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The mmWave stuff is stupid and an eyesore. I saw a video with Linus from Linus Tech Tips and basically he would fall off 5G mmWave if he turned his body away from the transceiver. That is not a good consumer experience. It's basically longer range WiFi but with more deadspots and on a lower data cap. I think T-Mobile made the right choice to deploy the longer range stuff. I'm looking forward to trying it out. LTE is already fast enough for mobile devices, so longer range 5G should be fine with even faster speeds and lower ping time. Maybe my friend who lives in the boonies will finally get decent internet now. He has to tether to his iPhone on LTE when we play games online. The connection is plenty fast but the ping time often sucks.
 
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Most people wouldn't want to buy another iPhone with an ugly notch screen.
I was very anti-notch when I saw the X announced. Remained anti-notch until I upgraded from my 5s to the 11 Pro a couple of months ago and I can tell you I stopped noticing it in the first hour. It never even crosses my mind that it's there now.
 
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For me they can drop mmWave all together for the moment. Zero chance it‘s available here this year.

Furthermore, it is useless with limited range, even in the rain it does not work.

Are you saying that you will never go to large conference or stadium?!
 
Sub-6GHz is slower than mmWave, but it is still faster than 4G LTE and has broader coverage that makes it more suitable for rural areas.

Will this new Sub-6GHz 5G have as broad a coverage as existing 4G in rural areas?

I mean... if they haven't covered an area with decent 4G yet... I can't imagine they'd be in a hurry to blanket that same area with new-fangled 5G...

The typical reason rural areas have weak coverage is because there are fewer towers since the population density is low.

So would a tower with new Sub-6GHz 5G transmitters really be able to serve a larger area than a tower with only 4G? That's what the quote above is suggesting.

If they can just add 5G transmitters to existing towers to improve coverage (without having to add additional towers) then that will be wonderful for rural areas.

You will, of course, need a 5G phone to take advantage of this in those areas. But someday all phones will be 5G, right?
 
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Interesting that Canada is one of the launch markets for full 5G support considering 5G isn't expected to be widely deployed here until 2021. I guess with iPhone market share in Canada they want to have a product available as soon as 5G goes mainstream (although this was the opposite of what happened with LTE, we had it for almost 2 years before the iPhone 5 with LTE launched).
 
So would a tower with new Sub-6GHz 5G transmitters really be able to serve a larger area than a tower with only 4G? That's what the quote above is suggesting.

You shouldn't be surprised, that happens in any new wireless protocol, cellular, Bluetooth or Wi-Fi. Faster speeds at the same range and longer range at the same speed. It happened with 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G, and now 5G.

The problem is consumer demands and expectations simultaneously go up. LTE can provide 128 kbps GPRS throughput at a distance far longer than GPRS can, but nobody wants 128 kbps now, they want HD video streaming.
 
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Most people wouldn't want to buy another iPhone with an ugly notch screen.
You realize that:
1. That picture is just 4 phones from the current iPhone lineup and doesn't actually represent what 2020 iPhones will look like.
2. The vast majority of people don't care about the notch and millions of people are still buying iPhones with notches.
 
Interesting that Canada is one of the launch markets for full 5G support considering 5G isn't expected to be widely deployed here until 2021. I guess with iPhone market share in Canada they want to have a product available as soon as 5G goes mainstream (although this was the opposite of what happened with LTE, we had it for almost 2 years before the iPhone 5 with LTE launched).

Given the size of the Canadian market, I wouldn't expect Apple to launch a different product. Apple would need to stock models and parts at the repair depot. The only benefit would be a more competitively priced iPhone.
 
Will this new Sub-6GHz 5G have as broad a coverage as existing 4G in rural areas?

I mean... if they haven't covered an area with decent 4G yet... I can't imagine they'd be in a hurry to blanket that same area with new-fangled 5G...

The typical reason rural areas have weak coverage is because there are fewer towers since the population density is low.

So would a tower with new Sub-6GHz 5G transmitters really be able to serve a larger area than a tower with only 4G? That's what the quote above is suggesting.

If they can just add 5G transmitters to existing towers to improve coverage (without having to add additional towers) then that will be wonderful for rural areas.

You will, of course, need a 5G phone to take advantage of this in those areas. But someday all phones will be 5G, right?
I took the quote to mean the sub-6 has broader coverage than mmWave but that statement as written is ambiguous.

I don’t know whether 5G sub-6 offers any farther reach than current 4G LTE but it’s certainly possible. Maybe someone with technical knowledge of 5G will weigh in.
 
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Will this new Sub-6GHz 5G have as broad a coverage as existing 4G in rural areas?

I mean... if they haven't covered an area with decent 4G yet... I can't imagine they'd be in a hurry to blanket that same area with new-fangled 5G...

The typical reason rural areas have weak coverage is because there are fewer towers since the population density is low.

So would a tower with new Sub-6GHz 5G transmitters really be able to serve a larger area than a tower with only 4G? That's what the quote above is suggesting.

If they can just add 5G transmitters to existing towers to improve coverage (without having to add additional towers) then that will be wonderful for rural areas.

You will, of course, need a 5G phone to take advantage of this in those areas. But someday all phones will be 5G, right?

Sub 6 GHz 5G will have same coverage from tower as 4G LTE. 4G LTE is all sub 6 GHz. Frequency is the key driver for distance from tower (and also ability to penetrate buildings, cars, etc.), and data bandwidth capability.

The lower the frequency, the farther the signal travels. The higher the frequency, the more data bandwidth it can support.

Don‘t assume that all sub 6 GHz is the same either. There is a difference between for ex. 0.6 GHz (600 MHz) and 2 GHz in terms of signal travel and Max. data bandwidth it can support.
 
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Ugh. Get rid of the notch already. Just make the phone a smaller version of the iPad Pro. I noticed the notch constantly for the three weeks I used the X. It's like looking at a person missing two front teeth.
 
The mmWave stuff is stupid and an eyesore. I saw a video with Linus from Linus Tech Tips and basically he would fall off 5G mmWave if he turned his body away from the transceiver. That is not a good consumer experience. It's basically longer range WiFi but with more deadspots and on a lower data cap. I think T-Mobile made the right choice to deploy the longer range stuff. I'm looking forward to trying it out. LTE is already fast enough for mobile devices, so longer range 5G should be fine with even faster speeds and lower ping time. Maybe my friend who lives in the boonies will finally get decent internet now. He has to tether to his iPhone on LTE when we play games online. The connection is plenty fast but the ping time often sucks.

5G is the future. All telecoms are investing in it. If it wasn't so, they wouldn't invest big billion dollars in it.What you say is true, but I believe they know something we don't. That is its going to work.

My understanding is that 5G major benefit is that it can handle stress, meaning we should not see a "weak" network. This is highly beneficial in high density cities. This should also mean no measly monthly data caps.

We can always opt for the dual method, 5G for high dense areas and far reaching 4G signal for things that are more on the outskirts with less congestion.
 
Am I reading this right? Apple is once again putting their own parts in place of Qualcomm parts that are vital to 5G reception? Hasn't Apple crippled their phones enough with Intel modems that weren't capable of keeping up with the Qualcomm modems. Now Intel has gotten out of the business and Apple is trying those same shortcuts that will continue to affect iPhone's reception? This really is depressing. I hope these reports are wrong. I'm planning on buying a 12 Pro and was looking forward to getting a Qualcomm modem system and regain the lost reception I'm getting on my Xs
 
hmm wait a minute - knowing its just a rumor, but if it shows to be true, we have 5G in Denmark where I live, so I would have to order a phone from UK to get one with 5G internals?

That doesnt seem right. most countries in europe are rolling out 5G at the moment. And what would they say in the reveal of the phone, "some countries will also have posibility for 5G". hell naw
 
hmm wait a minute - knowing its just a rumor, but if it shows to be true, we have 5G in Denmark where I live, so I would have to order a phone from UK to get one with 5G internals?

That doesnt seem right. most countries in europe are rolling out 5G at the moment. And what would they say in the reveal of the phone, "some countries will also have posibility for 5G". hell naw
No, you’ll still get a 5G model, but it’ll be one without mmWave support (if this rumour is true)
 
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Most people wouldn't want to buy another iPhone with an ugly notch screen.

I wonder how many people who whine about the notch actually own a phone that has it. It really isn't that big a deal. In portrait, you basically don't notice it at all (though I would like a more comprehensive status bar back), and in landscape, only when you fill the screen, which isn't the default.
 
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Most people don’t give a **** about the notch...

I don't think so. The notch screen is the worst screen design for a smartphone and got *🏻by TIME 10 Best Gadgets of the 2010s
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I wonder how many people who whine about the notch actually own a phone that has it. It really isn't that big a deal. In portrait, you basically don't notice it at all (though I would like a more comprehensive status bar back), and in landscape, only when you fill the screen, which isn't the default.

It's a compromise whether or not you are using in landscape or portrait. I wouldn't recommend buying another iPhone with a hideous notch screen.
 
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Kuo said iPhone models with mmWave would be available in five markets, including the United States, Canada, Japan, Korea, and the United Kingdom, adding that Apple may disable sub-6GHz functionality in countries that do not offer 5G service or have a shallow 5G penetration rate to reduce production costs.

Uh, how does "disabling" functionality save on production costs? Disable != remove...
 
5G is the future. All telecoms are investing in it. If it wasn't so, they wouldn't invest big billion dollars in it.What you say is true, but I believe they know something we don't. That is its going to work.

My understanding is that 5G major benefit is that it can handle stress, meaning we should not see a "weak" network. This is highly beneficial in high density cities. This should also mean no measly monthly data caps.

We can always opt for the dual method, 5G for high dense areas and far reaching 4G signal for things that are more on the outskirts with less congestion.
IDK. It seems pretty weak when an umbrella can block the signal, lol. Hopefully they keep iterating on it but the mmWave functionality seems less than half baked at this point and I don't especially want bulky equipment atop a lot of the street lights in my neighborhood. Seems almost dystopian. They should have waited until they could miniaturize it. They still could have launched 5G longer range first and then either roll out a 5G+ or 6G for mmWave. I also like the name WiFi+, because that's basically what it seems like.
 
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