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Exactly because everybody that goes into a cell phone store to buy a smartphone insists on the 3Ghz i7 phone with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD because they need to run Photoshop on it. :rolleyes:
How about $299 without a contract? Now if the budget iPhone is that much, I'll have to consider it.
 
People don't choose Android smartphones at the low-end on their £15 free phone contracts - they just get given one. Many will use it as a dumbphone or perhaps put Facebook on it at most. I notice many casual Android users don't even have email set up on their phone.

A better comparison would be to isolate the the mid and upper tiers where Apple at least offers products.
 
It prevents Apple from being able to distribute the type of scale that would bee needed or that could be achieved with "opening" the OS to more manufactures...

No, it doesn't. :confused: There is nothing about a closed OS that prevents Apple from increasing their manufacturing capacity.

In any given year several Android Manufactures release several phones in hundreds of countries.... Apple only releases 1 to hundreds of companies... because they are "closed"

No, it's a choice that Apple makes that has nothing to do with "closed".
 
$99 =

Screen Size : 7.11 cms
OS Name : Android Gingerbread
Processor : 1GHz
Rear Camera Resolution : Digital Camera
Battery Capacity : 1280 mAh
Connectivity Options : 2,0
GPS : No

thats the volume smartphone in the WORLD

What I find amazing that these new phones are still getting an OS that is over two years old with no chance of an update.
 
Shipped versus sold? What is the actual Total Addressable Market? Are Android phones being replaced year after year? Multiple times here year? How many total Android users are being added to the market each year not counting upgrades of existing android phones?

I see carriers in Canada practically giving away android phones. I also see crappy ISP's trying to give away Samsung tablets in exchange for signing up for a contract.

What is the actual size of the userbase? What is the actual size of the userbase actively engaged in buy/using apps?
 
Of course, When you can buy an Android phone for $85 and the iPhone costs $600, it is easy to see why more people buy the Adroid.

Yes $85. My son just bought a pre-paid plan with an Adroid phone. He bought the phone outright, no contract, from Amazon.com for $85

If Apple wants market share they will have to get the prices down. But maybe they don't want market share and living with 10% is OK.

Same applies to Apple Macs. They are high-end computers and of course the cheap $400 notebooks outsell Macs. I think that is Apple's plan not to compete at the low end

It's ANdroid, not ADroid OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE SO CLEVER
 
Apple has repeated "We just want to make great products". They say "winning has never been about having the most".

And here comes the budget iPhone.

What does that tell you?

That tells me that they will kill to have an 80% marketshare, but since they can't, they come up with excuses like "we don't really want to win".
They don't want to win my a..!
 
For you to ask this question, I am very doubtful that you are a developer, or at least not a skilled one.

I have been developing iOS applications commercially for over three years. How did you come to your (incorrect) conclusion? As the market share diminishes, surely the demand for iOS development will also shrink, and it will be harder to find jobs [at the rates I am used to]. That is my concern.
 
Exactly because everybody that goes into a cell phone store to buy a smartphone insists on the 3Ghz i7 phone with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD because they need to run Photoshop on it. :rolleyes:

Hell, what is needed is a phone that has a 64-core processor that runs at 100GHz with a 4K 24" screen. Now that would be one hell of a phone.
 
That tells me that they will kill to have an 80% marketshare, but since they can't, they come up with excuses like "we don't really want to win".
They don't want to win my a..!

Yea, Apple is making excuses all the way to the bank.
 
No, it doesn't. :confused: There is nothing about a closed OS that prevents Apple from increasing their manufacturing capacity.



No, it's a choice that Apple makes that has nothing to do with "closed".

What definition of "closed" are we using? Apple and OSX and iOS are considered "closed" because it is only developed by Apple and used on hardware created by Apple....iOS source code is not made available to other manufactures for them to tinker with and do what they want... they are "closed" by choice... that is how they choose to do business...

Android is "open" because not only to they use open source code, but they also "freely" distribute that code to other manufactures for their own use with their own hardware... open...

Because Apple is "closed" they are limited in their resources to produce a phone or set of phones at the same rate as multiple Android partners releasing the same OS on multiple phones... it is not a hard limit, because like you say.. they COULD match the distribution of Android... but they wont because it would cost them too much to do so... HOWEVER if they allowed other manufactures to use their resources (financial capital or human capital) then they COULD match the scale of android... at little cost to them...

Both "open" and "closed" are not hard limits...
 
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Just a general statement since it seems to echo the sentiments of this board:

Not everyone who buys Android is poor
Not everyone who buys Android gets a cheap phone
Not everyone who buys Android is only because iPhone isn't available
Not everyone who buys Android wishes they were using something else
Not everyone who buys Android thought they were buying an iPhone but somehow got tricked into getting Android

I, along with many friends and family, actively selected Android as their smartphone with plenty of options viable and available, including the iPhone.

It's very offensive and elitist to say, let alone infer, that buying Android means that it's primarily because you are low on the social scale.
 
Don't worry guys; Iphone 5s and 5c will turn things around.

Tim Cook 2013

Don't worry guys; iphone 6 and 6c will turn things around.

Tim Cook 2014

Don't worry guys; iphone 7 will turn things around.

New Apple CEO

What is there to turn around though? Marketshare is falling because the overall market is being saturated by low-end, low-cost android phones running an OS thats 2+ years old. iPhone sales have continued to increase like for like, quarter to quarter since launch.

These kinds of stats are only put out to make Android look good, when in reality, after all it's business, Apple is taking 50%+ of all the money made in the smartphone market, with just just 13% of marketshare, and next year it will likely be a continued increase in sales, 50%+ of profits of all smartphone sales with 10% marketshare. So in effect, even better performance than now. Tim deserves a bonus, not hate.
 
You know what is hilarious about this? I was just watching Steve Job's 2008 keynote when he introduced the Air and Time Capsule to the world... (to get ready for one of my upcoming speeches - Jobs has legendary delivery).

At one point he talked about the iPhone's success... after just being released for 90 days- They had taken 20% of the market. The 3 key manufacturers behind Apple combined for 20% as well, with 'others' taking the last 20%.
Oh yea, I'm missing 40%... the market leaders - RIM!

Can you believe it? Blackberry claimed 40% marketshare. Runaway leaders.

And now they're at 3%! Holy Macaroni of cheesy hell! how the might have fallen.
 
We are either speaking out of turn, or commenting on the wrong point that each of us is attempting to make ;) .

I will try to clarify later when I am not trying to head out the door! :eek:

No problem! To be clear my point was that Android's current market share advantage is primarily the result of cheaper phones and wider distribution. They have these advantages not because Android is open, but because Apple has chosen to milk the profits from the high end of the market.

Apple could have very easily released the iPhone to all carriers at more price points and significantly increased their market share. At the expense of margins and profits.

The key (and important) exception to my argument is China, but that's another debate. :)
 
What I find amazing that these new phones are still getting an OS that is over two years old with no chance of an update.

BS, barely any current models (and have been for at least this year) have android 2.3 , even the cheap chinese ones all have 4.x

Reflects in market share 60% 4.x 40% 2.3

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$99 =

Screen Size : 7.11 cms
OS Name : Android Gingerbread
Processor : 1GHz
Rear Camera Resolution : Digital Camera
Battery Capacity : 1280 mAh
Connectivity Options : 2,0
GPS : No

thats the volume smartphone in the WORLD

Oh please

http://venturebeat.com/2013/07/08/navigating-android-device-market-share-for-june-2013/

Android-device-market-share-june-2013.png


Add up whats listed (excluding the y wich is what you descrive) and you get 38%

Hell every cheap chinese one is better then that.
 
BS, barely any current models (and have been for at least this year) have android 2.3 , even the cheap chinese ones all have 4.x

Reflects in market share 60% 4.x 40% 2.3

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Oh please

http://venturebeat.com/2013/07/08/navigating-android-device-market-share-for-june-2013/

Image

Add up whats listed (excluding the y wich is what you descrive) and you get 38%

Hell every cheap chinese one is better then that.
I find it amazing that every Chinese Android phone I see pop up in my RSS feed has the latest version of Android (4.x) possible but I check out the local Fry's ad and nearly all the budget phones are running 2.2/2.3.
 
What definition of "closed" are we using? Apple and OSX and iOS are considered "closed" because it is only developed by Apple and used on hardware created by Apple....iOS source code is not made available to other manufactures for them to tinker with and do what they want... they are "closed" by choice... that is how they choose to do business...

Android is "open" because not only to they use open source code, but they also "freely" distribute that code to other manufactures for their own use with their own hardware... open...

Doesn't matter to me. That definition will work.

Because Apple is "closed" they are limited in their resources to produce a phone or set of phones at the same rate as multiple Android partners releasing the same OS on multiple phones... it is not a hard limit, because like you say.. they COULD match the distribution of Android... but they wont because it would cost them too much to do so... HOWEVER if they allowed other manufactures to use their resources (financial capital or human capital) then they COULD match the scale of android... at little cost to them...

Both "open" and "closed" are not hard limits...

I'm not sure what you think I disagree with here.
 
What is there to turn around though? Marketshare is falling because the overall market is being saturated by low-end, low-cost android phones running an OS thats 2+ years old. iPhone sales have continued to increase like for like, quarter to quarter since launch.

These kinds of stats are only put out to make Android look good, when in reality, after all it's business, Apple is taking 50%+ of all the money made in the smartphone market, with just just 13% of marketshare, and next year it will likely be a continued increase in sales, 50%+ of profits of all smartphone sales with 10% marketshare. So in effect, even better performance than now. Tim deserves a bonus, not hate.

Bonus?

chart-of-the-day-oem-profits.jpg


http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-smartphone-industry-profit-share-2013-7

Apple needs to get a grip on the market. It sells an eco system, one that increasingly is getting passed by and overlooked. It cannot afford to be pushed into a corner, if 90+% of the market doesnt use apple apps they are largely useless.
 
Customer satisfaction was recently higher with some of the Galaxy phones, so it's not as unilateral as it might seem. Market share is still a multiplicative factor in profits.

Then divide that profit by the amount of different manufactures that use Android.
 
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