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The latest iPhones have been available free on contract in the UK on the launch day ever since the 3G was released.

That's rather missleading.

It works differently in the UK, the iPhone 4 was:

£319 - on a 18 month £35ppm contract or
Free - on a £75ppm 24 month contract
 
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"According to The NPD Group, a leading market research company, Android’s operating system (OS) share of smartphone sales grew to command more than half of the U.S. smartphone market (53 percent) from January through October 2011, as Apple’s iOS share grew to reach 29 percent of the market, and RIM’s OS share declined to 11 percent."

Android doesn't have a share a smartphone sales. Google doesn't sell Android.

This is akin to stating that Rolls-Royce has 30% market share in commercial airliners although Rolls-Royce only manufactures jet engines.

Going by that logic, Apple doesn't sell iOS either (unless you can point me to somewhere I can buy iOS?). They licence you to use it on their hardware.

What Apple does do, alongside all of the members of the OHA distributing handsets, is sell hardware.
 
you can buy an android phone on ANY network from verizon to virgin to cricket to regional plans or track phone services. tis is the same in every country. google will license android to any handset maker. why wouldn't they. even if the product sucks they can't be blamed. i imagine if apple freely license iOS they day they put out their first iPhone android would not even exist. i like that apple makes sure hardware and software work together. i like how easy it is to use iTunes with my phone and now iCloud and match. everything is petty much automatic. i also like that apple watchdogs it's appstore so viruses or any other malicious apps aren't there to screw up my phone. google learned that lesson the hard way and now isn't a free as it used to be. but the big reason i am loyal to apple is because they have the iPad with 100,000 made for the iPad apps. my iPhone has been turned into pretty much a regular phone. i don't even remember the last time i bought an app that wasn't iPad exclusive or universal. and now that i own an iMac, iPhone and iPad and have 1000's in software there is no chance i'm ever gone switch. i'm betting not a whole lot of iOS users switch for this same reason.
 
Forget simplicity, I was more inclined towards a device that would work every time I would turn it on. Same reason why I switched to Mac after about 17 years of dealing with Windows.

I chose the iPad over the other tablets for being a solid performer. Everything just simply works. If I feel trapped by it, I will Jailbreak it (so far, no need for that).

And I had already learned my lesson when I decided to buy the greatest Windows phone ever at that time (Touch Pro 2) over the iPhone. I'm still regretting it, dealing with that P.O.S. phone that already got replaced by T-Mo about 5 times. I'll get an iPhone as soon as I'm convinced that AT&T is not going to suck all my money with their 'friendly' data plans.
I did exactly the same thing based on the fact I started to dislike building my own PCs that always had problems with drivers etc. iMac, MacBook, iPad, iPhone... you could say Apple have stolen my technical sole, but they all work without crying "driver/BSOD" problems.

Jailbreaking for me is like Windows/Linux. Always a hole for something to plung itself in and break. I tried it, disliked it and why destable a stable device I asked myself?

There's no point for anyone here to play "this one is better because....". The facts are that iOS (premium smartphone) and Android (floodmarketgate) will continue to grow unless another corporate has the next big thing and markets it well.

It's just a shame RIM have lost the plot a little and WebOS has literally died because of HPs ability to kill a good product under its own wings.
 
Another pointless argument about quantity vs quality. Its not shocking that Android taking lion share of the market. You got ONE iPhone with ONE iOS and you got ONE android with....

Maybe copy and paste and some of the phones are not available on US market. Also sorry for waste of macrumors page but you got the picture...

Exactly! Great post to drive the point.
 
Doesn't arguing about iOS and Android ever get old? Lets look at the facts, both are going NOWHERE. But, there is room for a third mainstream (but smaller than Android or iOS). Who will it be? BB OS10? WP7?
 
I think you'll find that the 4S ***** on the Samsung Galaxy sII in all benchmarks... let alone the actual usability.

not everything is about benchmarks and specs tho. some people just want a different phone simple as that. some people want a bigger screen so they will buy an samsung, some people want a pretty apple phone they'll get an iphone. some people just dont want iOS or bother with iTunes so they will get an Android, some people want to use the iCloud and iOS apps so they will get an iPhone ... it goes on and on.

those arguments about who has the bigger .... are soooooo annoying. why try changing ones mind, there's enough space for everyone or does an Android phone in your environment somehow physically hurt you?

imagine if there were no choices, we'd all be stuck in 1998 still playing snake
 
Doesn't arguing about iOS and Android ever get old? Lets look at the facts, both are going NOWHERE. But, there is room for a third mainstream (but smaller than Android or iOS). Who will it be? BB OS10? WP7?
Wow, who put you on planet zonk? :rolleyes: iOS and Android going no-where? The graph speaks for itself.
 
That's rather missleading.

It works differently in the UK, the iPhone 4 was:

£319 - on a 18 month £35ppm contract or
Free - on a £75ppm 254 month contract

I was answering another member who said the iPhone 4 was offered free after being on sale for a number of months.

You don't have to sign up for a £75 contract to get it free, you can get a 16GB 4S free for as little as £41 per month on a two year contract.
 
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And Apple controls most of the profit.

Be careful what you wish for - a one horse race isn't good for anyone. A one race horse tends to get slow and lazy.

LOL.

Nokia + RIM + Windows Phone = multi-horse race before iPhone

That turned out to be really innovative. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I can only say to people here that of the three people I work with who had iPhones (other people had other brands) All of those three people have since upgraded to Android phones.
No-one I know has changed from a high end Android phone to an iPhone.

They were all happy to get away from iTunes. In fact one guy is looking to buy a Samsung tablet. I did ask about getting and iPad, but he told me he did not want to have to be locked into iTunes again (as he was with his phone a year ago) and didn't want to back down that road.
Now he's experienced being able to do as he wants with his phone, he wants the same freedom from his tablet.

I do wonder, if a percentage of people will do this?

You will be surprise as how small the percentage would be. The tech savvy crowd is very very small but usually yell the loudest (especially those that like to tinker with their phones). Unless there is a phone with ports all around it and battery that last like a century in a single charge, there will be complains. That's why we hear more complains then complements. The complains are usually from tech savvy who'd like to build nuclear devices out of their phone and this percentage is even smaller.
 
Depends what context you are talking about. If the BB your wife has has a qwerty keyboard, how on earth does it trump the touchscreen typing?

My experience with the Bold 9700 was pretty satisfactory. Great step up from any bog standard candy phone and does communication just as well as the iPhone. Being a tech-person, I had to give in to the iPhone 4 when it released as I had no use of the Blackberry's more plus points (BB-Messenger etc). If I had to swap my iPhone, I'd have RIM over Android anyday.
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She has the curve 9330. Maybe that is the problem. Her issues with the bb are that is it difficult to browse the web, watch videos, listen to music, switch from one app to another, add new music and ringtones. Everything just seems to be a hassle other than reading email and typing using the keyboard.

Here is one example. She wanted to change the email address on her bb. She needed a bb user id and password to edit the email address? On the iPhone I just tap settings -> etc.
 
You will be surprise as how small the percentage would be. The tech savvy crowd is very very small but usually yell the loudest (especially those that like to tinker with their phones). Unless there is a phone with ports all around it and battery that last like a century in a single charge, there will be complains. That's why we hear more complains then complements. The complains are usually from tech savvy who'd like to build nuclear devices out of their phone and this percentage is even smaller.

Online games like World of Warcraft suffer from the same problem. A very small percentage of people actually go on the forums to complain about the games, but the ones that do are irritating know-it-all condescending asshats that think they can solve everything. Both Blizz and Steve acknowledge that asking someone what they want and bowing to every demand from a vocal minority is a surefire way to release a ****** product.

The customer satisfaction ratings speak for themselves. The vast majority of iPhone users love their phone. If Android is made for a particular crowd, and that crowd likes, it, that's not surprising.
 
Another pointless argument about quantity vs quality. Its not shocking that Android taking lion share of the market. You got ONE iPhone with ONE iOS and you got ONE android with....

Going by your logic, if Apple were to produce 150 models of iPhone, they would have 99% market share and sell 1 billion units per quarter.

Obviously, it doesn't work that way. There's cross-model canabilization of sales. This isn't a simple linear function (more models = more sales). :rolleyes:

Your argument is as pointless as the argument of "quantity vs quality". There are Android phones that have the same level of quality of the iPhone out there. In the end, you can't really judge which platform is superior based on business models, nor can we even know the reasons people buy one over the other (the reason obviously varies per individual).
 
I've used Blackberries, iPhones, and Android phones during the last four and a half years. In my subjective opinion, the iPhone is the best platform for my personal and professional needs. I went from iPhone to Android a little less than a year and a half ago, and I switched back to the iPhone two months ago.

My initial fondness for Android wore off quickly after the Droid X I was using began to reboot randomly during calls or just while the phone was in standby. If my experience with the Droid X says anything about Android as a whole, fragmentation is a HUGE problem for the platform and it was very, very frustrating to endure. I would wait for Android OS updates which had been available months earlier for other handsets that were released at the same time or before the Droid X was.

My first experience having to wipe the phone (as a possible solution to the rebooting problem per VZW) wasn't a positive one. Unlike the polish I was used to with iOS (where text messages and call history are backed up with everything else in iTunes), I discovered that I had lost every last one of my text messages and my entire call history because I didn't download a third-party app from the Android Market to back those things up. C'mon, it's 2011 and the capability to back up SMS's and call history isn't built into the OS?!?

The last straw was a few months ago after my second "wipe the phone and reload everything" adventure. For a few weeks following the wipe and reload, the phone worked well; but soon after, the phone began to reboot on its own a few times a week. I know it's great for many folks, but my experience with Android left a sour taste in my mouth that I won't soon forget.

Same here. Had to wipe my phone and lost everything. So much for 'customizing' a device.. You can't even back up anything unless you root.. And if you're using Mac, that's nearly impossible to do. Android isn't professional.
 
Going by your logic, if Apple were to produce 150 models of iPhone, they would have 99% market share and sell 1 billion units per quarter.

But I think it does matter in another sense. The phone I had before iPhone was a Sony Ericsson T610 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_T610). What OS did it run you ask? Hell, I don't even care. If you looked it up and told me, I still wouldn't care. If you told me it was 0.00001% of the market share, I STILL wouldn't care. That was a freaking awesome cellphone and you aren't going to convince me of anything with market share graphs or Open Source business models.

However, if I bought that same class of phone, it would probably be running some derivative of Android. As near as I can tell, every phone Sony makes now is Android. Does that mean I CARE that it runs Android? Did I CHOOSE Android as my life goal in buying the phone? Hell no. Just like I don't care what my T610 ran, I also don't care what generic android device #6411 runs. In other words, if I choose to be loyal to Sony Ericsson based on my positive experience with the T610, I probably have no choice but to get an Android phone now. Not every phone is the Samsung Jesus SII that died for your closed source sins.

I know its hard for some people to grasp, and I'm not talking to anyone directly, but not everyone picks a cellphone based on the OS. The fact that Android is a cheaper solution than rolling your own Cell OS gives it higher numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the consumer's choice. Conversely, people are choosing the iPhone because it's an iPhone probably every time; or at least arguably more often.
 
But I think it does matter in another sense. The phone I had before iPhone was a Sony Ericsson T610 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_T610). What OS did it run you ask? Hell, I don't even care. If you looked it up and told me, I still wouldn't care. If you told me it was 0.00001% of the market share, I STILL wouldn't care. That was a freaking awesome cellphone and you aren't going to convince me of anything with market share graphs or Open Source business models.

However, if I bought that same class of phone, it would probably be running some derivative of Android. As near as I can tell, every phone Sony makes now is Android. Does that mean I CARE that it runs Android? Did I CHOOSE Android as my life goal in buying the phone? Hell no. Just like I don't care what my T610 ran, I also don't care what generic android device #6411 runs. In other words, if I choose to be loyal to Sony Ericsson based on my positive experience with the T610, I probably have no choice but to get an Android phone now. Not every phone is the Samsung Jesus SII that died for your closed source sins.

I know its hard for some people to grasp, and I'm not talking to anyone directly, but not everyone picks a cellphone based on the OS. The fact that Android is a cheaper solution than rolling your own Cell OS gives it higher numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the consumer's choice. Conversely, people are choosing the iPhone because it's an iPhone probably every time; or at least arguably more often.

well said, i bet half the people dont even know what an OS is. speaking from my own experience.

"hey i got a new phone"
- "is it an android?"
"no mmmh i think its a samsung"

"hey my iPhone isnt booting, what can i do"
- "are you running the latest iOS?"
"iWhat?"

"hey i want to upgrade my pc"
- "do u have vista or 7?"
"i have office 2003 i think"

and my favorite

"i got an iPhone today but its not turning on"
- "did u install iTunes?"
"what is iTunes?"
- "...... -.-"
"ok i installed it"
- "do u mean downloaded it?"
"yes i downloaded it i think, but how do i get the iTunes on my Phone"
- .... KILLMENOW
 
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Another pointless argument about quantity vs quality. Its not shocking that Android taking lion share of the market. You got ONE iPhone with ONE iOS and you got ONE android with....

Aava Mobile
Acer beTouch E110
Acer beTouch E130
Acer beTouch E400
Acer Liquid A1
Acer Liquid E
Acer Liquid E Ferrari
Acer Liquid Stream
Alcatel OT-980
Altek Leo
Apanda A60
BoostMobile i1
Chinavision The Robot Superphone CVNC-M80
Commtiva Z71
Compulab Exceda
Dell Aero
Dell Benzine
Dell Blaze
Dell Flash
Dell OPhone Mini 3i
Dell Smoke
Dell Thunder
Dopod A6288
Era G1
Facebook ?
Fly-ying Cool F910
Foxda FC8901
Fujitsu ?
Garmin A10
Garmin Garminfone
Geeks’Phone One
General Mobile Brava
General Mobile Cosmos
General Mobile Cosmos 2
General Mobile DSTL1 Imaginary

General Mobile Touch Stone
Gigabyte G1305
Gigabyte GSmart
Gigabyte GSmart Codfish
Gigabyte S1305
Google Ion
Google Nexus One
Haier H7
Haier Tapas
Highscreen PP5420
Highscreen Zeus
Hisense HS-E90
HKC Imobile v413
HKC Pearl
HTC Aria (Formerly HTC Liberty)
HTC Bahamas
HTC Bee
HTC Blitz
HTC Desire (Formerly HTC Bravo)

HTC Desire 2
HTC Desire HD (Formerly HTC Ace)
HTC Desire Z
HTC Dream
HTC Droid Eris
HTC Droid Incredible
HTC Droid Incredible HD
HTC Emerald
HTC EVO 4G (Formerly HTC Supersonic)
HTC Fiesta
HTC Glacier
HTC Halo
HTC Hero

HTC Hero 2
HTC HSPA+ Android
HTC Huangshan
HTC Lancaster
HTC Legend
HTC Lexicon
HTC Liberty
HTC Magic
HTC Memphis

HTC Merge
HTC Paradise
HTC Predator
HTC Salsa
HTC Sapphire
HTC Schubert
HTC Scorpion
HTC Speedy
HTC Tattoo (Formerly HTC Click)
HTC Tianyi
HTC Vanguard
HTC Vision
HTC Wildfire
Huawei Ideos U8150

HTC Merge
HTC Paradise
HTC Predator
HTC Salsa
HTC Sapphire
HTC Schubert
HTC Scorpion
HTC Speedy
HTC Tattoo (Formerly HTC Click)
HTC Tianyi
HTC Vanguard
HTC Vision
HTC Wildfire
Huawei Ideos U8150
Huawei CHT8000
Huawei Movistar IVY
Huawei RBM2 Der Allrounder
Huawei U8100
Huawei U8110
Huawei U8220
Huawei U8226
Huawei U8230
Huawei U8300
Huawei U8800
i-mobile 8500

Innocomm Skate
Innocomm Shark
INQ^1
INQ Chat 3G
INQ Mini 3G
Koolu Freerunner
Kyocera ZIO M6000
Lenovo LePhone
Lenovo OPhone
LG Ally
LG Andro-1
LG enV Touch 2
LG GT540 Optimus
LG GT540 Swift
LG GW620 Eve
LG GW620 Linkme
LG GW880 Amundsen
LG GW880 Etna
LG InTouch Max
LG KH5200
LG KU9500 Optimus Z
LG Loop
LG LU2300 Eclipse
LG Optimus Chic
LG Optimus One with Google
LG Optimus Q
LG Optimus Z
LG Prada 3
LG SU950

LG Vortex
Lumigon E1
Lumigon S1
Lumigon T1
Meizu M9
Motorola Backflip MB501 (Formerly Motorola Motus)
Motorola Charm MB502 (Formerly Motorola Basil)
Motorola Citus WX445
Motorola CLIQ MB200 (Formerly Motorola Morrison)
Motorola CLIQ XT MB300 (Formerly Motorola Zeppelin)
Motorola Defy
Motorola Devour A555 (Formerly Motorola Calgary)
Motorola DEXT
Motorola Droid A855 (Formerly Motorola Sholes)
Motorola Droid 2 MB810 (Formerly Motorola Shadow)

Motorola Droid 2 R2-D2 Edition
Motorola Droid 2 World Edition A956
Motorola Droid Pro A957
Motorola Droid X
Motorola Flipout MB511 (Formerly Motorola Ruth)
Motorola Heron
Motorola i1 (Formerly Motorola Opus)
Motorola Jordan
Motorola LaJolla
Motorola Milestone XT720
Motorola Milestone 2
Motorola Ming A1680
Motorola Ming MT810
Motorola Ming XT806
Motorola Mirage
Motorola MOTO Milestone XT701
Motorola MOTO MT710
Motorola MOTO XT800
Motorola Motoglam
Motorola Motoqrty

Motorola Motoroi
Motorola Quench
Motorola Sage (Formerly known as the Asena and Gallardo)
Motorola XT610
NTT DoCoMo ?
Openmoko GTA02
Oppo ?
Orange Boston
Orange Project JAL
Orange San Franciso
Orange Tactile Internet
Pantech IWA600S Sirius
Pantech Sirius Sky
Philips V808
Philips V900
Qigi i6
Russian Technologies ?
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Samsung Apollo
Samsung Beam i8520
Samsung Behold
Samsung Behold II
Samsung Bigfoot
Samsung Captivate
Samsung Continum I400
Samsung Corby
Samsung Epic 4G
Samsung Fascinate SGH-I500
Samsung Galaxy

Samsung Galaxy 3 i5801
Samsung Galaxy 5 i5503
Samsung Galaxy A
Samsung Galaxy Apollo i5800
Samsung Galaxy Beam i8520 (Formerly Samsung Halo)
Samsung Galaxy i5510
Samsung Galaxy Lite
Samsung Galaxy Mini
Samsung Galaxy Naos
Samsung Galaxy Portal
Samsung Galaxy Q
Samsung Galaxy S
Samsung Galaxy S2 I9200
Samsung Galaxy S Pro
Samsung Galaxy Teos
Samsung Galaxy U
Samsung Gem
Samsung Houdini
Samsung i899
Samsung i5500
Samsung i5700
Samsung i6500
Samsung i7500

Samsung InstincQ m900
Samsung Intercept
Samsung M100S
Samsung Moment
Samsung Saturn
Samsung Spica
Samsung Vibrant
Sanyo ZIO by Kyocera
Saygus VPhone V1
SciPhone N12
SciPhone N16
SciPhone N17
SciPhone N19
SciPhone N21
Sharp IS01
Sharp LYNX SH-10B
Sharp Tapas
Sony Ericsson Infinity
Sony Ericsson PSP ?
Sony Ericsson Robyn
Sony Ericsson Sunny
Sony Ericsson Susan
Sony Ericsson Xperia X8
Sony Ericsson Xperia X10
Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini

Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro
Sony Ericsson Yendo
Sunno S880
T-Mobile G1
T-Mobile G1 Blaze
T-Mobile G2
T-Mobile G2 Touch
T-Mobile myTouch 2
T-Mobile myTouch 3G
T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide
T-Mobile myTouch HD
T-Mobile Pulse
T-Mobile Pulse Mini
T-Mobile Sidekick
Tianyu Tapas
Tiger G3
TWM T1
Ulysse Nardin Chairman
Vibo A688
Vodaphone 845
Yuhua Tel X2
ZTE Black
ZTE Racer
ZTE Smooth

Maybe copy and paste and some of the phones are not available on US market. Also sorry for waste of macrumors page but you got the picture...

Your post really pisses me off. Because you posted it before I could. ;)

Well put. This is exactly what's going on. And quite a few of the "contenders" on that list are of dubious quality at best.

But that's what you get when you don't control the entire process from cradle to grave. Throw your free OS (and if you've used it, you wouldn't pay for it, either) to everyone and their dog and watch your share grow.
 
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