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Dumb. I am sure old people are very capable and would find a category called „Classical Music“ in the existing AM app themselves
Old people? The search functionality in Apple Music is a complete disaster when it comes to classical music so I welcome this as a separate app with its own database and search algorithms - as a not that old person that listens to classical music.
 
Can’t come soon enough. With the current Apple Music app it’s often impossible to even see what a track title is, let alone any details about it. For example, on the album of Elgar’s Enigma Variations all the titles are cut off on the iPhone, making it impossible to tell which track is which.
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Yeah it is the worst - complete mystery that this could be apple design...
 
If there will be a separate desktop app, I will be really interested. Composer, Conductor, Soloist, Accompanist, Orchestra, year of the performance/recording, etc, are all essential information that the current music App cannot fuly accommodate.
 
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I loves me some Apple Music sub … only because I get it free with Verizon… but I also used Apple Match which I think I don’t even need to pay for. Before this I was an early adopter of Google Music where you could upload anything to your library and still grandfathered into the old price.
I forgot about iTunes Match. It costs something like $25/yr, or included with Apple Music. I was one of the people who kept paying for iTunes Match for a year, despite having Apple Music, thinking it was not included (in case there are any more of you out there).

Calling it Apple Match kind of sounds like a dating app. :D
 
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What’s the market size for specialised classical music service? Will consumers be willing to pay extra for the improvement over AM’s implementation?
I will. I don’t do streaming now because it’s track-artist-album and classical just doesn’t work that way. Make it work for deep-cuts classical and I’ll subscribe in a minute.
 
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It's ridiculous to separate classical music from all other music. Pop music also has Composer field, genre, etc, I see no reason why classical music can't have their own additional tags and why existing Music app can't show and work with that meta information.
I’ve tried classical in the Apple world for decades. It’s a big bag of hurt, largely because until now decisions are apparently being made by those who don’t know how big a bag of hurt it is.
 
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I hope the new classical app is included with existing subscriptions. I also hope it somehow includes an enhanced volume algorithm. Listening to classical music for any length of time causes a lot of “is the music still playing” and “crap I need to turn that down.” I wouldn’t pay for this just to exist in its own app, but if it’s included I am excited. I like to have classical playing in the house.
 
Cool. I prefer better classical music in Apple Music, perhaps run by the gang at Primephonic, but a separate app is also good.

Maybe a good way to start liking classical is listening to radio stations playing it. CBC radio in Canada has "Tempo" and "About Time" to help newbies get some appreciation for classical music.
 
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I hope this reaches out to jazz as well. AM is really poor. Take a hint on Roon for example.
 
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I would seriously consider a subscription for the first time, if this is done right. It will be interesting to see, where Apple draws the border of classical music, since there is a lot of grey area: Crossover, film music, musicals...
Great point! Have you seen the app Concertino? It’s got a pretty expansive selection and organized by all manner of methods (period from medieval to 21st century—including film scores, composer, region) and a bunch of curated stations. I wonder if Apple’s will be along those same lines?
 
Apple purchased Primephonic last year, which was the best streaming service for classical music. The current implementation of apple music is just not good for classical music.
 
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Your question is reasonable. There are a few problems:
  • Classical music has composers that often were not the artist recorded. So asking for a composer may result in an alternate musician being presented. Often it's a rapper's stage name. That's not to be dismissive of the presented artist's musical ability, but a reflection of how the current system deprioritizes classical music.
  • A classical composer might have multiple recordings with different orchestras and conductors and the current system doesn't really have a good way to represent those differences.
  • The most listened-to classical songs come from soundtracks and compilations. Since many Classical songs are divided into modern consumable 'bites', even if you find a recording of a composer you were searching for, you are most likely to be presented a song fragment out of context of the entire work.

Then you have the 'other issues':
  • Classical isn't really a genre. Sure, other types of music can make a similar statement but with centuries between music, the differences in classical music are more pronounced.
  • Classical music tracks are often made from convenience or interpreted by the publisher and not a reflection of the composer's wishes. As a result, they require track names that don't fit on the screen without a lot of scrolling. Siri? She struggles with understanding Weeknd, she's never going to understand a paragraph of poorly spoken Italian.
  • A lot of classical music WAS pop music of its time. Just like modern celebrity feuds, there are relationships between classic music, but they aren't as intuitive to new listers. Right now there aren't good program notes so people might not realize that performance is actually a satire or response to an entirely different composer. In classical, just like other genres, you might have to listen to someone else's music to appreciate the next composition. But without words in songs to clearly reference the work, how would a new listener be expected to know this?

just my 2 cents.

I see your points too, so will be curious to see what Apple can come up with, even though I still find this approach of having three separate apps fragmented. The UI of Apple Music and Apple Podcasts apps are already inconsistent and they will be adding the third one to the mix? Let’s see when it’s out. ?
 
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I love classical and it’s definitely currently a pain to traverse this genre in the app. This will be very welcome.
 
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I see your points too, so will be curious to see what Apple can come up with, even though I still find this approach of having three separate apps fragmented. The UI of Apple Music and Apple Podcasts apps are already inconsistent and they will be adding the third one to the mix? Let’s see when it’s out. ?
Maybe they could make an Audio app that has an up-next feature similar to the TV app. That would allow each app to customize its UX for the content presented but still give the user a simplified single-consumption experience. I know for our house if it’s not integrated into Up-Next we forget we even have the streaming platform.
 
Something I discovered in the last year or two in the Apple Music app (not the service) is that you can group works together, and show individual movements.

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Barely a dent in what people want, but it's something.
 
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… I guess this explains why the Apple Music apps for iPhone and Mac have been so unattended. Classic Apple, do something, do something else and ignore the flaws with the thing before. Yuck. This is a nice opportunity to mention that Jobs would have done some things differently.
 
Not really, those aren’t services, although they do require the right hardware to use (and guess who sells that hardware). Classical music is it own little audio world with its own die-hard audience, not unlike podcasting, and Apple knows it can monetise it.
Technically Apple doesn’t sell Lossless capable devices apart from the Pro Max connected to with a cable and maybe some cabled Beats.
Well, technically technically iPhone, iPad and Mac speakers count, but no.
 
Technically Apple doesn’t sell Lossless capable devices apart from the Pro Max connected to with a cable and maybe some cabled Beats.
Well, technically technically iPhone, iPad and Mac speakers count, but no.
I was more talking about spatial audio as far as needing special hardware. Free lossless was just them putting the financial boots to Spotify.

I don't see them doing the classical music service for less than like $5 on top of Apple Music or $10 standalone.
 
don't get the point of making a separate app for classical music.

can you instead release a proper Apple Music app for Windows so we aren't stuck in 2003 having to use iTunes. Or at the very very least fix the web player so it doesn't log me out constantly, actually plays songs all the time, and streams at a high quality bitrate?

if Apple are serious about Apple Music they can't ignore Windows users. I will drop Spotify with 0 hesitation the day Apple give me a proper way to listen to AM on Windows. and no i'm not gonna just "go buy a mac". From what I hear the Apple Music app on macOS sucks so maybe they should be fixing that too.
:D all ways to use Apple Music suck ?. The iOS App is worse than the Mac app, which is terrible. Continuity of features is a sht show, too. There are few things that get me mad like Apple Music does.
[rant incoming, don’t waste your time]
Also, the fact that Apple ****** dares to touch the music in my library stinks. One version of a song is replaced by another, without any notice. Somebody’s Watching Me from the original album was removed and replaced with some other version, for example. Sometimes entire albums are replaced by the same songs from compilations and best off albums, stupid sht. Some 30-50 songs in my 2k song library have been changed, I hate it and haven’t even found them all yet. Some with sound wise inferior versions. Other songs aren’t being changed, but censored. It’s impossible to get some classic hip hop tracks without weird noises for every time someone mentions crime or drugs. I look at it as censorship of historical records. Are we still acting as if there have never been ghettos in the US? My music ain’t your business, Cupertino. Screw Apple Music for stuff like this.
 
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