Pay more? Compared to what? GS4? Same exact price. Yea sure it's got better specs, and that's the sad part. Android has to be on better specs to be on par with the responsiveness of ios.
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Android Dominates Nearly 80% of Smartphone Market, iOS Drops to 13% Share
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Pay more? Compared to what? GS4? Same exact price. Yea sure it's got better specs, and that's the sad part. Android has to be on better specs to be on par with the responsiveness of ios.
The iPhone 5 failed.
Someone made a poll a few days ago asking which iPhone had the best launch. iPhone 4 won. rightly so. When that thing came out it was miles ahead of competition - similar to when the original iPhone came out. That's what it looks like when a company wants to WIN. Want to see what that looks like now? See Samsung, see Nokia, see HTC. They're putting skin into the game.
In contrast, the iPhone 5 not only looks like the iPhone 4, it is functionally indifferent. I know someone who bought the iPhone 5 outright, only to return it a week later and went back to his iPhone 4 ("it doesnt do anything more")...
Kind of disappointing - it's their main profit centre and yet Apple isn't pedal-to-the-metal with it. iOS 7 should have come out when iOS 6 came out. Their 2 year lead against Android not only disappeared, it's been surpassed. It's like they stopped working when iOS 4 came out and snoozed right until iOS 7.
Now the rumors of iPhone 5s dont show any real upgrades over the iPhone 5. Seems like they are still snoozing. Yes, they're just rumors. But Apple's track record at keeping rumors is also slipping.
I have an iPhone 4s, and it doesnt look like I'll hand Apple my money for an iPhone 5S.
Bring back Apple ala 2010.
Someone made a poll a few days ago asking which iPhone had the best launch. iPhone 4 won. rightly so. When that thing came out it was miles ahead of competition - similar to when the original iPhone came out. That's what it looks like when a company wants to WIN. Want to see what that looks like now? See Samsung, see Nokia, see HTC. They're putting skin into the game.
In contrast, the iPhone 5 not only looks like the iPhone 4, it is functionally indifferent. I know someone who bought the iPhone 5 outright, only to return it a week later and went back to his iPhone 4 ("it doesnt do anything more")...
Kind of disappointing - it's their main profit centre and yet Apple isn't pedal-to-the-metal with it. iOS 7 should have come out when iOS 6 came out. Their 2 year lead against Android not only disappeared, it's been surpassed. It's like they stopped working when iOS 4 came out and snoozed right until iOS 7.
Now the rumors of iPhone 5s dont show any real upgrades over the iPhone 5. Seems like they are still snoozing. Yes, they're just rumors. But Apple's track record at keeping rumors is also slipping.
I have an iPhone 4s, and it doesnt look like I'll hand Apple my money for an iPhone 5S.
Bring back Apple ala 2010.
Completely true. You've never used a cheap android device if you think otherwise. The flagship devices are not to be compared to those. As for Google Play support, yea def inferior.
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iPhone 5 didn't fail. Failure would mean no one bought it. Yet, it's the most successful iphone in sales so how did it fail?
Maybe it is because I live in Connecticut... but when I look around any room (and I do this pretty much anywhere I go) the market share of iPhones far exceeds that of any other phone. Just a personal observation...
A little off topic but when people talk about iPhone being for old people, my high school students almost exclusively own or wish to own iPhones. I know there is a big world out there so this must not be the case everywhere... such as places where the iPhone is not available.
A little off topic but when people talk about iPhone being for old people, my high school students almost exclusively own or wish to own iPhones. I know there is a big world out there so this must not be the case everywhere... such as places where the iPhone is not available.
That is because of these reasons:
1. Apple has a retail presence and the best customer satisfaction.
2. Apple has great marketing.
3. Apple was the first smartphone.
That is why people want an iphone. The iphone itself sucks.
Are you a stock holder? If yes, okay I understand your concern. If not, I don't understand your objection. Apple have always prided themselves in making the best product they can, not the product that everyone seems to want at the time. This has worked out well for them in the past (iPod/iPhone/iPad/No Floppy/No disc drive). Huge screens on a phone is both a fad and ridiculous. Kind of like tight rolled jeans.
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Sounds like sound reasoning. Great company. Great service. Awful product. Huge sales... can you support this with anything other than your opinion? Are there other any awful products that sell so well just because it was the first? Please give examples.
I believe that one day we will move to a way of seeing market share that doesn't factor in huge quantities of phones sitting in a warehouse somewhere.
So, if Apple sold one iPhone 5 that would have meant that it wasn't a failure? Since one person did actually buy it...
Considering that the smart phone market is expanding, I wouldn't use the fact that it's the most successful iPhone in sales as an argument for its success. Previous iPhone models captured a higher percentage of high end smart phone sales.
To show the error in your argument. Consider unemployment and the fact that most countries have a growing population. A politician argues that his party should be re-elected because there more people employed today than when the his party won the last election. But in reality the percentage who is unemployed have gone up and the only reason that more people are working is due to the growing population.
Not surprising. I'm guessing a lot of people are like myself; I paid $40 for a Virgin Mobile Android phone. It runs 2.3, no room for more than a few apps, is more than bit slow, absolutely **** battery life, etc.
But all of that is mostly unimportant. It makes calls, texts, browses the web at a reasonable pace, and I can play Doodle Jump. That's all that really matters.
This is the average Android customer. Not someone looking for the best experience. Market share speaks nothing to quality or desirability. Maybe that is why Apple keeps winning design awards and Google/Samsung/100s of no name android phone makers does not.
And as a non stock holding consumer, why is this important?
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Probably the most sensible post in the thread.
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And this is important to the consumer because?
I agree that Apple provides this superior experience. But they do that for the Mac as well. But that didn't change the fact that Windows has owned the PC market for two decades. Apple will always be more profitable than other smartphone makers but I don't think iPhone users will be happy with just 10-20% market share.
But also you need to factor is available models. If I have 200 different models to present to people at different price points and someone else has 3 models at different price points, statistically who will sell more?
I would love to see exact Galaxy S4 figures compared directly to iPhone 5 figures. But we all can't get exact figures from companies so this argument is moot. At least Apple distinguishes mobile from everything else. Samsung is one big guessing game (but keep believing what the analysts estimate).
I do buy and sell Apple shares yes but I'm not looking at things as a shareholder. I'm looking at things as an Apple fan and a customer.
I simply don't agree that Apple are divorced from the market in the way you describe. The iPod was a great product but it was also the product that everyone wanted at the time. Same goes for the iPad and iPhone, which is why people queued around the block to buy them.
Huge screens are not a fad. Love them or hate them they are very popular. I honestly don't see the problem with Apple offering two versions of the iPhone - one with a 4" screen and one with a 4.7" or 5" screen. It's no different to making more than one size MBA or MBP. Nobody complains about that.
I'm happy with it as long as they keep making the best product. I agree though. Other iPhone users (especially ones on forums like this) are not ever going to be happy (neither will the android users that continue to spend all their time on Apple forums (I don't know any Apple users that troll Android/Windows forums... (how many sets of parentheses can I use?))).
No.. I just know that statistics are often unreliable and used in deceiving ways. In this case there are even smartphones that most people wouldn't consider very smart in the mix. This skews data. I would rather compare apples to apples (or oranges to oranges so I am not labelled an Apple koolaide drinker). What are the numbers of android smartphones that have complete smartphone capabilities? Android is a very differentiated operated system. Some do not have features that others do.
I've seen phones labeled as smartphones that I would say are more like clever functioning dumbphones.
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Point taken. I agree that more options would not be a bad thing... I am just frustrated that I read the same article every week on this website, "Apple is falling behind," "Apple is failing," "Apple will soon be the Apple of 1995"
And? That's a business decision. In any case, compared to the top non Apple smart phone of that time, I can't see any other iPhone model doing worse than the 5. Can you?
As of March 2013, Samsung had sold 50 million of the S3, that's 10 months after it was released.
Apple, on the other hand, stopped releasing numbers on how many iPhone 5 that had been sold after it reported that 5 million had been sold during the first three day. (And it did the same for the 4S.)
You should ask Apple why it's not willing to give out any further numbers on iPhone 5 sales.
It's another metric as arbitrary as market share. Why does Joe Consumer care about most shipped (again not most sold, or most money made). I think the best metric is most used but we only get snide comments about how Apple are trying to push that aspect of "market" share.
Quarter after quarter Android market share rises, but they really don't sell any of those phones. They make over 100 million phones a year and don't sell any of them. I can't imagine anyone believes this.
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The average consumer doesn't care about any of that either.
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Why does a consumer care about how much profit a company makes?
Market share is completely irrelevant. Sales numbers are what counts. How do you propose that Apple's profits are affected if a gazillion people switch from a cheap feature phone to an equally cheap "smartphone"? Apple sales are still growing.
This is like Mercedes' marketshare in the "motorized vehicle market" in China dropping, because millions sell their bicycle and buy a moped.
Not arguing they don't sell any, just than shipped numbers are never usage numbers.
If a market is experiencing a 150% growth and your product only achieves a 3% growth, would you still be happy about that? I mean, you are still selling more products.
And no, this isn't just about "cheap smart phones".