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Analyst: iPod Updates By Holidays, Additional OS Support For Macs?

longofest said:
Visio
Project
Access
Frontpage

All not part of Office for Mac, but are part of the premium editions of Office for PC. Personally, I've always felt the sting of not having Visio or Project. Don't care about Access or Frontpage (especially since it's now discontinued), but those are some reasons that people might want the Windows version.
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Omnigraffle speaks Visio pretty fluently. Merlin (from the Project Wizards) speaks MSProject and spares you the MSProject interface from hell. I've been using Merlin and have been quite happy with it-- and I can trade project files with the Windows folk. Best part is I don't have MS telling me how my projects should be run.
 
What are they talking about, "Apple create a virtualization solution of their own" ???

I thought Bootcamp was an Apple product, is it NOT, or does this indicate that article is BULL ??? 😱 😱 😱
 
Analog Kid said:
Best part is I don't have MS telling me how my projects should be run.
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you'd think they'd give the Windows team a free copy, wouldn't you? 🙄 🙄 🙄 😀 😀 😀
 
bigandy said:
dreamweaver. why people still stick with frontpage is beyond me. it's so bad i want to kick people every time i see someone using it.
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Not to mention the code it generates. Enough to make a web designer PUKE.

Sample CSS
Code: 
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	margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-pagination:none;
	mso-layout-grid-align:none;
	text-autospace:none;
	font-size:14.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman";
	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
	color:black;}
h1
	{mso-style-next:Normal;
	margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	text-align:center;
	mso-pagination:none;
	page-break-after:avoid;
	mso-outline-level:1;
	mso-layout-grid-align:none;
	text-autospace:none;
	font-size:28.0pt;
	font-family:PaulyScript;
	mso-bidi-font-family:PaulyScript;
	color:green;
	mso-font-kerning:0pt;
	font-weight:normal;}

Sample HTML
Code: 
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  mso-bidi-font-family:Pristina;color:#CCFFCC'>Limited Time Offers</span><span
  style='color:#CCFFCC'><o:p></o:p></span></h2>

  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#FFFF99'>Fresh Spring Bloom</span><span
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  color:#FFFF99'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
 
yac_moda said:
What are they talking about, "Apple create a virtualization solution of their own" ???

I thought Bootcamp was an Apple product, is it NOT, or does this indicate that article is BULL ??? 😱 😱 😱
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Boot Camp isn't a virtualisation solution. It's a tweak to the EFI to allow a choice of operating systems at boot time. virtualisation allows switching between OS' on the fly, while they're both booted (like VirtualPC but far faster).
 
I hope they don't do away with the BootCamp function. I don't want to be in a virtual window, I want full power. Allocating ram is for the birds, but this is just my needs/wants.
 
crees! said:
Not to mention the code it generates. Enough to make a web designer PUKE.
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i know! it's awful!

i've used dreamweaver for years. admittedly, i did try frontpage, but before it became a microsoft product. the minute they bought it out, i decided not to bother, because it was stupid enough when vermeer technologies made the first version!
 
bigandy said:
Boot Camp isn't a virtualisation solution. It's a tweak to the EFI to allow a choice of operating systems at boot time. virtualisation allows switching between OS' on the fly, while they're both booted (like VirtualPC but far faster).
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I KNOW what vitualization is, I did NOT know bootcamp was NOT 😱
 
Object-X said:
What I think Apple is going to do is add some kind of flash hard drive so you can "instant on and off" an OS; so, with OS X (Leapord) you will be able to jump into bootcamp in seconds and switch your OS, dramatically reducing the time it takes to switch over. Vista is also going to support this kind of booting from what I read.
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What would be the point of this (on a desktop system) except being expensive? If you have virtualisation, alternative operating systems can be just put to sleep and woken up instantly. Boot time is irrelevant, because you don't boot (except after Windows crashes 🙂

If you want full hardware access for a second operating system, which cannot be done with virtualisation, the most efficient way to implement this is to put one of the two operating systems to sleep at any time.
 
awesome, tell Dominic G that they should include support for BeOS while they're at it, i'm sure he'd love to see that! 🙂

i can't even begin to imagine how fast BeOS would scream on a Core Duo. for the love of god, that would Be amazing.
 
jaxstate said:
I hope they don't do away with the BootCamp function. I don't want to be in a virtual window, I want full power. Allocating ram is for the birds, but this is just my needs/wants.
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They'll probably not take away the seperate boot function, instead I would guess that the user would have a choise as to whether they want virtualization or the seperate boot.
 
DavidLeblond said:
How does one go about getting paid to be an "analyst"?
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😀
Yea, I would also like to know that... 🙄 🙄

Saying stuff like: "It will happen, some day... but then, I might not... you know computers... anyway it might be comming soon..."

lol !
 
people are getting bent out of shape about my last post. I was simply pointing out that the Mac version of office has less than the PC version has. I'm not saying that you can't get alternatives that may be better. I'm also not saying that I personally wouldn't want to get alternatives. I use dreamweaver, and would never, ever, in life use Frontpage or Access for that matter (because they stink).

I use Visio and Project because I have to at work however. Do I really want to learn yet another program's interface and quirks to do the same job at home that I do at work? No thanks... just give me Visio and Project working side-by-side with my mac apps.
 
longofest said:
Visio
Project
Access
Frontpage

All not part of Office for Mac, but are part of the premium editions of Office for PC. Personally, I've always felt the sting of not having Visio or Project. Don't care about Access or Frontpage (especially since it's now discontinued), but those are some reasons that people might want the Windows version.
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well for visio why not use Concept Draw, which you can just import visio xml files into, and for project, why not use xTime? it can import and export MS project files.

xTime: http://www.app4mac.com/xtimeproject.html
Concept Draw: http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/products/cd5/main.php

just a thought.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
Apps like M$ Office might be able to run sort of native (like OS/2 did), but games would be much harder. The whole DirectX APIs should have to work, along with the drivers for the grfx cards and sound cards. Maybe it's possible.... but it would probably come with a performance penalty aswell.
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Relevant to Porchland's suggestion: if you reimplement all the APIs bug-for-bug as MS has implemented the originals, and if you write code that is at least as efficient as the original MS code, you shouldn't have to pay any performance penalty: there's no virtualization or emulation involved. That's what WINE is attempting, but since it requires reverse engineering, it will probably never be quite bug-for-bug compatible.
 
How about buying out Parallels?

Havent' tried it yet myself, but everything I've heard so far indicates that Parallels' WorkStation virtualization solution kicks major ass even in beta--seems to me it'd be easier for Apple to just buy 'em out for a $50 million (or whatever--no clue what they're worth) and absorb WorkStation into Leopard, no?
 
It would be nice if apple put something out so you don't have to dual boot into windows for gaming support.

or

allow windows and macos boot at the same time and they run together without the windows viruses effecting the system and using the mac interface... Someone posted a picture of a windows icon next to the apple icon on the top menu...

Regardless anything to do with windows and mac makes me sick. I just enjoy playing games. I wish apple the best and I hope people will switch.. (I have tried getting a few people to switch, they keep calling me an undercover apple sales rep.)
 
i dissagree

Analog Kid said:
Omnigraffle speaks Visio pretty fluently. Merlin (from the Project Wizards) speaks MSProject and spares you the MSProject interface from hell. I've been using Merlin and have been quite happy with it-- and I can trade project files with the Windows folk. Best part is I don't have MS telling me how my projects should be run.
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Both Omnigraffle and Visio are not qualitly applications but, and I really do hate to say this, MS Visio is a much, much better application than Omnigraffle.

But this debate is moot. If Omnigraffle works for you, use it.

But I do get fed up of people being arogant and assuming that what works for them must work for others.

Live and let live.

~iGuy
 
Porchland said:
I think this all depends on how Apple gauges what the consumer wants. Personally, I want Windows XP-compatible apps -- not Windows XP itself -- to run on my Mac.

I don't want a Start button or a My Computer icon. I just want the XP version of Microsoft Office, games, etc.
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That would be awesome, you wouldn't have to worry which box to grab when buying software. Or being all pissed cuz Fry's has the XP version of something at half the price of the Mac version.
 
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