Analyst Speculates on iMac Delays: Quad vs Dual Core?

Most Former Buyers NOW fall into these major identifiable categories:

* The "rich" but not-as-rich anymore

* The beginning to look over their shoulder before parting with their dough

* The formerly able to purchase luxuries and conveniences
and who are now focussing upon bare essentials.

During Recession, Almost Everyone "cuts back" because

they either have no choice

or,

they feel that they'd better do so...


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I look at it this way, while the recession has yet to bite me directly what it does do is make me look at Apple solutions with more of an eye towards value for my dollar and it just isn't there.

In other words, if I wanted a new system to take advantage of the best hardware I have to go to the Windows world. Even if Apple comes out with a new whiz-bang iMac or similarly priced Pro I still have to weigh its features and price versus what I can get in the Windows world because almost all the software (actually all if I look hard enough) exists in Windows too.

If living with Vista means saving 30% or more I probably will.
 
I feel I had to reply to this comment because for me it applies to me almost identically.

I'm currently on my third iMac, having owned the G4 iMac, a G5 17" iMac (non-iSight/FrontRow), and currently use a 17" Intel Core Duo iMac. As I hurtle towards my 30th birthday this year, the recession is very much taking its toll on me and my family. I bought a house with my (then) girlfriend in 2006 and got married to my (now) wife in April 2008, so I no longer have the kind of income that enables me to throw cash away on "luxuries". Every new "gadget" that came out I would buy on day one ... the last time I done so was when Xbox 360 launched, and that system has long since been sold to see of harder times when my wife was made redundant in October last year. Thankfully, she's back in employment now, but on a salary below what she used to be on.

I have in the past 3 months began my career as a freelance web designer, after quitting my laborious office job of 6 years, and have developed three sites so far and am currently developing another two as we speak.

Thanks to my website income I have been able to put money aside for a new iMac to replace my ailing 17" Core Duo model which has a knackered Matshita SuperDrive in it. And, while CS3 runs nice enough on my current iMac, I know that my work would be so much easier (and faster) on a new model of iMac. I would love to put my money towards a Mac Pro and Apple Cinema Display, but the fact is that an iMac remains the most cost-effective way for me to get a) more screen real estate and b) better hardware specification.

I currently have £800 set aside from my recent projects for a new iMac and am waiting intently on an update. However, I am stuck at a crossroads. When Apple launch the new model of iMac it's more than likely that the price will change for the entry level model, which currently costs £782 here in the UK. The introduction of a Quad Core, possible Logic Board change, possible chassis redesign to accommodate extra heat, etc can only push that price up and after seeing the Macbook redesign push up the entry level price on that range, I think it's reasonable enough to presume the iMac will also see a hike in cost.

3 years ago I'd have laughed and paid the extra without thinking about it. Today, I've got a budget I can scarcely afford to wander too far from ... if at all.

So with this in mind I am tempted to go and get a new iMac now while the cost remains £782, but I'm holding off for now "just in case".

I think they could manage to keep the prices the same as they are now.

The cost of a Core 2 Quad might be higher but everything is going to be lower by now.

Apple charge a huge amount for RAM and Hard Drives compared to after market pricing.

RAM

Apple: £147 for 4Gb upgrade from 1Gb Standard

Crucial: £10.34 for 1 x 1Gb or £36.79 for 2 x 2Gb

Apple are only swapping that 1Gb for 2 x 2Gb so the real cost to them would be £26.45 in total PLUS a huge volume discount from whoever supplies their RAM to start.

Hard Drives

Apple: £59 to upgrade from 250Gb to 500Gb

Again, you're "trading" one part for another, the true cost of going from a 250 to 500Gb drive is nearer £15

Screens

Apple will be buying 100,000s of 20" and 24" Panels to cover both their displays and iMacs. I wouldn't be shocked if they all went LED at the same time.

If you look at what apple charge for the different iMac models, they probably make the most money out of the 2.66 20" and 3.06 24"
 
Apple definitely has to improve on their value for money, but to be honest, I don't think they really give a sh*t about their computers or the loyal customer base that has bought from them for years.
As long as the hardware looks good and wows the new iPhone crowd all is well.
 
I will be extremely surprised if apple throws a quad core processor in the next iteration of the iMac. I don't think performance is a problem with the iMac...what people want is a lower price. 2 GB ram standard, too.

The mini needs more of an upgrading than the iMac does.
 
I will be extremely surprised if apple throws a quad core processor in the next iteration of the iMac. I don't think performance is a problem with the iMac...what people want is a lower price. 2 GB ram standard, too.
The 65 W quad-cores have similar prices to existing mobile dual-cores for similar GHz.
 
The 65 W quad-cores have similar prices to existing mobile dual-cores for similar GHz.

Hence the very reason why the new iMacs will use the Core 2 Quad Q9xxxS series CPU's. Besides, Apple needs to go to quad-core because the new versions of iPhoto, iMovie and GarageBand from iLife '09 demands the use of a quad-core CPU, since multimedia editing tends to use a LOT of CPU resources.
 
And according to this blogger, we might not have iMacs for much longer:

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/12/18/beginning-end-apple-imac

That's just one man's opinion, which is no more accurate than me going onto my favourite football/soccer club forum and declaring that our lack of spending means we're going into administration.

The iMac is an integral part of Apple's hardware line-up and to say that the iMac "will not survive" this recession is borderline laughable. Apple were on of the only firms to continually post profits while banks crumbled, businesses collapsed, and firms closed their doors for the final time.

At the end of the day if you want a Mac, you know what it entails. We would all love to see a cheaper Apple computer, but the fact is that Apple has never been a brand you see on discount on the shelves of PC World (in the UK) alongside cheap Advent Windows PCs.

When someone decides to buy a Mac, they know that there's a "premium" for owning an iMac, Mac Pro, Macbook Aluminum, etc.
 
I don't want Mac's to get any cheaper...I'll happily pay the extra if it means the great unwashed don't start using them.
 
I don't want Mac's to get any cheaper...I'll happily pay the extra if it means the great unwashed don't start using them.

yay elitism...

If it wasn't for the unwashed (buying iPods, iPhones and other cheaper Apple products) Apple wouldn't be posting such awesome profits...
 
Really?
(which puts the article's content and its overall value into one phrase)

I have to agree. If Apple fails to update them this end or sends even one of the 4 models to clearance I might start think he's on to something. but there are still a lot of folks that want desktop computers.

the way I see it they would cut the mini and hype the 'all in one', 'no need to have tons of ugly cables everywhere' etc on the imac, perhaps with a price drop on the low end.
 
yay elitism...

If it wasn't for the unwashed (buying iPods, iPhones and other cheaper Apple products) Apple wouldn't be posting such awesome profits...

That may be the case but I was just as happy to buy expensive Mac's before iPods and iPhones even existed.

I don't want (nor do I believe Apple will make) a machine manufactured for the lowest common denominator. I want a product to be the best it can be without compromises making it affordable to all and sundry.

'A camel is a horse designed by committee' ;)
 
I don't want (nor do I believe Apple will make) a machine manufactured for the lowest common denominator. I want a product to be the best it can be without compromises making it affordable to all and sundry.

When was the last time Apple made a "best it can be without compromises" computer product?
 
That may be the case but I was just as happy to buy expensive Mac's before iPods and iPhones even existed.

I don't want (nor do I believe Apple will make) a machine manufactured for the lowest common denominator. I want a product to be the best it can be without compromises making it affordable to all and sundry.

'A camel is a horse designed by committee' ;)

Hey I want a Beckton (or even Dunnington) xServe. But have grown to realize that Apple doesn't always offer things that make sense.
 
That may be the case but I was just as happy to buy expensive Mac's before iPods and iPhones even existed.

I don't want (nor do I believe Apple will make) a machine manufactured for the lowest common denominator. I want a product to be the best it can be without compromises making it affordable to all and sundry.

'A camel is a horse designed by committee' ;)


If you have to buy something to feel superior or reinforce your self declared superiority you have a serious problem.

I prefer people to use the best computer for their needs and the majority simply don't need to piss away money on design. Computers are tools and while I do like my iMac if I could have had similar specs in a beige case and OS X I would do so in a heart beat.

Franky the only thing I want on my desktop is the display (the iMac is still too large), keyboard, and mouse.
 
When was the last time Apple made a "best it can be without compromises" computer product?

To be clear: I'm speaking of financial compromises e.g. selling price points.

With this in mind, the current iMac is hardly what anyone would call cheap. Yet there is still no better all-in-one consumer computer.
 
If you have to buy something to feel superior or reinforce your self declared superiority you have a serious problem.

I prefer people to use the best computer for their needs and the majority simply don't need to piss away money on design. Computers are tools and while I do like my iMac if I could have had similar specs in a beige case and OS X I would do so in a heart beat.

Franky the only thing I want on my desktop is the display (the iMac is still too large), keyboard, and mouse.

It's nothing to do with feeling superior. It's to do with the positive attributes of a premium product being diluted to appeal to a mass market. If Ferrari tried to make an affordable car for everyone it wouldn't be very 'Ferrari' would it? A crude example but I hope that exemplifies my stance more clearly. If Apple has to charge a little more to keep things 'Apple' - I'm quite happy with that. Not because I'm loaded, just because I appreciate the design and thought of their products.

If you're not bothered about the aesthetic beauty of a product like the iMac I can't understand why you don't just build (or have built for you if you aren't of that persuasion) a kick ass PC, buy OSX and head over to hackintosh forums for the install packages. Would save you a whole heap of cash if that's all you're bothered about. Seems that given your stance it would be the sensible option for you.
 
It's nothing to do with feeling superior. It's to do with the positive attributes of a premium product being diluted to appeal to a mass market. If Ferrari tried to make an affordable car for everyone it wouldn't be very 'Ferrari' would it?

Ferrari is owned by FIAT though who mainly produce cheap affordable cars for everyone

so your stance just got more complicated ;)
 
Ferrari is owned by FIAT though who mainly produce cheap affordable cars for everyone

so your stance just got more complicated ;)

Alas I feel that point only solidifies my thinking. If Microsoft owned Apple that wouldn't concern me. So long as the virtues of Apple remained in the products they produced.

The Fiat/Ferrari situation is proof of Fiat's knowledge that Ferrari is successful because it is the best at what is does. Apple computers are a premium brand. I like it that way. I don't want them becoming a Fiat.

As has been pointed out on other threads. By NOT chasing the market prices (everyone was hoping for a cheap Macbook and they went the opposite direction) and doing 'what they do' they have remained profitable. By pandering to the masses it would both lessen their brand value and ultimately erode their profits.
 
To be clear: I'm speaking of financial compromises e.g. selling price points.

With this in mind, the current iMac is hardly what anyone would call cheap. Yet there is still no better all-in-one consumer computer.

But it's certainly not the best it could be, either. And for those of us who don't want an all-in-one consumer computer, Apple has nothing. (The current version of the mini isn't even a consideration.)

I think Apple at one time made "best it could be without compromises" computer products, but they haven't for quite some time now.
 
Alas I feel that point only solidifies my thinking. If Microsoft owned Apple that wouldn't concern me. So long as the virtues of Apple remained in the products they produced.

The Fiat/Ferrari situation is proof of Fiat's knowledge that Ferrari is successful because it is the best at what is does. Apple computers are a premium brand. I like it that way. I don't want them becoming a Fiat.

As has been pointed out on other threads. By NOT chasing the market prices (everyone was hoping for a cheap Macbook and they went the opposite direction) and doing 'what they do' they have remained profitable. By pandering to the masses it would both lessen their brand value and ultimately erode their profits.

Their profitabiltiy is not only a function of their computer hardware. By selling computer hardware that is a step back from the newest edge, they do protect themselves from possible unforseen circumstances, but they charge a LOT of money.

The car analogy falls down on one point. A Ferrari, or a less expensive BMW or Fiat, or even Fiat's other house brands, Alfa Romeo, and Maserati...

All drive on the same roads, with the same steering wheel and pedal arrangment.

Imagine if Ferrari came up with some new way of controlling a car that was inherently better, and then said no one else could use it, even though it is better in many ways.

But it is a Ferrari, and if you want better, but can't afford $150K plus for a car, sod off.

As long as Apple keeps Mac OS closed to anything but their own hardware, then it is fair game to roundly criticize them for not offering hardware options that do make common sense, and are affordable to the majority of the computer buying public.

I understand not making junk to cater to the "fast and loose" crowd. I understand having standards of design and component quality. Apple can do better than they are doing.

Inflation is going to take a really BIG bite out of people's discretionary spending soon. Profit taking (charging the maximum possible because people can afford to part with more money for your product over other products) cannot be a permanent strategy. Any economic indicator over the last quarter supports this. Apple's sales figures may be a lagging indicator, but it will catch up to them.

Plus, their premiums for portable devices like iPhone and iPod may make them very good money, but those devices don't cost over 1000$, and their profit margins are still healthy despite being closer to the average for portable devices of the type, and the Apple devices sell themselves on qualitative grounds.

The Apple computers have a couple of qualitative differences, but almost all of the differentiation is Mac OS or pricing. The hardware inside the pretty aluminum cases are pretty much standard, compared to other comparable offerings. And you pay to play. People are losing their purchasing power, and won't always be able to pay, and they will go elsewhere to play.

Elitism doesn't sell for very long. Look at how other companies get vilified for lavish spending and salaries while going down the tubes. Apple isn't going down the tubes, granted. But they need to be realistic in order to stay that way.

nobody is asking for fast and loose junk with an apple logo. People are asking for rational products that make good sense, and carry a reasonable pricetag. REASONABLE. Not cheap, but not crazy expensive, either. A 3000$ server-grade workstation to run dual monitors, or carry a desktop sized hard-drive and RAM, is crazy expensive overkill. Paying for a big built-in monitor when you don't want or need that monitor to be built in is unnecessary, and uncalled for. It works for some, but not for people willing to buy an alternative Apple product that doesn't exist.
 
As long as Apple keeps Mac OS closed to anything but their own hardware, then it is fair game to roundly criticize them for not offering hardware options that do make common sense, and are affordable to the majority of the computer buying public.

I understand not making junk to cater to the "fast and loose" crowd. I understand having standards of design and component quality. Apple can do better than they are doing.

You have hit the nail on the head, in expressing the frustration of us long-time loyal Apple computer customers.
 
Their profitabiltiy is not only a function of their computer hardware. By selling computer hardware that is a step back from the newest edge, they do protect themselves from possible unforseen circumstances, but they charge a LOT of money.

The car analogy falls down on one point. A Ferrari, or a less expensive BMW or Fiat, or even Fiat's other house brands, Alfa Romeo, and Maserati...

All drive on the same roads, with the same steering wheel and pedal arrangment.

Imagine if Ferrari came up with some new way of controlling a car that was inherently better, and then said no one else could use it, even though it is better in many ways.

You mean like clutchless gear box or similar.

All this has happened. The GUI's (dashboard,stearing wheel) the Kernal (engine management), the fuels, services layer of all these cars maybe be different and subject to just as many patents and use restriction as your average computer hardware and OS. Sure Lots of them use the same parts to do much the same job as well it help reduce risk and increase buyer confidence we see the same in computers.

So the only common ground here the road.
For computers the road is the superhighway that generally arrives via a number of twisted pairs.
 
Ferrari is a lousy example

It's nothing to do with feeling superior. It's to do with the positive attributes of a premium product being diluted to appeal to a mass market. If Ferrari tried to make an affordable car for everyone it wouldn't be very 'Ferrari' would it? A crude example but I hope that exemplifies my stance more clearly. If Apple has to charge a little more to keep things 'Apple' - I'm quite happy with that. Not because I'm loaded, just because I appreciate the design and thought of their products.

A Ferrari is not analogous to this situation. Ferrari doesn't put a Honda Accord 4 cylinder engine in the frame of one of their cars and still charge $150,000 for it. The "value" point people are making is that one could buy the same performing hardware for a lot less with another PC maker. Apple chooses to not really play in that arena and it has proven to be smart business for them the last few years. If someone wants more a appealing style, they can pay the extra with Apple, HP, Sony and others --the HP and Sony AIOs are just as expensive and stylish as the iMac (yes, they copied the Apple model). One isn't more special than anyone else simple one possesses a Mac computer. There is nothing wrong with taking pride in the purchase, but belittling others and placing them in a class below yourself, even in jest, is not pleasant.

Apple has really nice industrial design, but signaling that others can't appreciate the fine art as much as you
 
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