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I don't understand why you're comparing OS versions to apps. Even by your own description Android "3.0 was a tablet only version" so I'm puzzled by the attempt to compare Apple's iOS strategy (i.e., one unified OS that runs across their entire mobile platform) versus a fragmented Android OS with versions intended specifically for a given class of product. No offense intended by this but it seems you're trying to weasel around a bit and have it both ways--denying Android fragmentation exists while invoking it as a design choice.

It seems you don't understand the fragmentation the iPad version of iOS brings about. :rolleyes:
 
+1. Look at their plans over the next several years: Windows phones, Windows 8 desktop, Windows 8 tablets, and the rumor is that even the upcoming Xbox 720 console will run a version of Windows 8. If MS can pull off a tight integration of all these devices, their market share numbers could very well increase by a large margin.

Afaik the original version of the Xbox ran a "version" of "Windows" (basically, a rework of DirectX - hence X-box). The same is true for 360. Seems reasonable to expect the 720 to follow the trend. More interesting is the way in which portability can be improved. For example, why MSFT fail to make use of their Xbox legacy in providing close-to-free (legacy) games for their portable devices still baffle me. Its not like they'll sell a bunch of them as is.

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I don't understand how iTunes seems so difficult to many people. You drag and drop music and it shows under 'Music'. You can create playlists. You can drag and drop videos as long as they're in the supported format. Which music app do you use on your computer?

None, currently. In the past, winamp. More recently, Spotify (and winamp on occasion). Anyway, an anecdote. Last night, my girlfriend wanted to listen to an audio book. After a while, she realized one chapter was missing; somehow she had removed it from iTunes. She imported it, only to find that it ended up in a different folder. She then tried moving it to the right folder without success. One would assume a simple drag and drop, or even copy, would suffice. But no, not in iTunes-land.

Sure, i could do a playlist, cross-adding the files. But playlists are hardly an optimal solution for sorting your files.

That said, I'm sure I'm just holding it wrong. The program can't be that stupid. Thing is, its still stupid enough to evidently break convention, in turn flunking UE 101.
 
Nice to see my 2 favorite platforms doing so well. I am really hoping we can get a 3rd wheel on this chariot in the form of Windows platform though. Really would like to see 3 companies pushing the industry forward, as opposed to 1 or 2.
 
But I think it does matter in another sense. The phone I had before iPhone was a Sony Ericsson T610 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_T610). What OS did it run you ask? Hell, I don't even care. If you looked it up and told me, I still wouldn't care. If you told me it was 0.00001% of the market share, I STILL wouldn't care. That was a freaking awesome cellphone and you aren't going to convince me of anything with market share graphs or Open Source business models.

However, if I bought that same class of phone, it would probably be running some derivative of Android. As near as I can tell, every phone Sony makes now is Android. Does that mean I CARE that it runs Android? Did I CHOOSE Android as my life goal in buying the phone? Hell no. Just like I don't care what my T610 ran, I also don't care what generic android device #6411 runs. In other words, if I choose to be loyal to Sony Ericsson based on my positive experience with the T610, I probably have no choice but to get an Android phone now. Not every phone is the Samsung Jesus SII that died for your closed source sins.

I know its hard for some people to grasp, and I'm not talking to anyone directly, but not everyone picks a cellphone based on the OS. The fact that Android is a cheaper solution than rolling your own Cell OS gives it higher numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the consumer's choice. Conversely, people are choosing the iPhone because it's an iPhone probably every time; or at least arguably more often.

That's very true, but I feel that the same *might* be applicable for iOS as well. Heck I chose the iPhone 4 when it launched more for it's beautiful hardware, not the software. If given the chance, I would consider putting ICS on it... :D

I know many people who bought an iPhone because it was simply an Apple product. There's usually a grain of truth in most hyperboles - those Samsung ads for instance.

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OK, here is a post from a recent convert to Android, from iOS. I did it not because I like Android better, I will get to that, but because I can get a monthly, no-contract phone on Virgin Mobile (using Sprint network) for $35.00/month. Enough minutes and unlimited data.

First let me say that anyone who says Android is as nice a user interface, or as elegant as iOS is high. I was appalled at how inferior Android is vs iOS. And guess why? I was comparing iOS 5 to Android 2.3. But I thought Android is already up to 4.0? Yeah, but over 95% of phones are STILL running Android 2.1 to 2.3.X. Check it out here if you don't believe me.

I learned they call that Android "fragmentation." Nice. Reminds me of my old Windows days, having to defrag my drive.

So all these Apple haters saying how good Android is, are basing that decision on Apple's latest and greatest vs the Android OS, at 2 major versions behind. That is so funny.

Imagine buying a new iPhone and getting iOS.. wait... it wasn't even called iOS @ version 2. LOL. That's how far Android users are behind Apple.

The only reason why Android is more popular is because it's on *many* more phones. If Google had a single phone Android ran on vs the iPhone, it's no contest. Game over. That's like saying Windows XP is better than Mac OS because more people are using it. A stupid argument.

I was shocked at how bad the icons looked, the clunky interface with all kinds of buttons on the bottom of the phone. The way my entire phone explodes apart if dropped from two feet. Boom, there goes the phone, the back case comes off and my battery goes flying. I like how my iPhone stayed in one piece.

In closing, Android is made for one of three types of people. 1. You hate Apple. 2. You've never used Apple. 3. You just want a cheap smart phone/plan.

Holding my iPod Touch with iOS 5 and my Android 2.3 phone. Yeah, I can see how iOS is in trouble.... what a joke. iOS is so far ahead of this junk.

So remember, next time you Android guys compare it to iOS, make sure you are comparing what 95% of people are using, 2.3 or previous. Just to help you out. iOS 5 > Android 2.3.X :)

You Android guys give me a good laugh when I need it.

Bryan

Why 2.3? Cause your broad generalizations don't apply to ICS?
 
I know many people who bought an iPhone because it was simply an Apple product.

That logo actually stands for something, and consumers know what it is. A company has to actually get there, to the point where consumers are buying based on trust in that logo.
 
I really don't see how this is possible because Nokia's CEO swears that the 13-25 y.o. set are bored w/ iOS and perplexed by Android. (obviously he caught Ballmeritis the last dual press conf. the two had) :D
 
Why 2.3? Cause your broad generalizations don't apply to ICS?

Ok. Let's debate, I'll bring an iPhone with iOS 5, and you bring an Android phone with 4.0. I'll be waiting at the Apple Genius Bar (not holding my breath).

Bryan
 
I don't understand why you're comparing OS versions to apps. Even by your own description Android "3.0 was a tablet only version" so I'm puzzled by the attempt to compare Apple's iOS strategy (i.e., one unified OS that runs across their entire mobile platform) versus a fragmented Android OS with versions intended specifically for a given class of product. No offense intended by this but it seems you're trying to weasel around a bit and have it both ways--denying Android fragmentation exists while invoking it as a design choice.



You make it sound like this level of fragmentation was intentional. Seems doubtful to me. It seems more likely to me that it's the by-product of Google constantly trying to stay on top of the market without putting too much effort into unifying their OS. IOW, fast but sloppy work.

No he's saying that 3.0 shouldn't be counted when talking about smartphones as it's a tablet only OS. It's a design choice Google made just as Apple chose to allow iPad specific apps...

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Ok. Let's debate, I'll bring an iPhone with iOS 5, and you bring an Android phone with 4.0. I'll be waiting at the Apple Genius Bar (not holding my breath).

Bryan

Besides your invitation to "debate" this, I don't know what the rest of your post is supposed to imply. You are a Genius (employee of Apple)? And believe me, I use iOS 5 on a daily basis. I like it, but I've seen enough from ICS to know that it has a very compelling feature set. WebOS-like multitasking for instance.
 
The more you know.

Yes, the more I know, the more I realize Android sux0rz. I'm sorry, I didn't know that 3.0 wasn't even available for phones. I'm sure that sucked for Android fans.

So my 2.3 is really start of the art Android? OMG, so I was comparing Apples to Apples here with iOS 5 and Android 2.3. It's more clear now. I was giving Android the benefit of the doubt because I thought it was just the carriers fault. But now that I know that 2.3 is the shiznit, iOS just took a few more leaps and bounds ahead of Android.

Am holding Android and iOS right now, both in front of me. The user experience isn't even in the same universe, let alone galaxy, solar system, planet, ball park...

I didn't realize Apple was so far ahead. Thank you for opening my eyes.

And now I know.

Bryan
 
Besides your invitation to "debate" this, I don't know what the rest of your post is supposed to imply. You are a Genius (employee of Apple)?

Because you wanted to know why I'm not comparing ICS to iOS 5. I just meant you would have a hard time finding an Android phone with ICS and I'd be waiting a while. iOS 5 is here *now* so I can only compare what Android has to offer *now*.

iOS (5) > Android (2.3X) is all.

Bryan

PS I am not an employee of Apple
 
Because you wanted to know why I'm not comparing ICS to iOS 5. I just meant you would have a hard time finding an Android phone with ICS and I'd be waiting a while. iOS 5 is here *now* so I can only compare what Android has to offer *now*.

iOS (5) > Android (2.3X) is all.

Bryan

Why do you assume I am American? Because I could easily walk into an Apple store holding a Galaxy Nexus right now.

In my honest opinion:

iOS 5 > (but by only a very slight margin) ICS > (slightly wider gap) WP 7 > (big gap) Android 2.3 > (Grand Canyon) Blackberry -.- (which pains me to say, being Canadian!)
 
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One iPhone you say?

iPhone 2G
iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS
iPhone 4
iPhone 4S

Each of those phones comes with multiple size variants, when I persuaded my parents and grandparents to get iPhones when they wanted their first smartphone, asking me how many GB's they needed, and more importantly, what was a GB.

And one iOS you say?

iOS 1.1.5
iOS 2.0
iOS 2.2
iOS 3
iOS 3.1.3
iOS 4.0
iOS 4.2
iOS 4.2.1
iOS 4.3
iOS 5

I know it's far less, and less confusing, but if you're going to throw bold statements around like that, at least make sure there is some truth to it. :rolleyes:

Nice strawman.


"A straw man argument is a rhetorical device that is meant to easily prove that one’s position or argument is superior to an opposing argument. However, the straw man argument is regarded as a logical fallacy, because at its core, the person using the device misrepresents the other person's argument. The person does this because it then becomes easier to knock down the weaker version of the opposing argument with one's more substantial counter argument. The term straw man derives from the use of scarecrows for military practice, such as charges. In reality, a scarecrow is far easier to defeat than an actual person."
http://e.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-straw-man-argument.htm
 
Why do you assume I am American? Because I could easily walk into an Apple store holding a Galaxy Nexus right now.

Just out of habit. American's only think about themselves.

I actually like the video Google put up one the ICS site. It looks like it has some nice features and looks 1000x better than what I have now. My first grip is with the carriers, who take the OS then carve it up. The Apple garden is nice and manicured and I know I always have the latest and greatest.

The stuff I read about Android, in that some apps won't even work with the same version of the OS on another carrier, for instance, really freaked me out, having been with Apple for almost my entire cell phone life.

My only real issue with switching, and it's on Apple, is the DRM in my audio books. The sh@t I had to go through getting them legally on my Android was a nightmare. I just gave up and am using my iPod Touch as my audiobook reader.

I did like how easy it was for my Google stuff to be used with Android, as it obviously would be. My major gripe with Google is that their services are great, but it all looks like crap.

Bryan
 
Just out of habit. American's only think about themselves.

I'll keep that in mind the next time there are riots in some European country b/c of a new austerity budget to prevent that country from going into default. You know whenever there is a natural disaster in a less developed country it's always Americans (not the gov't but the people,) who are first to dig into their wallets to donate aid. So please spare us the stereotype.
 
It seems you don't understand the fragmentation the iPad version of iOS brings about. :rolleyes:

And it seems to me that you are trying to make a much bigger deal out of iPad-only apps to equate that with Google declaring an entire version of their OS as tablet-only. Sure, both of those are examples of fragmentation in a platform, but one is minor while the other is enormous. To me, there's a world of difference between those two things.
 
The stuff I read about Android, in that some apps won't even work with the same version of the OS on another carrier,

Example?

for instance, really freaked me out, having been with Apple for almost my entire cell phone life.

Then it must REALLY freak you out that we cannot run some of the same iOS apps on devices with the "same" OS version, either because of different amounts of memory, cpu speed, screen resolution, or simply because Apple decided to disable a feature... just to make us upgrade our phone.

The point is, we cannot easily equate the updates for the two ecosystems.

For instance, every Android phone, no matter how old, has multitasking, and can have its core apps like Google Maps updated independently of the OS.

Apple puts out updates to all devices using the same version number, but they don't actually update all those devices equally. E.g. no MMS, no multitasking, no Siri. So to the naive, it doesn't look fragmented, but it really is.

Even the update purposes are quite different. Apple's updates are mostly adding core features that Android has always had. Likewise, Android updates are often adding UI features that iOS always had. Pretty soon, the two OSs will meet, feature-wise, in the middle and both will continue on from there.
 
And it seems to me that you are trying to make a much bigger deal out of iPad-only apps to equate that with Google declaring an entire version of their OS as tablet-only. Sure, both of those are examples of fragmentation in a platform, but one is minor while the other is enormous. To me, there's a world of difference between those two things.

Indeed, one is enormous - but its not the one you think.
 
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