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Android and iPhone Own Nearly The Entire U.S. Smartphone Market
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made me laugh - I needed that
For the sake of healthy competiton, I'm really rooting for the new Windows phone to take off. I would also love Blackberry come out with some great phones and recover. I'd much rather have four solid OS options rather than two.
But in both cases I'm not exactly holding my breath.
But in both cases I'm not exactly holding my breath.
Release date. Don't you know that anything released after a certain product is automatically branded a copy?
Why didn't Google announce an amazing new OS and phone on January 9, 2007?
Because it didn't exist.
You gotta remember... the mobile phone industry was pretty stale back then. Just 2 days before Apple's iPhone announcement... Palm announced yet another crappy Treo. Yikes.
Google didn't even announce Android and the whole Open Handset Alliance until 11 months after Apple announced the iPhone... and the first Android phone didn't come out until 22 months after the iPhone was first announced.
Strange timing indeed.
Who knows what Google would have done if it wasn't for the iPhone... they were sitting on Android since 2005.
I would feel better for Android if there were Android phones before the iPhone... and Android tablets before the iPad.
But there weren't. Apple jumpstarted this new mobile revolution. Everything afterwards... you decide.
Google was racing to knock off the Blackberry ... until they saw the iPhones instant success. They changed course and knocked off the iPhone instead.
Then they whore'd out the OS for any company to use on any quality of hardware the manufacturers desired. Dozens of handset models flooded the market, low prices, freebies, 2 for 1's. The carriers are only too happy to push the Android phones because the margins are better. Hence you get the clueless kids flogging Android junk in the stores.
That's what you do when you're not laser beam focused on the user experience. Throw enough into the market, advertise the hell out of it, give resellers incentive to promote and voila a sub par product catches up on market share.
Bunch of hype, brainwashing and coercing consumers into a lessor user experience.
A very very low percentage of consumers are interested in hacks or updating roms to get their phones to work better. They just want their phone to work, get updates when needed, and last but not least, apps play a very important role in the user experience. Android falls so far short on important details. A train wreck of an OS in my experience.
I guess the last months of Job's live spent trying to destroy android while ignoring his family was well spent.
Windows Phone Has Potential
Microsoft isn't going to give up on Windows Phone. They don't have choice because mobile computing is the future of computing. Microsoft hasn't really made a push on Windows Phone. I never see commercials for it. (I can't turn around without seeing a commercial for Apple.) I think Microsoft is waiting on Nokia to enter the U.S. market before they begin their big marketing campaign. The Nokia 900 hasn't started selling in the U.S. yet. It will be on sale for $99 beginning in April. The Zune HD wasn't a bad product. Microsoft just never marketed it.
Microsoft isn't going to give up on Windows Phone. They don't have choice because mobile computing is the future of computing. Microsoft hasn't really made a push on Windows Phone. I never see commercials for it. (I can't turn around without seeing a commercial for Apple.) I think Microsoft is waiting on Nokia to enter the U.S. market before they begin their big marketing campaign. The Nokia 900 hasn't started selling in the U.S. yet. It will be on sale for $99 beginning in April. The Zune HD wasn't a bad product. Microsoft just never marketed it.
Nokia has never been very big in the US. Even when they were dominating the market in Europe they never did much here except sell cheap/free dumb phones. so I don't expect to see their wp7 experiment take off here.
Andy Rubin was a manufacturing engineer at Apple for a while, then left in 1993 to help work on Magic Cap, and later formed Danger Inc who did the popular Sidekick. Then he co-founded Android in 2003, 11 years after leaving Apple.
Now Apple is claiming that Rubin reported to someone at Apple back in 1990-ish who worked on an obscure OS patent that Apple is suing HTC over. Not a mobile OS. Not iOS.
Android was not after Blackberry. (That was something that young intern got wrong, along with a lot of other stuff.)
Not only would that not make any business sense at all back then, but it also was abundantly clear that Android's UI and even their development phones were modeled more after Windows Mobile.
Microsoft did market Windows Phone pretty hard back in 2010 at the WP7 launch. It's just WP7 didn't go anywhere despite the aggressive marketing. Remember these ads?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdpQir1sqiQ
On a side note, the ad above does tell you something that's amiss with Windows Phone 7's design philosophy, as does the recent "Smoked by Windows Phone" promotion. It's clear that Microsoft made a lot of effort into making Windows Phone 7 a device where you can see/do your thing and get out as quickly as possible. They actually really pushed that as an advantage. However it turned out people actually like spending time doing things on their smartphones. I think there must've been a grave misunderstanding of user behavior at the project planning stage.
The Kin was a dead end project the day it started so do not look much into that one.
I hope WP7 fails, and puts a hole in Microsoft's deep pockets. I just hate MS for failing to improve Windows. You still see blue screens of death. They still have the registry system which slows down installs/updates. Windows Update takes forever and sometimes errors out. Mac OS updates are quick and always finish (crossing fingers ).
RIM is just waiting to be bought by Apple, Google, or MS. They are done. They had 5 years to do something but they haven't done anything.
).RIM is just waiting to be bought by Apple, Google, or MS. They are done. They had 5 years to do something but they haven't done anything.
That 5% number for RIM is mind blowing. Has any company squandered/mis-managed a brand (in N America) worse than they have in the past 5 years? I cant think of one. Very sad as I WAS a 6 year BB owner
Palm. They had the best (as in most-usable, and affordable, if not the most high-spec) PDAs on the market for years. Then they sat on their laurels and watched as their competitors started offering near-equivalent devices. Not updating their devices or OS for several years pretty much killed them. My analysis? Spinning off into an OS company and a hardware company was the killing blow.
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And don't forget "Plays for Sure".
I hope WP7 fails, and puts a hole in Microsoft's deep pockets. I just hate MS for failing to improve Windows. You still see blue screens of death. They still have the registry system which slows down installs/updates. Windows Update takes forever and sometimes errors out. Mac OS updates are quick and always finish (crossing fingers
RIM is just waiting to be bought by Apple, Google, or MS. They are done. They had 5 years to do something but they haven't done anything.
Where do you see these blue screens of death? I haven't a blue screen of death since Windows 98. Which version of Windows are you using?
Of course, who buys Windows phones (retarded) and Blackberries (old-fashioned)?
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I saw one in Windows 7 just a week ago.
And they still have the stupid registry systems and stuff. It's still trash.
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I saw one in Windows 7 just a week ago.
And they still have the stupid registry systems and stuff. It's still trash.
Very premature. WP is just getting started. You have to ignore the 7 next to it and just think of it as WP1. The former were just Windows Mobile, something completely different and truly can't relate to WP.
Market share wasn't anything stellar for the first iPhone and version of iOS either. Microsoft has the money to float the boat until the ship rights itself - and it will.
WP is the only truly innovative mobile OS out there right now. I'm hoping it flourishes and pushes iOS and Android to keep up.
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Release date. Don't you know that anything released after a certain product is automatically branded a copy?
Why didn't Google announce an amazing new OS and phone on January 9, 2007?
Because it didn't exist.
You gotta remember... the mobile phone industry was pretty stale back then. Just 2 days before Apple's iPhone announcement... Palm announced yet another crappy Treo. Yikes.
Google didn't even announce Android and the whole Open Handset Alliance until 11 months after Apple announced the iPhone... and the first Android phone didn't come out until 22 months after the iPhone was first announced.
Strange timing indeed.
Who knows what Google would have done if it wasn't for the iPhone... they were sitting on Android since 2005.
I would feel better for Android if there were Android phones before the iPhone... and Android tablets before the iPad.
But there weren't. Apple jumpstarted this new mobile revolution. Everything afterwards... you decide.
No. Android did NOT copy iOS.
Everything you write is B.S.
I've no explanation but that's not true. Enough said.
/typicalDenial
That was the story! I knew someone would remember it.
Also not sure if anyone posted this yet but things look even worse for RIM:
http://gizmodo.com/5897602/rim-co+founder-jim-balsillie-steps-down-from-board
If any phone could compete with iPhone & Android, I think it could eventually be Windows 8 phone. But doubt at the numbers you are quoting. At most, a distant third, and it will take them a while to do that. They are just too late to the game to account for much at this time or even later. By the time Microsoft do catch up, Apple & Google will come out with something new and different.
I wasn't aware that RIM is making money. They are like MS in that they are planning on there being a market there for them late this year. I expect both of them to make a market blip and then disappear like Palm did with their WebOS.
MS does have deep pockets and they dug deep to keep the Xbox alive during the Red Ring of Death period. But I don't think it's matter of throwing money at the problem with the phone and tablet. Monkey boy needs to build a large safe ecosystem around the phone and tablet similar to what Apple has done. To some extent, it's a chicken-egg dilemma. In addition, Apple has made it very easy for consumers and enterprise to sync their MS Windows computers with iOS and that's removing the best compelling reason for Windows fans to switch off of iOS.
I understand your point. Since Apple is on their 5th and headed for the 6th version of iOS, they have showed a great intent to keep raising the bar. Apple is working on the next great thing while all the competitors, current and future, are kept in a constant state of catching up. WinMo7 hit the market with capabilities to match the first iPhone. WinMo8 may not even match the iPhone 4 in capabilities.
MS is counting on the "alleged" compatibility between the mobile and desktop devices. I think that will end up being more of a marketing statement than a reality for the vast portion of current Windows programs. Meanwhile Apple will have released their second generation of XOS that is designed to close the gap with iOS this summer. . . and Apple's plan may actually work tighter than MS's plan.
I expect to see a lot of advertising regarding Microsoft, but after the parade passes by so will the sales blip.
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I' just astounded...
...by the sheer ignorance some of you people are offering considering Windows Phone.
I casually use a Nokia Lumia 800 and I have to say that it's a pretty solid experience. The only thing really f'in me off is that retarded UTMS-bug. Nokia is about to adress it but currently there is a real battery issue with the Lumia.
Putting that aside I see the rest of the package and have to say that not only WP7 rocks but also the Nokia bundled apps are fantastic. Nokias turn-by-turn navigation simply is the next best thing to a dedicated device.
I haven't used Navigation in iOS recently, so could you please tell me if you can also use navigation OFFLINE? Yes - you can download and preinstall the Nokia Maps needed at home using your WiFi connection and then leave the phone offline for navigation (comes in pretty handy when going abroad and having no international roaming fees kick in).
So basically to everyone questioning WP7's quality I have to ask: What is your personal experience with it?
The Lumia is great. Fantastic display, great readability thanks to Metro (even without Retina resolution) and a dedicated hardware camera button (something that has always ticked me off on the iPhone). Despite the battery bug I have little to criticize.
...by the sheer ignorance some of you people are offering considering Windows Phone.
I casually use a Nokia Lumia 800 and I have to say that it's a pretty solid experience. The only thing really f'in me off is that retarded UTMS-bug. Nokia is about to adress it but currently there is a real battery issue with the Lumia.
Putting that aside I see the rest of the package and have to say that not only WP7 rocks but also the Nokia bundled apps are fantastic. Nokias turn-by-turn navigation simply is the next best thing to a dedicated device.
I haven't used Navigation in iOS recently, so could you please tell me if you can also use navigation OFFLINE? Yes - you can download and preinstall the Nokia Maps needed at home using your WiFi connection and then leave the phone offline for navigation (comes in pretty handy when going abroad and having no international roaming fees kick in).
So basically to everyone questioning WP7's quality I have to ask: What is your personal experience with it?
The Lumia is great. Fantastic display, great readability thanks to Metro (even without Retina resolution) and a dedicated hardware camera button (something that has always ticked me off on the iPhone). Despite the battery bug I have little to criticize.
Impressive that Apple is doing it with essentially one product, their own no less. Which means they are truly dominating the market. Android isn't really making a lot of phones these days, so their "share" is really that of various other manufacturers, running the IOS.
W7 has just started competing for its market-share. Wait until W8, Atom-low-powered phones. Microsoft market-share is growing silently.