO/Founder DuckDuckGo. Co-author Super Thinking, Traction
 

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no, the article said that the only real leverage Apple has in negotiations against google is bing - the other choices don’t really frighten google enough into making google offer up more money. “pay us more or we’ll make DDG the default” is sort of like threatening to shoot yourself in the foot.

That makes more sense. haha. At least the option is there! I didn't even know it was an option, so I'm still glad I read the article and went and looked. Now my default is DDG. :)
 
I like what Duck Duck Go is doing but i tried them and had to switch to Bing. I'm always searching for what time stores are open and DDG doesn't display that on their search results. Bing does. Obviously Google does this too but F em.
 
Is DDG using google, just scrubbing user identification?


I believe you are thinking of startpage.com. I use them on my phone. My default is set to DDG, but i dont actually use them. I just cant make startpage a default....

What I like about them is they scrub off Google's UI. To me, the simpler the better. More results in less space is better.

DDG is following in Googles footsteps in terms of "beautifying" the results page, so I skip both when possible.
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I have used startpage occasionally, and the results are better than ddg but not much fanciness. One problem is that it is a bit slow and sometimes times out because of what I guess is server load. They do pay google for the results, and for search they are not allowed to use other search providers (they used to be a search aggregate site before). The resulting search is also slightly different from Google’s own.

Results are different between the two in part because with startpage you do not benefit from Google's tracking. Say what you will, but having a search engine know the type if result you typically want has its benefits.

I would LOVE it if a search engine had generic personality profiles to choose from to influence the type of result. Like an "engineer" profile would suit me perfect! Then I would have to do less arguing with the search engine...

I have avoided google for a couple years now (except for youtube...nobody is perfect, right?). And when I use them now, the results I get are noticeablely more generic and less "accurate" to what I want. They pretty much match startpage now.
 
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What a waste :/

First off, this just makes a deal with DDG better "because" it's the default... Apple's the one who did make Google the default.. They didn't have to, and although many would probably disagree, having the option only, would be better.

Aple's got a good thing here... Don't waste it by another privacy company you can't do yourself.

Google seems like sneak-attack "We've got our foot in" Where does "trust" come in to this ?
 
I also get the privacy aspect but I guess some us are willing to give out anonymized info to for accuracy and simplicity.

Google results are better because they are invading your privacy.
"We Know Where You Are. We Know Where You've Been. We Can More Or Less Know What You're Thinking About."
-Google CEO Eric Schmid

If it was anonymous then it wouldn't really have mattered, but they have a specific profile on you targeting you with ads and selling your online behaviours, actions, and tracking you online through cookies.
 
Google results are better because they are invading your privacy.


If it was anonymous then it wouldn't really have mattered, but they have a specific profile on you targeting you with ads and selling your online behaviours, actions, and tracking you online through cookies.

All of that the user chooses to allow as well, for the most part .
 
It isn't just new product or magic touch screen. They dont even have to throw all money into R&D, their current rate of R&D for most of their product ( Apart from Mac ) are fine.

Apple had 400 Retail Store when they have 500M iPhone users. And they were already cramped. That was before Apple Watch and AirPods. Having 1000 Stores worldwide for a 1B+ Customer Base isn't too much for an "expansion". It is more of a need. And yet Retail has had very little progress. ( Other than renovation ) They are currently sitting at just over 500 stores. Steve didn't create the Store just for Retail and Marketing. It is used for Support as well. Good Luck trying to book a support session. ( If you live in US and easily can do that, great. US has the highest, largest Apple Store area per Apple User )

They are still extremely slow with their Datacenter expansion. ( At least Apple CDN is finally a thing )

There will likely never be another product that is as big as Smartphone / iPhone. If Apple is worried about people moving off their platform, it shouldn't be some "Services" like Apple Music and Apple TV to keep them in. It should be cheap cloud Storage. It is the same strategy with Amazon AWS as Data Gravity. Once your Data lives inside the ecosystem, it is difficult, a hassle, or in AWS case really expensive to move them out. I mean they could at least start by adding 1TB tier for $5.99

These are areas, ( along with Mac, which finally got some attention ) Apple has neglected for years. And yet Apple decide to spend billions on Dramas.
I also wish there were more retail spaces but Apple is actually a fairly conservative company so the last thing they want is to do is spread themselves too thin and then have to close down a bunch of stores. As far as cloud services, it’s a commoditized space that really offers nothing special. That’s why there are million cloud services. Apple hates those spaces so they just offer the minimum service with little extra value. I’m guessing that Apple believes AR and glasses could be bigger than phones. After all, the post smartphone wearable space turned out to be much bigger than anyone thought (at least for Apple) so AR could be bigger than phones even.
 
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