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Android and iPhone Own Nearly The Entire U.S. Smartphone Market
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Yeah. Usual MS. A great product that received barely any marketing, and withered on the vine because of it.
Don't think it didn't sell because it was a crappy product. No. It didn't sell because no one knew about it. The handful of people who actually went out and bought one thought it was an excellent device top to bottom.
It's the same way with WP7. They had that heavy marketing push at first, but now? I just went to one of the local mobile stores to see if they had any iPad slips in stock, and all I saw were Androids, Blackberries, and iPhones. There wasn't a single Windows Phone on display. How do they expect to sell their phones when stores won't even put the things out on the shelves?
Here in Brazil almost every store is selling Nokia Lumias. I always tend to believe that american smartphone market share is very different to the rest of the world. Also, the rest of the world has a lot to expand in the smartphone market on the contrary of USA.
It is. Elsewhere, it seems people get this wonder option of being able to pick their phones separate from the carriers. Here? If you want a certain phone, you have to go with whichever carrier is offering it. Don't like that specific carrier? Tough! You either got to swallow your pride, or choose another phone. And what if you want a phone, but none of the carriers are offering it? Double tough. Choose another phone.
The cellphone market in the US is ass backwards, and not at all consumer friendly.
Most touch screens up until 2007 were resistive. They weren't as simple or presise (when using fingers) as a capacitive screen. The iPhone was the first major player to use capacitive screens, wasn't their invention. They just saw a technology ripen and took advantage. That's what they do best.
Bull of an argument. Android is still on top of the market, regardless of what phones they're on. And there are some phones which are selling like hotcakes. Not iPhone volume sales, but still a lot. Galaxy S2 for example?
A very low percentage of users care about that. Agreed, just like a low percentage of users care about jailbreaking. Rooting and hacks are a niche on any platform. The "Customisation" that people go on about with android is not about tweaking settings and things, it's about being able to build your home screens the way you like it. Set it up with the widgets and apps that you like for what you want. My android phone has a great experience, not quite as seemless integration with computers as an iPhone, but I much prefer my widgets and home screens compared to the grid of apps that you get on iOS. Apparently 40odd% of people agree with that?
I am not so sure about that. I remember Best Buy having a separate corner just for Zunes and Microsoft having some ads for it. I'd argue that it almost definitely got more marketing budget than any other non-iPod MP3 players by far.
The problem with Zune was that while it was nice, for most people there was not really any strong enough reason to buy it over iPod. Plus it was too costly and too iPod-like for those who were looking for likes of iRiver/Cowon/Archos. Sure you could say Zunepass and what nots, but at the end, it was just an attempt to bruteforce Apple's stronghold with a similar offering that failed.
In my opinion, Zune didn't sell well not because it was a crappy product or it didn't get marketing but rather its market position was weak compared to a strong incumbent and it didn't offer anything extraordinary enough to overcome that.
Watching Palm (which Steve at one time was reported interested in buying) shoot themselves in the foot (brain?) is probably one reason why Steve hated the idea of Mac OS licensing deals.
Palm had over 70% of the tablet market for years, as well as being the platform for the first big app store. The vast sinkhole that Palm and PalmGear left is one of the things that gave the Apple such a huge opportunity with the iPod Touch, App store, and iPad.
Expect to see WP7 to make a dent in those stats this year. Especially with the Lumia 900 coming out soon.
Let's stop with the boring stuff that has been discussed a billion times.
I am honestly amazed that the iPhone can maintain that kind of number when it is on only 4 carriers in the US (I believe). There are a ton of smaller carriers that are surely helping Android's numbers but the fact that just 4 (and still missing one of the big 4) carriers for the iPhone in the US can produce these numbers is nothing short of amazing.
I am honestly amazed that the iPhone can maintain that kind of number when it is on only 4 carriers in the US (I believe). There are a ton of smaller carriers that are surely helping Android's numbers but the fact that just 4 (and still missing one of the big 4) carriers for the iPhone in the US can produce these numbers is nothing short of amazing.
Android and iOS both technically existed in 2007... but only iOS (then called iPhone OS) was on a shipping product in customers hands at that time.
Android wasn't even formally announced until November of 2007... 11 months after Apple announced the iPhone.
And the first Android phone didn't go on sale until late 2008... 15 months after the first iPhone went on sale... and 21 months after that initial iPhone announcement.
I think when people see Windows 8, it's going to leave a sour taste in their mouths for Windows phones, fairly or not.
Android was originally developed for non-touch screens. Prototypes included buttons and not just a 3.5" screen.
I don't think iOS has anything to worry about MS
Most iPhone owners will continue to buy the next gen iPhone.
Apple consumers are loyal.
Most people that bought Android over a iPhone.is over price and they dont like Apple products and never will.
So I see MS phones taking a part of Andriod market-share then iPhones
Most iPhone owners will continue to buy the next gen iPhone.
Apple consumers are loyal.
Most people that bought Android over a iPhone.is over price and they dont like Apple products and never will.
So I see MS phones taking a part of Andriod market-share then iPhones
Agreed, 2012/2013 is going to be a critical time for Nokia and Microsoft.
They're throwing everything they've got at it. Even risking Windows to push Metro and WP.
They have to deliver with WP8 or they are done.
MANY things are stacked against WP7.
Apple has an ecosystem on them, iOS is more mature and has more features on WP7, more apps, more functions, it is IMO more elegant and better looking, works and is easier to use.
Basically WP7 has nothing on iOS, it is smoother and faster than Android but other than that, nothing on it either.
To go with WP7 you simply have to absolutely hate iOS and Android.
Yea, you guys have it very bad, carriers don't even unlock phones once the contract is over. That is ridiculous!
Is there an actual number on how many iPhone 4S' were sold since it's release?
I just want to compare it to the Galaxy S2, which sold over 20 million units since it's release in May. The 20 million figure was released in February, so it doesn't account for March, and it doesn't state if the sales figure is just North America or Worldwide.
I just want to compare it to the Galaxy S2, which sold over 20 million units since it's release in May. The 20 million figure was released in February, so it doesn't account for March, and it doesn't state if the sales figure is just North America or Worldwide.
Mechanical keyboard. It is the one thing that iOS will never have and for some people it is a must. I think there is room for tremendous growth in the U.S. smartphone market as most people don't have one and, basically, everyone could use one if they would just learn how to use it. Even grandma wants a smartphone, she just doesn't know it yet. Then assuming nearly everyone replaces their smartphone with a new one within three years, you have a really large and wide-open market. Now the investment in Apps may link you to an ecosystem permanently. But really, how much would it cost to replace your best Apps? Lots that you use are free and many cost a dollar. The games that you have played out don't have to make it to your next smartphone. The video that you have bought on iTunes has already been watched. The music can be transferred over or carried in a shuffle.
If Microsoft allows itself to be put on some interesting form factors, including ones with mechanical keyboards, they might have a shot at grabbing some of the smartphone holdouts. This would especially be the case if folks have learned how to use the system on Windows 8 and it gets presented as a seamless transition. The problem is that Windows 8 adoption is probably going to be too slow and late because the smartphone wars are happening now.
I still think Microsoft will carve out 10% of the market in a few years. Remember, this is basically an operating system that we are talking about here. They don't always get this right, but they sometimes do, so don't count them. The Zune was mainly a hardware move (the OS was simple on it) and not their sweet spot.
If Microsoft allows itself to be put on some interesting form factors, including ones with mechanical keyboards, they might have a shot at grabbing some of the smartphone holdouts. This would especially be the case if folks have learned how to use the system on Windows 8 and it gets presented as a seamless transition. The problem is that Windows 8 adoption is probably going to be too slow and late because the smartphone wars are happening now.
I still think Microsoft will carve out 10% of the market in a few years. Remember, this is basically an operating system that we are talking about here. They don't always get this right, but they sometimes do, so don't count them. The Zune was mainly a hardware move (the OS was simple on it) and not their sweet spot.
That 5% number for RIM is mind blowing. Has any company squandered/mis-managed a brand (in N America) worse than they have in the past 5 years? I cant think of one. Very sad as I WAS a 6 year BB owner
Sad in a way, but really DESERVED. Before the iPhone, the mobile phone industry sat around NOT innovating because they didn't have to. They kept providing crap phones with non-intuitive interfaces because it was "good enough". We suffered for years at their hands until Apple woke them up. They had all the opportunity in the world to research and develop high quality products and interfaces while enjoying huge marketshare. They chose not to.
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He's actually right on.
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It's pretty well established that Android was completely revamped as a direct result of the iPhone. So, yeah, they did copy iPhone OS.
Oh really?
Care to back that up with actual poof?
And don't whip out the tired pics of a BB style prototype since Android has been hardware agnostic since day 1.
We're talking OS, not hardware.