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How does a closed OS prevent Apple from making cheaper phones and distributing them to more carriers? It doesn't. It's simply a choice by Apple unrelated to "open v closed".

It doesn't prevent Apple from offering it, but to turn this 100% around. How does iOS being Closed allow other manufacturers to present offerings at competitive prices, with innovative or affordable features to compete with Apple's devices also running iOS?

It is fully 100% open versus closed, and it is clear we won't agree on this so I will await your final word and leave it at that.
 
What??? Sigh.
Unless you are selling at a loss, more sales = more profit. You can argue that profit % may be lower but the "math" you are proposing... :rolleyes:

His "math" seemed reasonable to me. You can sell more phones and decrease profits if your margins decrease to do it. Apple actually did that exact thing last quarter year over year.
 
Agreed 100%. It amazes me that you'll still hear Android users talking about having to "wipe their phones and start over". I had a Motorola Droid X for a year and a half before I finally regained my sanity and came back to the iPhone.

The not so funny thing is that "wipe and reload" was the "solution" for many random problems that happened with Android back when I was running Gingerbread; and it's still the solution many times today. Listen to one of the many Android podcasts and it won't be long before you hear, "I had to wipe and reload my phone this weekend and it feels like I got a brand new phone again -- it's so fast!"

I'm sorry, I am a small business owner and my cell phone is my primary means of communication -- not a toy. Forgive me if I don't want to have to wipe and reload my phone once a quarter just because the phone suddenly slows to a crawl, doesn't want to accept calls, reboots randomly, or suddenly won't launch an app that's worked fine hundreds of times before.

As long as this constant "wipe and reload" nonsense continues with Android, many people will put up with Android and foolishly believe that "wipe and reload" is just par for the course with any smartphone just like they're used to doing with their computer.

Actually - and this is my major gripe with Android - there seems to be an ever growing memory leak in your standard MessagesApp. Usually it shouldn't be a problem to have hundreds of SMS on your device (as they are relatively small). Nevertheless it really helps with speed to once in a while delete these old conversations - oh, and to wipe the browser cache.

Yep - point taken.

Considering the other problems (like random lost of contact info) I really don't see the point in people not opting in to keep their Google account syncronized OTA.
 
As an ex iPhone user, this isn't surprising as there are far more hardware options with Android. But if Apple plays its cards right, I may be returning with the iPhone 5S. I love the versatility of Android, but there's nothing as smooth as the iPhone.
 
Check back in Q1 2014 for the real news. :)

Not surprising given all the new and old Android phones.

My wife is still running her Android phone from 4 years ago, so yeah it doesn't surprise it. And yeah, it sucks. Crashes all the time.
 
The device markets will reach the same sort of equilibrium as Mac OS vs Windows. The educated and more affluent (which are a distinct minority) will make up the bulk of Apple customers while the drooling masses will remain in the Windows/Android camp.

It is what it is....$$$ and IQ.

I agree, the world's richest man is using Mac OS!

....

If you had made an argument that artists predominately were and are using Apple desktops, then I would have agreed. But $$$ and IQ? lol
 
Not at all. Those that need a portable computer to actually work on would have a phablet or iPad mini. They wouldn't hold either up to their ear to talk..oh yeah..Android users do that.

And sorry, but talking on the phone still is a big thing. Otherwise all these people walking down the street must be talking to themselves.

I've got an iPhone, and an iPad. I can use both for many of the same things, but yes, for reading books, as an example, I choose the iPad. I wouldn't want to have to hold the iPad to my ear to talk to someone.

If today's kids need such 'big damn phones', then perhaps someone should look into the sudden vision problems of our children, rather than sit around carping about how a small screen sucks, or blows so hard.

There is a point where too big is too damn big, and manufacturing all of the 'hey Android is cool' isn't going to sell phones that look more like weapons or S&M props than phones.

I wouldn't hold an iPad mini to my ear. I'd look stupid... These 'BIG DAMN SCREENS' are getting nearly that big.

It's silly!
 
If you take a look at the emerging markets, lets say the Indian market

The smartphones being sold cost about $99 US, they have no GPS, 256K memory, not even 3G, barley a data plan at all, more like a super texter, oh and running Android

Yet they are Smartphones, just not that smart. Have you seen the population of India lately ?

With smartphones like that swamping the numbers worldwide you need to take IDC's numbers with a large pinch of salt. National numbers are more important and the only decent facts are from Apple
 
So for every person who bought an iPhone, more than 6 people bought an Android phone.

That is staggering, considering that the iPhone is Apple's main cash cow.

Pretty sure apple made more cash selling that one iPhone than any of the six android phones did. Were you trying to make another point? You can try again if you'd like?
 
Don't fool yourselves. People are jumping ship from Apple because of screen size alone. Everyone in our family except grandma has left apple for a bigger screen and that is it. Apple is seriously screwing themselves here.

And, yet, the pesky facts are that more people are jumping to the iPhone than away from the iPhone. Strange how your family doesn't represent the entire world.

It doesn't prevent Apple from offering it, but to turn this 100% around. How does iOS being Closed allow other manufacturers to present offerings at competitive prices, with innovative or affordable features to compete with Apple's devices also running iOS?

I have no idea what you are getting at here. Sorry. I didn't say anything of the sort. :)

It is fully 100% open versus closed, and it is clear we won't agree on this so I will await your final word and leave it at that.

How could it be "fully 100% open versus closed" if we both agree that Apple would gain significant market share by simply making a cheap version of the iPhone and distributing it more widely?
 
At the end of the day it's the app stores that must be compared. Apple's App Store still makes developers a lot more money than Google's Play Store. Not only that, but developers, which are mostly independent and small, cannot support a myriad of devices. If their resources only allow them to support 1 platform, it's obvious they will choose iOS. Additionally, big developers like the fact that iOS is mature, stable and better controlled, giving them confidence to develop for iOS first. Lastly, accessories which are made for Apple's few devices that are impossible to make for all Android devices, therefore Android devices lack third-party accessories outside of chargers and headsets that are independent of the device's shape.
 
So for every person who bought an iPhone, more than 6 people bought an Android phone.

That is staggering, considering that the iPhone is Apple's main cash cow.

Yup. For every person who bought an iphone, more than 6 people bought an android phone. I'll give you a minute to figure out why your statement is meaningless.
 
I'm in the same boat. Have had iPhone since the original came out, but just got bored with iOS. Lots of my friends were moving away from iOS to Android and I never saw the reason why but eventually yeah, just grew tired of iOS so I sold my iPhone last week and picked up a HTC One. I now understand why Android is so popular, I love it!

Not saying I won't go back to iPhone, it just will take a lot more than what iOS7 and the current iPhone design to tempt me.
 
So for every person who bought an iPhone, more than 6 people bought an Android phone.

That is staggering, considering that the iPhone is Apple's main cash cow.

$99 =

Screen Size : 7.11 cms
OS Name : Android Gingerbread
Processor : 1GHz
Rear Camera Resolution : Digital Camera
Battery Capacity : 1280 mAh
Connectivity Options : 2,0
GPS : No

thats the volume smartphone in the WORLD
 
The more relevant question is:

Since when has IDC ever been accurate in its guesstimates?
 
Yup. For every person who bought an iphone, more than 6 people bought an android phone. I'll give you a minute to figure out why your statement is meaningless.

You might have to give him more than a minute, he said it with such conviction lol
 
I think Apple is in a better position than articles like this tend to paint.

That being said... with any manufacture... Apple included... the phone market is a very fluid market. There is always a group of people who have had their phone for a year or two and are ready to upgrade. Every S4 customer will eventually buy something else in 3 years (or less) so it's just important for Apple to keep fresh and keep the iPhone significant.

Apple does have a couple big advantages... one is of course iOS... and the other is Apple support and customer service. Try going to the Samsung store or HTC store for help or a replacement phone. At least with Apple, in most markets I can visit a store and get help beyond what phone carrier provides. Such as the money saving "out of warrantee" replacement program when you dump your phone in water.
 
I am sure there is a Marketing 101 reason why they feel they need to do it, but I think the strict schedules should have been phased out as this new management took over.
It makes sense with phones and their contracts. I only buy phones off-contract though so the base hardware price is what matters to me not the subsidized one. My next phone will probably be something under $299 from Bluproducts but that makes me wary for updates. I'll look at the Nexus 4 if it sticks around for much longer.

I'd love to get a new notebook before I go on vacation. Right now it looks like I'll be carrying my 6 year old Macbook for even longer.
 
But the sales numbers went up. And they made most of the profit. And practically no one returns an iPhone after they buy it, and every iPhone is a smart phone...should I keep going?

Sure, please continue to spin
 
How does a closed OS prevent Apple from making cheaper phones and distributing them to more carriers? It doesn't. It's simply a choice by Apple unrelated to "open v closed".

It prevents Apple from being able to distribute the type of scale that would bee needed or that could be achieved with "opening" the OS to more manufactures...

In any given year several Android Manufactures release several phones in hundreds of countries.... Apple only releases 1 to hundreds of companies... because they are "closed"
 
That's not guaranteed. Apple can't keep selling inferior hardware for inflated prices. People are not going to buy iPhones if they have lower specs than, say, Samsung Galaxy phones and higher prices. .

Exactly because everybody that goes into a cell phone store to buy a smartphone insists on the 3Ghz i7 phone with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD because they need to run Photoshop on it. :rolleyes:
 
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